Dead Reckoning – Open Thread #1

The longest 364 days of your life are finally over.

Throw some food at your kids, call your boss with a highly questionable excuse at the ready, and tell your hubby to expect no sense whatsoever from you for the next 24 hours.

That’s right folks, it’s Dead Reckoning day for the rabid masses.

Having had two weeks to absorb the latest Sookie Stackhouse novel, we are literally dying to hear what you think and get into some serious discussion.

This is an open thread – post your observations as you’re reading, or a diatribe after you’ve finished. Hell, it’s all so exciting you could even do both!

We also have a spoilery discussion thread running in the forum – feel free to post wherever suits you best.

Happy reading!

WARNING: COMMENTS IN THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS.


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631 comments to Dead Reckoning – Open Thread #1

  • A-Pos

    Picked it up at midnight. Will start in the morning, Oh Eric how I’ve missed you!

  • ** ‘Dead Reckoning’ SPOILERS **

    Okay. I have got to talk about the Eric/Sookie dynamic in ‘Reckoning’.

    I know that Charlaine Harris has prepared fans for the imminent demise of Sookie and Eric. She has flat-out admitted that Eric is not her HEA … and with 2 books left in the series (unless Harris renews her contract) I logically know that she would have to start writing the beginning of their end.

    But, still – woah.

    On the one hand I wish she’d done it like a band-aid – quickly! But I know that fans would expect no less than a big, messy and dramatic break-up. This couple deserves an epic send-off. I had my heart in my throat when we found out about the Queen of Oklahoma. Wow. Just, ‘wow’.

    I think I know what Eric will choose. But it still sucks.

    SVB Reply:

    She has flat out admitted no such thing ;)

    I didn’t see really see the Queen issue as Eric’s choice as much as it’s about Sookie’s choice.

    Eric has already chosen – he has already decided it’s not what he wants and he’s been actively trying to get out of it.

    Now Sookie needs to choose – does she fight to keep him, or is he just not worth it?

    Krtmd Reply:

    And Sookie is now aware of what Eric will be turning down, since Bill told her. Money, power, oil rights, beautiful vamp wife. That’s a lot to turn down. I think Sookie will decide that Eric is worth it, but she also has to see that SHE is worth much more than what Eric is turning down by choosing her. And she must choose him, so he knows his worth to her.

    EricsRenfield Reply:

    Eric has said that he only has Pam & Sookie that he trusts, no amount of Oil, money or power should come before that.

    KCScout Reply:

    Yes, it’s Sookie’s time to choose to save Eric for herself if that’s what she finally decides is what she wants. Is she his wife, or isn’t she?

    *C.K. Reply:

    I agree Eric loves and values Sookie more than any possesions. He wants to get out of this marriage and he has been trying to evade it. Eric doesn’t even want to be king. Eric is 1,000 years old there has to be some other way he can become king. Sookie even mentioned that Eric seemed “abashed” when he talked about having to consummate a vamp marriage if it came to that. Sookie is a fighter and I do not think that she will let some other woman take her man. Bill warned Sookie not to do anything rash about the Queen. Sookie has taken out two ex’s.

    I really hope Eric can get out of that deal somehow. Man I hate Appius.

    *C.K. Reply:

    I do think trust and loyalty are important to Eric and rare in the vamp world. A fear of Eric’s is the loss of freedom. Eric saved Sookie from being Felip’s puppet so maybe now it is Sookies turn to try to save Eric from being Fredya/Appius puppet. Eric and Sookie are not quitters. In this book, Sookie explained to several people that she is with Eric.

    It is not like Eric and Sookie expected to fall in love with each other or that they even wanted it. Nonetheless, it happened. We find out in this book that Eric has been looking out for Sookie more than she knew. Like he is a pert of the reason Claudine show up to protect Sookie.

    Hootiecat1 Reply:

    CK I agree with what you say about Eric. Eric has just now gotten free of Appius and even thow it hurt him to loose his maker, he was also relieved took huge deep breath’s I think he would go rogue rather than be under anyone’s thumb no matter what the QoO could bring him. HE LOVES SOOKIE CHOSE HER AND PAM.

    Several question come up for me. WHAT IS SOOKIE? This was asked by several sups. The Elf Bellenos and Jannalynn crazy Sandra couldn’t figure out why Sookie didn’t die. Appius’s surprise at how rare Sookie is, also at the end Appius was afraid of Sookie because he knew she would kill him. I think Appius saw something in Sookie in those last seconds of his life that forced him to save her life when he spoke to her in her head forcing her to move so he died not her. I’VE NOTICED THROUGHOUT THE BOOKS THAT SUPS THAT WANT TO KILL SOOKIE DONT! Charles & Colman maybe even Claude & Dermot?

    Heres my thinking: Who will Niall make his death appearance to? He’s the oldest living Fae Royalty and Sookie is the youngest. (thow part fae) The Fae are having reproduction issues not enough fae women. Sookie has the “essential spark?” and now the cluviel dor with a dash of demon blood thrown into her gene mix thanks to Mr. C. wanting to give his friend Fenton’s family an edge. (Mr. C mentions how useful telepathy would be for a Fae Prince, Queen? They would know how to put down rebellion before it began?) Sookie is turning more fae by association with C & D. Dermot treats Sookie as a Queen. (pre-cursor to what she is?) The Fae have an agenda for Sookie, but so far we don’t know what it is.

    DR left us with Sookie thinking she can’t compete with the QoO. She’s human with no power, wealth, and to her own mind “what the hell is a beautiful vamp like Eric doing with a plane Jane like me?” Of course our asshole Compton played Sookie’s insecurities big time trying to recycle himself into the Viking’s vacated place.

    To my way of thinking Sookie just proved herself more fae than ever. Our Sookie is more bloody vicious than Eric already. She planned and executed Victor and his followers. She had the vamps do the work of killing but she led them to it, used who ever and what ever she could get her hands on to do it. A mirror image of Eric but more. Now has her moral qualm’s to deal with.
    WHEN SOOKIE HAS ALL THE PIECES OF WHAT SHE REALLY IS, SHE’S GOING TO BE ONE BADASSMOTHERFUCKER.
    Niall is going to pay for “Gift Wrapped.” Sookie is going to go ballistic when she finds out that Niall charmed her into sex with a fairy, then wiped her memory. Sookie definitely did not approve of Fenton’s deceptions with her Gran’s life. (even if Fenton loved Gran) How’s she goina feel being used like that after she’s already gone through being raped by bill? Now raped mentally too by her great grandfather?
    I think she’ll take over the Fae World, maybe open the doors with the cluviel dor with the intention of letting the fae race die out. When she’s through with the fae Eric’s vampire nature is going to be a piece of cake for her.
    Sookie has strong ideas of who she has sex with, she chooses, as she’s proved with bill and Alcide and by clearing her house of any so call friends who questions her decisions.

    One other thing. How did Mr. C know the exact time and date that Sandra’s hoods would show up to hurt Sookie? Does he have another gift of knowing things before they happen? Now our Sook has a way of pulling random pieces and people into what she wants accomplished? Is she growing a new gift, maybe more than Mr. C thought he was giving to the Stackhouse family tree? Is that why other sups are asking her what she is?

    Eric is her HEA, I only question when she’ll begin her fight for him?

    harmony Reply:

    Regarding the sookie being a Queen fae I tought of that and she might the last female in the Prince familly, but someone answered me that she is not full blood so it was not possible…but now we know she is becoming more fae day after day so why not.

    Take over the fae world I am not sure and what for? vengence?

    Hootiecat1 Reply:

    So far we reader’s have no idea of how the Fae world works, Niall is the last Royal Prince. Niall did tell Sookie that she really wouldn’t want to go hunting with him. After hearing the noises of Sandra Pelt’s body being devoured – maybe not…
    So I don’t think anyone can say what’s possible in the Fairy world but CH.
    I don’t think Sookie wants to take over the fae world or will go there. If Sookie is being prepped for fae Royalty, I think she’ll take the power of it and the cluviel dor and turn it on them. Maybe just outing the Fairies will cause their race to die out? Slamming the door after forcing them out could do it? I don’t know what CH has in store for us…but Sookie could end up waring on them herself???

