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Pre-determined win rates based on previous games

(@matootina)
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Hey guys, do you think online slots are programmed to "regulate" winnings by giving dead spins and small wins after "big" wins? or is it still random??

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Last Sunday, June 24, PG Soft games were giving big wins, frequent bonuses that gave like 500xbet.. it lasted for about 4-5 hours.. and after that, the games were back to how they were again - like hard-to-hit bonuses, so much dead spins, small wins, etc.. anyway, maybe you have some thoughts about this to help me, at least understand more..?

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Posted : 27/06/2024 6:27 am
wuuzy
(@wuuzy)
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That can be for small providers. Like pgsoft and others ( i can not say pgsoft so small but its so small than pragmatic and hacksaw) But its reality of gamble. We will always lose...

 
Posted : 27/06/2024 11:36 am
degerardo99
(@degerardo99)
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It needs to keep RTP to loose at the end. So, obvioisly, you hit big, hit bonuses, it will all have to makes up somehow to fit into RTP, hit frequency, bonus frequency, features frequency...etc. especially in long terms.?

 
Posted : 27/06/2024 7:33 pm
(@grapes)
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Very unlikely, why would they do it, they allready have the edge. If get caught with something like that, no one will ever trust you anymore and you screwed yourself basically out of a money printing machine because you got greedy.

 
Posted : 28/06/2024 3:25 pm
(@Anonymous 18515)
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@matootina sometimes I get maxwin if my balance is low. but the point is that our luck is playing only for entertainment with small bets

 
Posted : 28/06/2024 4:37 pm
(@matootina)
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@wuuzy, you mean there's still that chance somehow that providers do dirty tricks and shouldn't be trusted?

 
Posted : 28/06/2024 5:08 pm
(@matootina)
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@degerardo99 olrtytee.. got this..

 
Posted : 28/06/2024 5:09 pm
(@matootina)
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@grapes i wasn't talking about greed mate. i was just wondering why something like that can happen - when a certain provider gives that much simultaneously in many online casinos, coz i spent hours playing, not just in one platform.. and it made me think that providers can program win rates in such a way that they would let players get the big wins... and it wasn't me by the way, because the next day, somebody posted that PG did gave out big wins on that same period... and it made me doubt on the "randomness" that casinos claim.. that's why i asked.

 
Posted : 28/06/2024 5:15 pm
(@matootina)
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@mulya , i don't do big bets because i stick to the amount i can afford to lose... i just got curious now because of that one time thing when PG gave out big wins across the country. i guess it's safe to say that there was not RTP or RNG factor there, because articles about online slots say that each game played by different players simultaneously is unique and can have different outcomes..?

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Posted : 28/06/2024 5:19 pm
(@Anonymous 18515)
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@matootina that's how the RNG (random number generator) works, aka random, essentially it's luck that works. but the casino still wins. So when we compete among 100 players, only 4 people win (are we in the 4th position? Yes, that's called gambling). Life is a bet and I enjoy it and it's true that we bet only what we are ready to lose.

 
Posted : 29/06/2024 3:44 am
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(@grapes)
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@matootina Arent you implying they might be cheating people out of money? If its not random then they would be able to let people win who they can chose themself. Which I deem very unlikely.

 
Posted : 29/06/2024 2:29 pm
degerardo99
(@degerardo99)
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Different providers have different "rules" set to the games. The meet for RTP, features frequency, bonus frequency, xWin frequency... all have to line up with set of reels stripes.

If you have say 16 symbols in the game(including scatters, wilds...whatever, all symbols) with say 6x4 reel grid and bonus frequency 1in150 spins, it have to be pre-set in the game to keep it up within the range. Then, if you hit 3 bonuses in 150 spins, the RTP and Bonus frequency needs to make it back up to stats, thereofee you cannot keep the same momentum of every 50 spins forever. Then it will spread bonus frequrncy to maybe 1in200, or 1in300, to make it up. Same goes opposite way as well, but at the very end you end up somewhere within the stats. Keep in mind that stats are a life time possibility of spins(billions simulated spins).

Same goes for wins as well. Im 1000% sure if you play one game of any provider for 1 month constant (1 month is so small number of spins anyway) you will be in minus.?

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Posted : 29/06/2024 4:07 pm
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(@matootina)
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@grapes , this makes sense. Thank you

 
Posted : 29/06/2024 4:50 pm
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(@andre_jarr)
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Each slot is checked by betting organizations by making millions of spins before it is released.

 
Posted : 29/06/2024 11:06 pm
(@gargakev)
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Most slot providers use a Pseudo-RNG (means it’s encrypted data that can not be read unless you are the provider themself or got the needs to do so from the provider directly)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudorandom_number_generator

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essentially it’s a private or server seed which ensures a RTP of XYZ usually 94-96 % (whatever rtp model the casino have for set country) this seed is different depending on country you are playing from as there is different requirements on minimum RTP depending on country. And some are global seeds and some are individual depends on the providers own setup.

if the games are instead hosted on the casinos own server instead of the providers server (MGM casinos do not allow that while cura?ao does allow some of their clients to run some providers on their own game servers…) those are the ones you wanna be careful of - where provider could essentially put 88 % RTP or manipulate the seed to the better or the worse.

Most RTP models are based of the standard 100 million spins so it can go cold 🥶 and hot 🥵 and bounce up and down between the profit/non profit but in the end you will always have lost if you continue ensuring profit for the provider that just get a cut of the house edge…

some of that house edge cut goes to the provider (I think around 5 % of the house edge goes to provider that made the game each spin… this number is closer to 15-25 % for every spin in evolution as they got dealer costs and cameras etc etc) hope that makes sense.

all in all they do not need to rig it as the model is made to ensure profits for the casinos and provider ; they get their cut every spin you make not depending on what you win or lose.

 
Posted : 30/06/2024 9:46 am
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