    Sookie will not be able to integrate fairy joke’s/tricks with her own sense of moral standards…. Sook was not happy with Dermot’s attitude about Fenton’s tricks on her Gran and her whole family, she almost burnt the photos Fenton was in. Later after talking to Mr. C about the cluviel dor, she understood how deep Fenton’s love for Adel was, but not reconciled to his moral deception of her grandmother. Now she’ll have to face what her GGD did to her…with Preston. We do know how she felt when Claude, Amelia and Jannalynn planted Alcied in her bed. She has been tortured by fae almost to death, they killed her mom & dad also grandfather. (who was keeping his family away from Niall?)

    Who know’s what and who Sookie will use if she goes to war with the Fairies? (clue) I think it’s a real good thing that the wards on Sookie’s house were replaced by a Elf relative of Mr. C’s…Eliminating Amelia’s and Dermot’s. Why is Claude worried about Sookie not working at Merlotte’s?
    Why was Dermot able to breath into Sookie? (clue) Sookie knew she was becoming more Fae and Sam took her to confront Claude…but I think that was a trick to divert her attention from what Sookie was becoming aware of. Sam slipping in the idea of fae mating practices and then taking Sookie to Hooligan’s to warn Claude? Sookie had questions? I noticed that all of them diverted her attention and the fae had time to think of what they would tell her. C & D did not come home that night. Sam offering his friendship if Sookie needed to talk?
    I’ve noticed that Sam complains a lot about Sookie not telling him what’s going on in her life in the last few books…Since Eric is now her man???
    Is Bellenos a spy for Mr. C? (I think so)

    This is such a great book! I have no problem letting E/S slide until she has more of a grip of what she really is…or is becoming.

    Sherry Reply:

    great points! so many things for CH to answer in the final 2 books.

    KCScout Reply:

    @Hootie
    You bring up a lot of interesting questions. I do think Niall had ulterior motives regarding Sookie, maybe I’m just the suspicious type but I still wonder why he sent her Preston and sacrificed Claudine, especially since we know they’re having a fertility crisis. I also think it’s interesting that becaues Niall “loves her” it’s supposed to absolve him in some way. It reminds me of the mantra of those who forgive Bill because he loves her. Creepy. She’s definitely not going to be happy with ggf if and when she finds out about Preston.

    I’ve been wondering about the death appearance too. I’m sure we’ll see it come into the plot again.

    wahoozit Reply:

    Definately more going on now with Sookie. So many times she’s said she doesn’t have the power to compete. Well something tells me that she soon will have. We’ve been told Sookie will not get any additional supernatural powers so therefore the only powerr remaining to her is political. Only question now is where’s it going to come from.
    Highly doubtfull its going to come from the vampire community as no matter what the position a non-vampire has a vampire will always outrank them.

    Sookie is pushing more away from the were community so it won’t be from there unless she persuades Sam to let her wander the library they have and she discovers something there. Even if she does it would only be info on vampires or Fae that would be of any use to her.

    Nial definately has something coming she is on the verge of remembering something about him thats going ot make her see red and I’m betting it’ll be Preston or that he’s just the latest in a long line of stuff to add to Nials list of shit.

    *C.K. Reply:

    Hootiecat1,

    Wow you made some great points,
    I noticed that the elf was wondering what Sookie is to which I found odd. Maybe she is something else.

    I have a strong feeling that Sookie is going to remember what Niall did with the Preston date rape. There was a scene in this book when Sookie said something like that she felt she was close to knowing something Niall had done but she can’t quite get it. You know she will be beyond outraged and Eric too. Sookie was molested as a child, endured the fae torture, and was raped. She is going to feel violated. Now I do think that they might want to knock her up via Claude. Maybe Niall origionally wanted Preston to do the deed. I am just afraid that they will use that enchanting crap on Sookie again. The issue of fae babies has to come up. I can’t express how much that “Gift Wrapped” story ticked me off. Maybe Niall’s intention were good but I doubt Sookie will see it that way.

    Sookie did tell Eric that she and him were so different. You have another point, I think Sookie and Eric are a lot alike. Maybe she is starting to realize that.

    KB Reply:

    I am hopeful that Sookie will use the c.d. in order to free Eric to make his choice. That’s love.

    After killing off Victor, it finally clicks for Sookie that the vampires are truly terrifying. While she has the capacity for violence, she does not relish it. While she has a moment of clarity which she recognizes as a turning point for her relationship, that doesn’t mean it is over. It is just different. It is more “eyes wide open” than she has been capable of being.

    I have faith in Eric and Sookie. He made his choice. She’s found out for herself that the blood bond wasn’t the source of her love and attraction for him. I agree that she needs to recognize her value, as Bill clearly laid out for her. Make your wish, Sookie darlin’!

    sheldon Reply:

    I’ve typed about three different responses re the marriage contract issue and promptly deleted them – my head is all over the place. I am going to go back and re read DR, cause I came away thinking the ball was firmly in Erics court – though admittedly that’s probably more what Sookie is thinking. And you’re right Eric has actively been pursuing a solution.

    Gah, I am all over the place with this – I need to go and reread I think……

    SVB Reply:

    Obviously Eric’s “choice” in this matter is rather limited – he either caves into Freyda’s demands and goes quietly – or he tries to find a way out of it. It’s clear he’s doing that which tells me he’s not prepared to just lie back and be told what to do even if the situation does seem rather dire.

    The question really is does Sookie believe that Eric is fighting this because he wants to be with her, or because he doesn’t want the loss of freedom that being paired with a Queen is going to involve?

    I tend to think it’s a bit of both, and while early Sookie would have had it in her head that it was only himself he was thinking about, I like to hope she has come far enough now that she will she other motives too.

    It’s never about one thing with Eric, after all.

    She actually gave him a bit of credit for the bond and the marriage in this book – even referred to herself as his wife in the company of others – so there’s definitely signs that she’s coming to understand him better.

    sheldon Reply:

    Your right and I think I’ve been swayed by Sookie’s internal musings and particularly by the last scene/convo with Bill and Sookie (and having just reread that passage it was interesting as Bill was noble on the one hand but then was he planting some seeds of doubt with the other?). So perhaps its that Sookie thinks the ball is in Erics court when its both of them having to decide whats worth fighting for. Reread starts tomorrow!

    KCScout Reply:

    I think Sookie’s musings at the end are about her fear that OK will separate her from Eric. She still doesn’t ‘get’ him they way he gets her IMO.

    *C.K. Reply:

    Sookie had some very mature converstations with Eric in this book. They both talked about the blood bond. Each taking blaim for it. Eric mentioned that he should have told Sookie about breaking it and explained why he didn’t. Sookie conveyed that she should have consulted Eric before breaking it.

    I agree SVB it is always about more than one thing with Eric. He hates losing control.

    IATM Reply:

    i totaly agree,

    the choice is about Sookie.. Sookie has to decide if she feels that the love she has for Eric is worth the fight.. & we have 2 more books to decide that …

    *C.K. Reply:

    True the books are from Sookie’s pov so it is Sookie’s choice that matters. I have no idea how Eric can get out of that arrangement unless Fredya dies.

    Meredith Reply:

    Can’t Sookie use the cluviel dor to save Eric from this arrangement with the queen?

    IATM Reply:

    if Sookie uses it the reprecussion might be Eric becomming King.. i still think Felipe is going to end up dead as well.. & i know alot of Eric fans like muself would love the ending of the series to be Eric as a vampire King.. i think he has earned it IMO..

    i’m just not sure with how CH is going to do it.. but it looks like CH is heading down that path from the events in DR… i mean a vampire Queen already wants him.. Sookie as a Fae token that can change history & events with unexpected repercussions..

    *C.K. Reply:

    I know Eric does not want to be king but he was made for it. I think at this point he needs to become king for survival. He would be a good king. Felip’s kingdom is already in a weakend state so I agree that he might die. I am sure Eric can find a way to become king without marrying Freyda. If Eric becomes king I want it to be because of his accord not some arranged marriage. He can make Pam sheriff is he becomes king.

    LLE Reply:

    CH would not be stupid to say that in her interviews that Eric is not Sookie’s HEA. If she said those words, many readers will not buy her books.

    Sam is hiding something from Sookie. Every time, they are in room together, Sam has his mind block so Sookie can’t read it. It’s in almost all the books. What does Sam don’t want Sookie to know?

    CH loves to tease the fans that read her books and give them hope that they will be one. I always take her words grain of salt.

    Kirsten Reply:

    Where does this statement about CH saying Eric isn’t Sookie’s HEA come from? I have seen this comment before but where’s the proof? What interview, comment on her website etc. prompted this?

    LLE Reply:

    There no proof but the Bill’s and there are a lot of Bill’s fans on that board. CH is not stupid and would never say that because knows that there more Eric’s fans and he the most popular character in the series.

    Sookie, Eric, and Pam are three most popular characters in the series because CH loves writing them.

    Mony Reply:

    It doesn’t exist Kristin..just wishful thinking, don’t worry ,)

    Kathy Reply:

    Charlaine has NEVER said Eric is out. NEVER. I think it’s wishful thinking from certain people.

    Kirsten Reply:

    Ah ok. I’ve just seen this very similarly phrased in a few different places and wondered if there was something taken out of context or something that started the rumor. I also saw someone on Amazon state that CH had said that Sookie hadn’t even MET her HEA yet so it couldn’t be Eric. I didn’t take either statement seriously, but I’m always fascinated by how these things get started and spread.

    Dee Reply:

    LOL yeah people twist words and they post the wrong thing but then others see it and take it as the truth and they post the same thing and the cycle begins.

    She definitely did not say that Sookie hadn’t met her HEA yet.

    Chris W Reply:

    Read somewhere that the book suppose to end at no.10 but she sign for 3 more after TB. In that case, book 10, she’s with eric and CH said she will enjoy lots of sex with him. We know they do:) She wouldn’t change who she will end up with. I honestly think book 11-13 is just fillers.

    *C.K. Reply:

    Yep Chris W, book 10 was supposed to be the last book. They wanted her to sign on for three more bringing it to 13 books. Plus, maybe this way the books would end closer to the end of the T.V. series.

    EricNorthmanforever Reply:

    “I know that Charlaine Harris has prepared fans for the imminent demise of Sookie and Eric.”

    I actually don’t see it that way. I think if anything, it’s rearing towards Eric and Sookie being together in the end. I think Sookie will use the Cloviel dor thing to either make herself eternal life so she can be with Eric or use it to make Eric human possibly?? I think the Cloviel dor will be the key to their HEA.

    harmony Reply:

    CH said Sookie will have a normal longevety, so I am on the Eric being human side

    *C.K. Reply:

    I think if Eric ever became human (I doubt it would ever happen) he might not survive long. His ememies would take him out and get Sookie. Eric loves being a vampire maybe not so much these days but overall he loves it.

    harmony Reply:

    I know I am dreaming, I am not fond of open end, but I know you are right, still would make me laugh to eric being human a few days as with the brush ;-)

    *C.K. Reply:

    Yes harmony it would be nice if Eric could spend even one day in the sun with Sookie. It is a nice dream.

    LLE Reply:

    CH will say any to shut readers up so they would not talk about it. We really don’t know what CH end story for Sookie at all.

    Peet Reply:

    Seriously guys, did we read the same book? I grew more and more depressed over Eric and Sookie’s prospects the further into the book I got. As much as it pains me to say it, she is going to end up with Sam. I wouldn’t be surprised if she uses the Cloviel Dor to wipe all memory of her from all supernatural’s minds (except Sam).

    There are some Eric and Sookie lovers who are convinced this book was a good thing for them, and I really, really want to know WHY they think that, because I can’t see it at all!

    LONG LIVE THE VIKING.

    Sherry Reply:

    Yes, that is why she constantly says “Sam, you’re my best friend” over and over and “I love Eric” over and over. Mmm-hmm.

    Mony Reply:

    Actually not EL’s only LOVED this book, so this i very telling imo ;)
    This book was AWSOME not just good, for me, becouse it proved one more time how Sookie matured since Book 1 and how now she is able to judge with the right morality even if she keeps doing her mistakes LOL
    But this book was a wild ride, not dark like for example D&D or DITF. I loved how she stopped to run away when things get complicated, 6 books ago she would have run away after the Niall/Eric/Terry thing or the marriage with the new Queen but this time she just got everything, not that she liked everything, but she is ready to understand which if you ask me is pretty much what i was waiting for a very long time. Not only the bond in gone and proved to all the denials that their love is true but also make her actually miss it which convinced me even more that they will bond again.

    I loved this book also for all the parallels CH wrote that just enlightened how Eric is a good man and loves her (quoting Niall in D&G) and how under the same situations Bill had he just acted differently.

    This book showed her also that all the morality she applied in her life following Gran’s example maybe are not that good as she thoguth becouse Gran was not exactly out of the Supe’s world as she thought.
    There is a part at the end of the book that worths the reading:

    “I’d changed in order to survive, and I was paying the price of survival. I had to be willing to change myself forever, or everything I’d made myself do was for nothing. ” – THIS worths more than the all book, THIS is what i was waiting for Sookie, that she would accept her changement.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if she uses the Cloviel Dor to wipe all memory of her from all supernatural’s minds (except Sam) – not gonna happen so don’t fret about it. She will be part of the Supe’s world as CH confirmed and she won’t settle down and start a family and live an happy normal life ;)

    JonnaRose Reply:

    I agree in part with each of you. I don’t doubt at all that her and Eric love each other. I very much wonder, however, about the longevity of their relationship. I don’t now that it can survive Sookie’s hypocrisy. She appreciates the necessity of the violence surrounding her and the benefit of knowing so many that will inflict it without compunction – on her behalf – but she thinks she’s better than them because her morality won’t allow her to act without guilt. Guilt that decreases as the “otherness” of the victim increases. She appreciates Sam because he possesses the same reservations – he understands how things are done but generally keeps his hands clean. She cannot be married to Eric is she believes herself morally superior to him. She cannot be married to a vampire if she believes human lives are worth more than vampire lives. Unless she can learn to stand by his side unflinchingly supportive when stuff like the Victor coup goes down, they are destined to break up. And yes, I know she was all “drink, you deserve it” but if I’d been Eric I don’t know if I could get over seeing my beloved is so repulsed by such a fundamental part of me.

    Dee Reply:

    I don’t think the problem was Sookie thinking she is above them. It was Sookie realizing for the first time how much she has changed. This was all her doing, so when she looked around and felt horrible about it, it wasn’t looking down on them but a reflection of herself. She was down on herself because she felt responsible for everything. She planned Victor’s death, she got others involved such as Audrina who ended up dying.

    Then the next day Sookie admitted to herself that this is the real her. She also said “willing to change myself forever, or everything I’d made myself do was for nothing”.

    She has to change, not for Eric but for herself. If Sookie goes back to her old ways of thinking then she will always feel like all the things she has done were wrong and all for nothing. I don’t think CH is willing to let Sookie go on feeling like all she did was for nothing. Sookie has to accept who she has become.

    Sherry Reply:

    Thank you Dee. I agree with you.

    I am already tired of reading comments where everything is somehow Sookie’s fault. Sookie is wrong with everything and Eric is right with everything.

    I call bullshit right there.

    Eric has A LOT to answer for too. But no one seems to be all over him to step up the way Sookie seems to be expected to. Sookie needs to stand unflinchingly supportive on Eric’s side? Umm…why? No vampires aside from Eric, Pam and Bill even care what she thinks or does. She’s irrelevant.

    She has never once said or claimed to be morally superior to Eric. She is in fact aware that he predates the spread of Christian ideologies so her moral concerns are completely different from his. She is trying to reconcile her morals with her new sense of self. She is attempting to understand how she can continue to live by the morals her Gran set her up with when her Gran herself wasn’t all that moral.

    If any of you watch Dexter you’d get what I’m saying immediately – “The Harry Code” Dexter lives by gets completely called into question when Dexter finds out dear ole dad isn’t so high and mighty as he appears. Well, neither is Gran.

    Sookie is attempting to figure out how she can juxtapose her christian upbringing with the deathly consequences of living in the supernatural world. She’s spent 25 years before being exposed to supernatural politicing with a christian viewpoint. It takes time to change that. And that is the whole point.

    JonnaRose Reply:

    I certainly don’t think Eric is beyond reproach, and I didn’t think that’s what I was implying. She has in the past expressed the belief that killing vampires is not as bad as killing other people. This has always bothered me. A LOT. And she does think she’s better than Jannalynn.
    I understand the conflict she feels. I don’t think it would be in character for her, ultimately, to accept the level of violence she must be party to for the love of her vampire. There will always be the next big bad, and if she stays with Eric her short human existence will be largely defined by this abandoning of her core beliefs and the hardening of her soul. To what end?
    I want an Eric/Sookie HEA as much as anybody. I just wonder how Charlaine can resolve this fundamental issue. I want to see it done in a way where I feel like Sookie is gaining more than she gives up. Survival is not enough.

    Sherry Reply:

    You’re right. Survival is not enough. That is unfortunately what so many of these vampires have become accustomed to though: they know how to survive but not how to live. Eric – he knows how to live. Bill mentions it I think in first book.

    In my view – I can only see a E/S ending in one of two ways. Being sheriff just isn’t stable for him anymore. He doesn’t like being overseen, nor does it want to risk handing Sookie over to anyone which leads me to suspect that he is either going to A) remove himself from politics, take Sookie and leave America or B) become a regent or king in order to better protect those around him. However, Eric values his life very highly and becoming a regent or king paints a big political target on his back. We’ve all seen what happens to the kings and queens and regents if there is a coup.

    *C.K. Reply:

    Your so right Sherry,

    Being sheriff is not enough for Eric anymore. He likes enough power to be comfortable but he needs to move up on the heirarchy. In some ways he would have less freedom if he became king. I really feel he has to become king to live. However, your right again it does put him in more danger.

    Sherry Reply:

    Yes but I feel there are still a lot of problems with Eric being king. He would have less freedom and he would have to remove himself from the majority of the things he likes – like fighting. He also likes being seen and able to control even some of the smaller things. Being a sheriff gives him enough power to be well respected but enough freedom where he can move around if he wants.

    It’s also hard to say how much better protected Sookie would be. She would still be a target for other kingdoms or for kidnappings. She would hate having to be guarded all the time.

    *C.K. Reply:

    True Sherry, Eric, Pam, and Sookie would have less freedom. They could be in even more danger. It is a double edged sword situation for Eric. I think you can still be sheriff if you are king. We will have to wait and see how/if Eric can get out of this one. He could take Victor’s place a regent but he would still have that target. Plus, he would probably have to travel more.

    jsnider Reply:

    I agree that Eric has alot to answer for as well….he is surprised/upset whatever that Sookie does not share everything with him but as we learned in this book….there has been MUCH Eric has not shared with her!!

    I feel like BOTH of them have to make some serious changes if they are to survive and be together….

    *C.K. Reply:

    Good point Dee,

    Sookie does need to find a balance with her morals and the supe world. She has come along way since the beginning.

    Sherry you do have a point too, Eric had his share of faults in this book. I was not happy with everything he did. Like when Sookie brought up the fact that she would die someday. Eric says, “We can take care of that easily enough”. I was not thrilled with the Terry situation either. Eric was looking out for Sookie but she had a right to be upset. Pam was right that Eric should have told Sookie about the arranged marriage situation. No Sookie is not completely to blame. I thought she was being pretty reasonable in this book. I do believe Eric is a good guy. He is no where hear perfect and has his vices.

    As for the cloviel dor. I am a little weiry of that. Sookie has gotten several warning about it and how you have to be careful with it.

    CH has mentioned that Sookie will not have the “white picket fence” happily ever after. I do not believe Sookie will have children either. Gran mentioned in the letter that she thought everything would be “perfect” if she had children and that was not the case. Sookie has a lot to think about. Whether Sookie is with Eric or not, she will always be in danger. Sookie is deeply immersed in the supe world and she is part fae.

    Gretchen Reply:

    I was thinking about the conversation at the end of book 10 between Sookie and Appius

    “I want o kill you right now,” I (Sookie) said, very quietly. “I want you dead so bad.”
    “Since you’ve stoped to speak to me, I know you’re not going to do it.” He said with the utmost confidence. “You won’t keep Eric, either.”

    I really believe that the “turning point” that Sookie refers to in her relationship with Eric at the end of DR has to do with her needing to become much more fierce and hard-hearted when it comes to death and killing. Right now, with everything that has happened she is not there. And Appius knew it because she couldn’t kill him then, or really kill Victor in this book. Eric knows it too, that is why he was rough with her and called her a hypocrite.

    So I was thinking about what might really put Sookie over that edge? Hunter, the substitute child. I agree with the idea that has been presented on this blog, that Remy will end up dying and that Sookie will take custody of Hunter. I believe it will be game on for her then. She will have a reason to become ultra fierce and protective. To do whatever it takes, including killing and rejoicing in it to keep hunter safe. And keep Eric as well.

    *C.K. Reply:

    Sookie did says “I wanted to prove him wrong on both counts”(pg. 306 DITF). I would hate to see Remy die because Hunter already lost one parent and I like Remy. It is possible he could die. Claude knows about Hunter. I think Sookie needs to tell Eric about Hunter’s telepathy. Also, she should just tell him that she can catch glimpses of vampires thought. I think Eric suspects that she can read them sometimes. He gave her a couple of sideway glances a few times when she heard vamp thoughts.

    SVB Reply:

    Nice assessment. I agree with you. I see signs that she’s getting there, though .

    VikingDame Reply:

    Erasing all memory of herself from the minds of the supes would mean erasing Eric’s memory of her. Pam’s memory of her – who has been a better friend to her than she even knows. Yes, even from Bill’s mind. That would be horrendously cruel of her to do, especially considering that Eric told her (after he’d regained his memories) that his time with her in DTTW was the happiest he’d been a long, long time. I don’t see Sookie being that cruel. That would entail changing people’s life experiences and it’s those experiences that shape us, even vampires. So no, I don’t see Sookie doing that.

    And I’ve yet to read about a couple in any series of books that had clear, happy sailing all the way through. There is always going to be angst. That’s what keeps the readers hooked. The intelligent people of this blog have been expecting and calling that E/S would hit a rough patch heading into the home stretch. Ch herself said that Sookie would have to weigh the pros and cons of a life with Eric and decide if the good outweighs the bad. And since Sookie genuinely loves Eric it means that there is no way that she can possibly fall out of love with him and in love with someone else in just two books. Which means that if she ends up with someone else, say Sam for example, she would clearly be settling for what’s safe. For what’s simple. And it would be the first time in my experience that the central, garnd romance that spanned the majority of all the books in the series did NOT end up as the HEA. And I just don’t see that.

    LLE Reply:

    If Sam becomes Sookie’s HEA, readers will be very disappointment and it would not work. If she decided in the future to write more books about Sookie no one would be interest in Sookie and Sam as a item and it would be very dull.

    SVB Reply:

    I don’t understand what people were expecting from this book? I’m wondering if people REALLY expected to open this book and find Sookie and Eric cooing all over each other, or what?

    There are TWO more books to go. We have always known that this was going to be a rocky ride until the end. Harris has no intention of handing Sookie and Eric a HEA on a silver platter, any more than she has done with the heroines in her other series. She just doesn’t write like that.

    There WILL be angst. There WILL be drama. There WILL be hurt. Much more of all three, and in the next book and the one after that, as well. What is important is not the fact that these things happen at all, but why they happen. And I can totally see how everything Sookie and Eric are going through fits in with the rest of the story.

    Sookie will not be turned vampire. Eric will not be turned human. I am grateful for both of these assurances from CH – frankly I think that for her to do either is a total betrayal of their characters. A vampire/human pairing is unconventional and difficult. They need to work for their HEA – struggle with it’s implications, work out what it looks like. That’s the only way that readers are going to feel like they have truly earned it.

    WaitingForSunday Reply:

    I think people who read lots of fanfic confuse CH’s world with the stories fans write. Many of the fanfics I’ve read are predominantly romances, but the real Sookie books are MYSTERIES. The books are told from Sookie’s POV. She has a handicap because she is unable to read (mostly) vampire’s minds, and she has some less developed skills because she has always relied on her telepathy.

    SVB Reply:

    I agree. I don’t object to fanfic, generally. I read it – though I’m admittedly pretty picky about it. But I think there is a proportion of this fandom who are reading Way Too Fucking Much Of It.

    Freyja Reply:

    ITA, I can read some fanfictions but I can’t take them seriously though, because they are never all in character, it’s just a distraction and I’m very picky. People who want Sookie to become a vampire or Eric to become a human don’t really get the core of the characters IMO. I want Sookie and Eric to be what they want to be and live how they want to live.

    I knew that there would be angst in this book and for sure there will be in the future books too. Sookie needs to come to accept that this is what her life is like now, she will never get out of the supe world. Eric needs to start to learn what it is to be in a relationship, I’m sure he hasn’t really needed to think about other than himself for 1000 years, it’s hard after all this time to share and trust his lover and companion, let alone a human. They both need to start to listen and share if they want to stay together. We know they love each other but it’s not enough if they don’t trust each other. Like Eric with the queen deal and Sookie with the cluvian dor and Hunter.

    jsnider Reply:

    I totally agree…they both have lots of work to do in the relationship department and if that doesn’t happen it’s not really gonna matter because they will self-implode!

    KCScout Reply:

    She’s a mystery writer and the biggest mystery of the series is how Eric and Sookie can be together, IMO, and I’m afraid she’s not going to give that to us until the very end. Sam would be a disappointing HEA. In fact, with as much as Sookie’s gone through in the series, that would be the saddest thing that could happen to her.

    Serena Reply:

    I don’t think Sam would be a disappointing HEA, .. IMO it would be a catastrophe HEA. lol. And I don’t say that because I hate him, I do, lol, it is because he’s a flat character. Where is Sam’s character development? Has he had any over the course of 11 books?

    My answer is to that is N.O.

    We found out about his sworn-to-secrecy shifter database, some background to how he knows so much information on the Supernatural, but what fundamental growth .. what journeyhas Sam undergone? None. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Zero. He’s *still* dating dangerous women, how is Jannalynn much different from the maenad? She’s not demanding tribute from Eric. .. Tis all.

    All 11 books have concerned themselves up to this point with Sookie’s ever evolving character, she’s endured betrayal, death, torture, what has Sam endured? Compare that to what Eric’s undergone, from a vampire that doesn’t care about humans to the love he has for Sookie. Sam is just flat flat flat FLAT. -They don’t stack as equal suitors and they don’t stack as equal characters.

    Frankly, the shifter doesn’t deserve Sookie. :evil:

    LLE Reply:

    I agree and lot readers think Sam is going to be HEA and I don’t because they don’t have anything in common.

    I think he the one that will betray Sookie at the end. Sookie trust Sam and when she finds out the real truth about what Sam wants and it not her. Sam is hiding something from Sookie and she could never read his mind because he’s blocks it from her.

    Sam always turn into a dog. Everyone thinks of a dog is trust worthily and that why he wants Sookie to think that way.

    Sherry Reply:

    I agree with everything you’ve said about Sam. Not only has he not changed over 11 books in terms of development, every book brings out a little more shiftiness in this shifter.

    I think Sam always turning into a dog when he could turn into anything is telling. He could turn into the most ferocious animal he wants – like a lion, or he could challenge himself with something like an eagle or any number of other animals but he chooses something simple, easy and what is purposely disarming to humans with a collie.

    I think Sam’s gonna bite the bullet by the end.

    bigchili Reply:

    SVB –
    I don’t know what I was necessarily expecting, but I know I was hoping for a little more lightness. I knew there would angst – and your review helped me prepare for that even more so thank you!! – there had to be to get where we want the characters to go. I get that, but I didn’t find my self smiling and laughing as much as I normally do when I read this series and I really missed that. Now, I’m really hoping that was in part due to the fact that I was putting the book down repeatedly to take care of son and that when I reread it this weekend the amusement will be there. Having said that, I did really, really enjoyed the book and I’m even more in love with series and where it’s going. The next 364 days will be even harder than the last.

    jsnider Reply:

    I too am very concerned about the state of Eric and Sookie….after the big show down when Eric bites her and Bill(!) intervenes….she flat out says this is a turning point in their relationship…..and I think I deflated a little inside….I do not have the same hopeful outlook….maybe I just read it wrong??

    I do hope the Cloviel dor is the answer to them being able to be together. I just can believe that we will have gone through almost 7 books of Eric and Sookie building momenmtum to be be let down???

  • Pat

    “I know that Charlaine Harris has prepared fans for the imminent demise of Sookie and Eric. She has flat-out admitted that Eric is not her HEA …”

    She has done no such thing, I have no idea where did you get that from?!!

    And this book in no way hints at a demise of Sookie and Eric!

    Yes, they still have stuff to sort out but I think that makes it more real and more likely that they will end up together.

    If everything was perfect and roses right now I would worry as there are 2 books to go so the relationship still needs to mature and solidify and if life has taught me anything is that growing up is not easy and sometimes hurts like hell!

    I am still a true believer in a Eric/Sookie HEA :-)

    By the way, SVB, totally agree with you, this is one of my favourite books!

    EricNorthmanforever Reply:

    I totally agreed with you that it’s more real that Sookie and Eric hit a rough patch and this will determine which direction each of them really want to take to be with each other. It pulls the readers in if there is a cliffhanger of not knowing what is going to happen. I was skeptical that they won’t end up being together after book 10 but I feel much better after reading DR since everything points in to E/S being HEA. I don’t know how the Cluviel Dor is going to be used but it is the key to solving whatever obstacle is in their HEA journey. I was worried in DITF that it might be Sam but DR confirmed that Sam is her best friend and that is all and nothing more. Alcide is out and Bill is not a contender either. That leaves just ERIC! Everything since book 2 has been pointing in Eric’s direction so I’m more confident now after DR that it will be Eric. I’m just curious to see how the Cluviel Dor will be used.

    jsnider Reply:

    I guess the ideas I am seeing about a “rough patch” for Eric and Sookie surprise me…..it seems to me they have had nothing but a rough patch since they began….I think they deserve some peace. How can they even sort through this relationship if she’s constantly in danger and he’s constantly on edge with the political structure….

    VikingLover Reply:

    {I think they deserve some peace. }

    They will have peace but at the end of the series. Before that, CH is going to throw drama and obstacles in their path because she wants to make it as suspenseful as possible until the very end. I think it speaks to CH’s talent (and sadism lol) that after 11 books, we *still* don’t know how it’s going to end. And E/S do have peace but off the page – there are some time lapses in between the last couple of books where Sookie mentions how they had been spending time together/they had peace and quiet. On the page we’re not going to see that. Plus they still have to work through some things in their relationship before they can have more peace. There are a lot of things that need to be worked between them – but that’s true of any relationship.

    I definitely understand how you feel though because I was hoping the whole HEA thing would be resolved and the last couple of books would be E/S solving mysteries as a team etc. but I think CH is going to keep us on our toes until the bitter end. Grrrr. lol

    *C.K. Reply:

    I just hope CH does not wait till the very end of the last book to find out Sookies official HEA. It would be nice if there were a couple of books with Sookie, Eric, and can’t forget Pam (if Pam makes it I hope to God she does) settled and working to solve mysteries like you said VikingLover. I know that is wishful thinking on my part.

  • Krtmd

    So I woke up at 1 am, downloaded it to my iPad and just finished it at 4:45. Since my kids will be up in less than 3 hours, I should go to bed. I need to reread before I can discuss it. But I can say, what a ride. I kept thinking I’d just read a little, and then finish after I’d slept, but the book is impossible to put down. Completely action packed. I really liked it. Although there are still issues to be dealt with, this book seriously answers some lingering questions, and for that alone it is immensely satisfying.

    And I just knew, from your hints SVB, that it was Bill who had been bonded to a human before. I wish there had been more info there. Who knew I would want to know more about Bill. And agree with him, too. Surprisingly enough, the three scenes between Bill and Sookie were welcome, revealing, and entertaining.

    Be back later.

    SVB Reply:

    Bill was the nicest surprise in this book! His scene with Sookie when he called her out totally on her BS towards the end was really good.

    Lest I love on him *too* much, the way he dumped Judith in front of Sookie was a TOTAL douche act. And an iron-clad guarantee that Sookie’s decision to confide in Judith that she killed Lorena (DITF) will come back to bite her in the ass. Ah well. If it happens, we’ll all know who to blame ;) :lol:

    OH and don’t tell me that he didn’t know Judith was out a-lurkin’ in those trees while he was talking. Creeper is as creeper does.

    Krtmd Reply:

    Oh of course he knew. Just like he knew what he was doing during their last conversation, planting some seeds of doubt. Bill wants Sookie back, and I’m sure in his mind, Eric being off with the Queen of Oklahoma would pave Sookie’s way to his front door, this time with no one in pursuit.

    And people think we just hate on Bill. I’m only pickin’ up what CH is layin’ down.

    sheldon Reply:

    Yep Krtmd, thats exactly what I thought re the last convo! Sneaky b@stard

    Millarca Reply:

    Yeah, but Sookie’s onto him.

    KCScout Reply:

    Yes, I think Sookie finally is getting a clue about Bill. More of Bill’s character is revealed in this book than any previous, IMO.

    LKC Reply:

    I agree KC and I don’t think it’s all good. It brings back the comment from ATD that” ALL vamps are twisty and deceptive” and boy is Bill ever in this book!

    Krtmd Reply:

    And what a ‘family’ they are, eh? Lorena was obsessed with Bill, Judith’s obsessed with Bill, Bill is obsessed with Sookie. Yikes.

    KCScout Reply:

    True, but it seemed to me that Judith “got it” in a way that Lorena and Bill won’t ever. It will be interesting to see how Judith reacts. I’m not sure she will blame Sookie . . . or maybe that’s just wishful thinking.

    znb Reply:

    also loved sookies reaction to bill having sex with judith cuz she gave him her blood…..in fact….sookies reactions…and non-reaction in the naked B/S scene,were all very very telling. He is safely and securely tucked away in the friend zone in sooks head is u ask me…i dont get what the BL’s were so happy about….

    EricsRenfield Reply:

    I agree znb. Bill thought it was Christmas, Sookie thought Halloween! lol

    SVB Reply:

    :lol:

    harmony Reply:

    she is so over him, I loved when she told him she was pretty sure that if she would come, knock on the door it would be enough for her to have him…:-)

    znb Reply:

    lol!!exactly!

    Kristen Reply:

    If you guys remember, this is Bill’s second episode of passive-aggressive dumping by way of Sookie… Remember when Selah is listening in on his conversation with Sookie at the wedding in FDTW? Sookie even admits to Selah that Bill must’ve known she was there the entire time… VERY classy, Mr. Compton.

    SVB Reply:

    YUP.

    Sherry Reply:

    But that’s Bill’s character and she’s finally realized that. It took not one but two bullshit dumps by means of Sookie for her to see how Bill deals. But she’s been onto it for a while I think – like with the pity fuck he was trying to get out of her in DITF. She knows he’s trying to sew seeds of doubt about Eric but is that really anything new? That’s been going on since DUD. I think she has realized he can be just as deceptive as Eric is the way he layers his conversations with her.

    LLE Reply:

    I pick that up in book one that he was bashing how bad Eric was and that he will do anything to get her.

    Eric kill Longshadow to protect her but Bill could not understand why he did it. I thought how stupid Sookie was in those days and question why Bill did not kill Longshadow. Bill did not think Sookie was worthy to protect and Bill did the same thing in book two.

    I never seen the great love Bill had for Sookie until Sookie dump him and keeps telling her that she the most important person in his life and he would die for her.

    *C.K. Reply:

    LLE,
    There was the other time when Bill creept into the room, at Andy’s wedding, while Sookie was changing. He talked about wanting to “lay” with her again. That scene made me cringe.

    Sherry Reply:

    I also found Bill in this book more enjoyable on the page than I’ve ever seen him before. Sure he’s still twisty and deceptive but I found all the scenes he was in to be really interesting to read and full of pertinent information.

    1 – we know Bill is out of the suitor running.

    2 – he is totally receptive to passive-aggressive behavior and doesn’t care who he hurts or manipulates if it would get Sookie in his bed. He did “attempt” to develop feelings for Judith but they never surfaced.

    3 – Judith has more balls than Bill

    4 – Bill’s reservations about his associations with humans may have been due to the bad ending of his previous blood bond with a human.

    5 – He brought Sookie’s own doubts to the forefront. I don’t know if I would say anymore, having re-read the passage that he was trying to sew seeds of doubt but merely stating facts which Sookie already knew. Eric is attracted to beauty but he already has that in Sookie. But they both know that Eric likes power too and that’s not something he could find (political power) in Sookie. As a consort to the Queen he would have more power. But I don’t believe Eric’s persona would allow him to be “a consort” or whatever the vampire equivalent of that is.

    jsnider Reply:

    I agree….Bill did not bother me as much in this book as he has in others. I found his approach to Sookie here to be refreshing and a nice surprise…I still don’t want them together at all but I think he can be a friend to her in the long run.

    He did what any other character would do in his shoes…place doubt re: the competition as he sees it. The blood bond is gone therefore Eric has less claim to Sookie in just the marriage–as he said it was the bond that was important. If the roles were reversed I think Eric would manipulate in his favor as well….they are VAMPS.

    *C.K. Reply:

    I’d also like to know more about Bill’s blood bond with the human that didn’t end well. Maybe in the next book. Bill really was a douchbag to Judith. I am glad she finally stood up for herself otherwise she would have been pathetic. I am sure Bill lead her on a bit too.

    Sookie can be “rash” so what Bill said did make sense. Sookies a little more informed about the queen too.

    Freyja Reply:

    What if what Eric said about ‘Renfield humans’ in DAG is what Bill made with his blood bonded? That could be a bomb to explode later on.

    *C.K. Reply:

    Oh Freyja very interesting!

    Serena Reply:

    I do find it plausible that’s how Bill’s bonded human ended up. :lol:

    I really feel like the Renfield business was mentioned for a reason, and we’ll hear of it again regardless.

  • I really loved the Miriam/Pam storyline. I was totally shocked by this romance for Pam … and even though it was bittersweet, I thought it was a wonderful side-story.

    I think this would work really well in ‘True Blood’ and I’d love it if Alan Ball included it in Pam’s character arc eventually.

    harmony Reply:

    I loved it too, I want allway more Pam

    *C.K. Reply:

    Poor Pam. She deserves some happiness. The relationship was surprising to me too. It’s interesting that Pam is becoming a tracker.

    harmony Reply:

    I might be hopefull somehow, someday

  • EricsRenfield

    I got the book Thursday of last week & read it the very first night, then re-read it again over the weekend. I’m anxious & even a little depressed over it. So many emotions. I wanted Eric & Sookie to re-do their bond after their rocking good time on the swing, afterall she finally had the answer she desired. I know Eric said he’s trying to get out of the Agreement with Miss Oklahoma but I’m just worried he’ll be forced into it. Victor is out of the way now, so it seems the decision will be left up to Felipe. I can’t help but daydream that if only Eric gave Sookie a traditional Human Style Wedding she’d treat their commitment more seriously. I hated Bill less in this book, but I still don’t think he’s right for Sookie, he was a douche to be stalking in her woods again & then spill his guts with Judith about (he had to know she was close). After reading this book I get the feeling that Sam might be Sookie’s final match, seems like Jannalyn is thinking the same, which explains why she sent Alcide her way. Sam’s a great guy but I’ll keep hoping that it’s Eric who Sookie spends forever after with. Maybe the Cloviel dor holds the answer. I really need Book 12 ASAP.

    Peet Reply:

    I agree with everything you wrote!!!! Thank you. I thought I was going insane with all of this positive E/S talk! I was depressed reading it.

    I think using the Cloviel dor to make Eric human (or Bill human, as the B/L’s are saying) is too predictable.

    *C.K. Reply:

    I think it is predictable if Sookie ends up with Sam. IDK I just think it would be odd to have Sookie all of a suddenly realize that Sam is the love of her life. Sookie loves Eric so much and I doubt Sookie can turn off her feelings for Eric just like that(feeling she never wanted to have in the first place). It would feel like a cop out and be insulting/belittling to Eric and Sookie’s relationship. That is just my opinion. I feel that a Sam/Sookie relationship would be playing it safe. I guess anything is possible.

    Spike said in Buffy, “Love isn’t brains, children, it’s blood- blood screaming inside you to work its will” (ep. Lover’s Walk).

    Viking Dame Reply:

    I love that Spike quote! It is very apropos.

  • EricsRenfield

    Question to throw out there. I don’t get why Eric expected that he & Pam would have gone Boogie at Vampire’s Kiss bar if they had their bloods from the glasses coated with Fae blood. Claudine said many times before also that Fae blood is supposed to send Vamps crazy…. if that’s the case then why didn’t Eric go nuts after he drained Coleman at the end of DITF? He was calm & just flew off. Anyone answer that one for me please?????

    KCScout Reply:

    I don’t think Eric would have lost it but Pam, we know how she reacts to just half-elf blood. I think Victor put it in both glasses to make sure Pam got it. She was just barely keeping herself from getting killed as it was. With a little loss of control, it could have turned out very badly for everyone at Victor’s little party. If Pam went for Victor, Eric would have to do something and then Victor would have had them all right where he wanted them.

    Mony Reply:

    I think Pam would have lost it becouse she doesn’t have the control Eric has and if she went for Victor Eric would have been punished for his child and i can only guess what punishment Victor would have used, even a death punishment for Pam which could have destroyed Eric for sure.
    BUT i think Victor was testing the bond between Sookei and Eric there…and i still don’t think Amelia’s arrival was just random..AT ALL.

    EricNorthmanforever Reply:

    I was thinking the same thing EricsRenfield. Eric was all rosy and flew off just fine after he had Coleman’s blood and he’s pure Fae. I was really confused so can someone explain this to me too please???

    Krtmd Reply:

    Well, I thought:
    1. He drains Coleman, so he was full. :-)
    2. “You are my dearest.” maybe he says this both to Sookie and himself, as a reminder not to hurt her.
    3. Eric also seems to have a lot of control around fairies, perhaps because of his age?

    Kitsunegari Reply:

    After draining Coleman Sookie notes that Eric has a manic look in his eyes and that she could practically see the fae blood “zinging” in his system, so I guess that it does have an effect on Eric, but that his age and the fact that he exercises iron self-control overhimself most of the time anyway prevented him from going too wild. Pam, however, is much, much younger and for her to have fae blood might turn into the vamp equivilent of letting a teenager have the key to a liquor store.

    EricsRenfield Reply:

    but Amnesic Eric was losing it around Claudine…. it’s confusing. :S

    Mony Reply:

    Becouse Amnesia Eric wasn’t aware of who he was and how old he was, he didn’t have all the experiences “Real” Eric had, so he basically couldn’t exercise any iron self-control. Btw, Amnesia Eric was about to losing it but didn’t and he was the first time he saw a Fairy…this is very telling of what kind of man Eric is with or without his 1000 years old of memories. ;)

    SVB Reply:

    I guess this is where it comes down to learned behaviour vs instinctive behaviour.

    AE was operating very much on instinct – but even so, he still had control. When Sookie found him on the road he was physically ready to attack – but he didn’t. Even though his instincts were screaming he did manage to reign himself in. When he and Sookie made love for the first time, there was none of the violence that you’d expect from a vampire whose self control was connected to his awareness of his experiences (or in this case, lack of). When he encountered Claudine – he still managed to pull his head in, once Sookie got in his face. Again, not something you’d expect if his self control was only connected to his age.

    Amnesia doesn’t impact on instinctive behaviour – people with amnesia still know how to eat, breathe, have sex etc. They just lose the benefit of their experiences, and their knowledge of “who” they are. It’s interesting, because there’s certainly an argument to be made that Eric has gained his self control over years and years of experience….but I tend to think that DTTW showed that his self control is part of his fundamental nature. In terms of self control, Amnesia Eric and Eric were pretty much the same.

    Thinking of the scene in FDTW when Sookie met Niall, and Eric very nearly lost it after she got back in the car. It was very similar to the Claudine scene in DTTW, I think.

    *C.K. Reply:

    Also, Nial could have taught Eric a thing or two. I know Nial suppreses his scent. I guess it is mind over matter coupled with age.

  • deedums64

    Got the the book yesterday afternoon. Finished at midnight . . . Wow, what a ride!!

    This is one of best books in the series because we are finally seeing Sookie take control and she is coming into her full potential as a supe. She doesn’t regard herself as “human” anymore.

    As far as the Sookie and Eric relationship, they have a great foundation but their communication skills need some major overhaul. They have a tough ride and I cannot help but see that the next book(s) are going to show the new and improved Sookie fighting for her right to the Viking (it is looking that way to me). In addition, I think the fae are also going to play a major role in future plots.

  • Sarah

    Just finished reading DR and I’ve been in an uproar since the start of the damn thing. Sookie perving on Claude and Dermot, most everything about Sam, Amelia, breaking the blood bond, Alcide thinking with his crotch, being so completely heinous to poor Pammy, Making Terry and Bubba cry, Eric and Oklahoma, Eric after the bar fight, being so rude to the f***awesome Mr C… Sometimes I think CH hates her characters.
    I’m so completely steamed right now I can’t even put words together to talk about this thing *superpout* I’ll have to reread in a couple of days and take notes or something. I’m completely over the moon that the waiting is over, and CH did a great job – it’s definitely better than the last book, but damn… so many things that just… *sigh*

    Lor Reply:

    “Sookie perving on Claude and Dermot” that made me eww, espcially with its position in the text, just after explaining their relationship! FAMILY Sookie, FAMILY, that was just wrong!

    Sherry Reply:

    I find this excusable. They are distant enough relations – 1. and 2, There was an explicit comment on the way fairies view sexual interactions between blood relations. I find this telling of the fairy part of Sookie, who has unknowingly become more fairy because of her living situation with C & D.

    All4eric Reply:

    Just finished it too. I also was in an uproar Sarah.
    For all the same reasons. I also don’t think CH likes her characters either. I have read some of her interviews and she always seems to want to talk about her other books.
    It’s liek Sookie and the others are boring to her now.
    Maybe it’s just me, but I like everyone else waited a year for this book and I feel even though there was a lot of action and Victor is gone, not much happened. At least not where Eric and Sookie were concerned.

    Sherry Reply:

    CH was asked yesterday at the book signing who her favorite character was. She stated explicitly that she LOVES all her characters. Why? Because they ALL came from her head and she absolutely loves writing them. Pam is one of her favorites to write since she’s so sarcastic.

  • Merit

    Start reading now see you in about 24 hours.

  • Morgan Jane

    Finished in 6 hours on no sleep… not enough Viking! The rest was “interesting” besides Bill naked… that was a bone thrown to TB fans… :/ I think Ch doesn’t understand her fans or the characters she has created… Bill taking Sookie home after Eric/Pam killed Victor for her… Sookie is so stupid, she could move in with Eric but would rather be part of bon temps and watch people have babies… and keep house with Fairies that are out to get her?
    Is CH trying to make her into Anita Blake… whore to all the supes? Especially with the Shaman thing and Eric’s “wife”…
    The blood bond was awesome dynamic to the story… just gone… and soon the marriage will be too… maybe Sookie and Dermot will hook up? Totally hinted to that!
    And what was with the revisionist history about Eric and Niall…WTF? She just killed the Eric and Sookie relationship… I think Sam will be your winner in the end… gag!!!

    LLE Reply:

    Why would Sookie want to hook up her great-uncle Dermot? That would be gross having sex with your uncle.

    Sookie realizing what the relationship that she has with Sam and that is being a best friend. Sam really does not understand her at all and they really don’t have much in common.

    CH has been invested in writing Sookie and Eric and they are so much in common. The only suitor that gets her is Eric

    Morgan Jane Reply:

    I should of put a disclaimer that this was my extremely disappointed to be left hanging for a year rant :

    I do not want her to hook up with Dermot (I was being sarcastic but it is hard to tell, sorry) it has been said too many times that it wouldn’t matter to the fairies if they were related..ewww…
    Sam says Dermot treats her like a queen etc…
    Why all the hints… her oogling them??

    I think there is too much invested in Eric to go any other way… that is why this all has thrown me for a loop… and I am loopy right now, I haven’t slept…
    But I think CH killed it with the scene at the end… Sookie said it changed their relationship… BTW CH tried to compare Eric to Bill too much, suddenly Niall and Eric were spying on Sookie before the time that was originally said? And Eric has to obey his maker… why not just forgive Bill… she doesn’t mind getting all naked with him… I wanted to puke!

    Too many mentions of Jannalynn not being good enough for Sam and Eric not being good enough for Sookie… where is all this going? Towards Sookie and Sam in the end? I hope not!

    I wanted to Kill Ameilia, But CH wanted that darn blood bond gone …. so Sookie is fair game not really Eric’s anymore. If she starts being a prude and not letting someone drink her blood and drinking some … it isn’t much fun anymore is it?

    LLE Reply:

    I am glad that the blood bond is broken and Sookie realizing that she loves Eric not through the blood bond. Sookie had fallen for Eric long time ago and makes excuses.

    Sookie don’t like Jannalyn at all because she’s bad news for anyone. Sookie hates seeing close friend getting involved with a bad person. Sam don’t like vampires at all and the only reason he don’t like Eric.

    It’s does not surprise me that Eric had a spy for information about Sookie. It’s not surprise to me about Eric working Niall at all. That was not big bomb to me at all. Sookie uses Bubba the same way Eric use Terry they do have so much common after all.

    Book 12, I do see Sookie going to fight the Queen over Eric because she loves him and that would make a good story.

    Mony Reply:

    CH didn’t hate the blood-bond, she actually really liked it but since fans kept asking her about how it did work and wanted a formula she decided it was time to break it. Check her interview at Eric Northman.Net in this site ;)

    She made a lot of parallels between Eric and Bill…and they all favored Eric imo….the paralles are there now it’s our time to decide and think about why CH made them…and if you ask me it’s a pretty positive thing since he proved one more time how Eric is soooo not Bill LOL

    I don’t think most of the time that my friend’s GF are good enough for them and sometimes im actually right, that doesn’t mean im in love with them ,)

    Lor Reply:

    You’re right about the parallels, the bit that hit me between the eyes was Bill’s declaration of love and the reasons why. It pales in comparison to what Eric said in DTTW, which ties in with SVB’s review “Memo to Bill: When you find yourself recycling the Viking to bring a woman around – and even THAT isn’t working for you – it’s time to reassess your game plan.”

    Mony Reply:

    It pales even more becouse Bill did a description of the the things he thinks Sookie is or the things he usually loves in every woman (he thought she was kind and polite like his human wife! LOL) while Eric, without knowing her, made a list that completely described what/how Sookie is and most of all what Sookie never thought she was before. His description was perfect, he described the love for life, her joy de vivre, her love for adventures (which tied to her experience in the Supe’s World too) and so on…So yeah, my score is Viking 100 – Compton -5 LOL

    LovetheViking Reply:

    Re the whole admiring families bodies, it seems to have been hinted that there are very few female fairies. Even though Sookie is only part fae I think that this is going to bought into the open in either of the next two books. Is it possible that the fairies are hanging around Sookie because they want to create more baby fairies even if they are hybrids. This was the first thought that popped into my mind. Therefore it is not just the cd with attracts Claude and Dermot?

    Millarca Reply:

    I thought of the breeding thing, and I think Sam did, too. Being near her fae relatives makes her more fae. I’m with Sam: there’s some secret fairy plot afoot. I’m not sure about Dermot, but I don’t trust that Claude.

    LovetheViking Reply:

    I’m with you Millarca. I don’t trust Claude one bit either. I would love to know what is up with Hooligans. Dermot seems a bit lost between worlds to me, but he does know what Claude is up too. As usual Sam knows a lot more than he is letting on.

    WaitingForSunday Reply:

    That whole big about the fae being able to impersonate people made me worried. Fintan masqueraded as Earl, had sex with Adele and begat two children. Was that really Alcide in Sookie’s bed, or a fae impersonating him? If the fae is planning on using Sookie in a breeding program, they could impersonate someone close to Sookie. I’ll stop. I’m starting to freak myself out.

    SVB Reply:

    Fintan impersonating Sookie’s GF was admittedly freaky – but I think the key point there was that Adele knew, on an instinctive level, that was what he was doing. She admits that in her letter.

    I think that was Alcide, in all of his packmaster, egomaniac shame in her bed. I really can’t see why CH would be planting something further with Alcide. We’re so close to the end, she needs to pare down the field.

    I thought she outed the Furry One in the last book – but responses to that indicate that she wasn’t decisive enough. This was the Death Knell.

    IATM Reply:

    i agree & since we know Preston had a gift of shape shifting it makes me wonder if Niall simply wanted to get the Sook knocked up Fae style :-)

    but Adel did know about Fintin & i think that was clear nonetheless..Gran pushed Sookie into dating Billy back in DUD.. i guess Gran was more open minded then Sookie ever thought..LOL !!

    SVB Reply:

    Yeah, I’m definitely thinking that there’s a breeding agenda going on here. There’s too much pointing in that direction.

    Normally the shorts have minimal impact on the storyline – but Gift Wrap is absolutely REEKING right now. There were hints in DITF….but they became sledgehammers in DR.

    And especially Niall, my great-grandfather; it seemed I was always on the verge of remembering something about him, something really tricky. I shook my head impatiently. Not the time to worry about that.

    Pretty tricky that your GFF set you up to have unprotected naughties with a full blooded fae – with the benefit of a spell that ensured you wouldn’t remember it. Eh Sook??

    And don’t even start me on how Preston parallels AE.

    Niall knows his kin, that’s all I’m sayin’.

    Freyja Reply:

    In DITF Sookie was trying to remember the Preston incident, but she couldn’t. That’s where I really started thinking something is not right with the fairies. And now after DR, not even Dermot can be trusted. Even though he’s probably as harmless as a fairy can be, he’s dangerous because they really have no morals.
    They are worse than the vampires IMO. Vampires were humans once and have kept some of their human feelings, sense of love and morals. But fairies are and never were humans, their morals is pretty sick for even vampires.

    harmony Reply:

    I just read Gift wrap OMG!!!!

    jayetea Reply:

    @WFS – I had the same exact thought about the Alcide in Sookie’s bed maybe not being the real Alcide, but I think SVB is right…at least, I hope she is!!

    wahoozit Reply:

    There was a hint there that the Fae left behind weren’t just unlucky. Perhaps this is where any dissenters have been exiled to.

    Sherry Reply:

    That is a very interesting theory.

    *C.K. Reply:

    LovetheViking, I thought the same thing. I was glad Sookie kicked Claude out. I wish she would have kicked Dermot out too. He looks like her brother that is just gross. I just got creepy vibes after Sam seemed concerned about them living with her. The Finton/impersonation thing was beyond disturbing. I was thinking could they impersonate Eric? I think/hope that Sookie would be able to tell if they could unless they enchanted her.

    *C.K. Reply:

    Plus, Eric would flip sh** and kill Claude and Dermot. Niall is a sneaky bastard. He could have written a letter to Claude. Niall said Eric was a good guy so that would be extremely messed up to do that but I would not put a thing past Niall.

    Dee Reply:

    Oh the image lol Dermot looks IDENTICAL to Jason so yeah that is just weird. No hints at all because I don’t think CH is THAT twisted lol

    Peet Reply:

    I hear you loud and clear and it hurts!!

    EricsRenfield Reply:

    It took 8.5 books to get them together… they deserve HEA. Eric & Sookie fit. Sam is in the BFF zone IMO, felt like CH hinted at that to throw us all off the track & put us in a tizz. As for Uncle Dermott… ewwww!

    *C.K. Reply:

    This might sound out there but after Sam’s conversation with Sookie about fairies, I was wondering if Claude or Dermot wanted to get Sookie pregnant. Sam mentioned that they shouldn’t be naked around her. Sam could have just been a little jeleaous but still. There are not many fae women left so maybe they would take what chance they could get. There was a lot of talk about fae disception. Sookie even mentioned that she sometimes felt she was on the verge of discovering something about Nial (I think the Preston incident). The scary thing is that fae can glammer/enchant Sookie. What is really going on at Hooligans? There has to be more to it.

    Mony Reply:

    “Is CH trying to make her into Anita Blake… whore to all the supes? ” – im sorry but i disagree.
    #1 Anita is not a whore. It’s the world she lives in that has these rules, the arduer and everything are a big part of her world so she is not a whore, she is not a romantic heroine that’s for sure and despite the fact that i stopped read her some books ago im never called a whore since i got the rules of the worls she is part of.

    #2 – Where did you get the impression that Sookie is the whore of all supes? Becouse im sure these are not scenes in the books ive read. I never read a scene where Sookie slept with more than one man in a book and i never saw her have sex with some random Supes either…she had 3 men in her life, in 2 years, and she always was pretty much committed to all of them and now she is in a stable relationship with Eric, not that everything is fine between them becouse there are majors issues, but they are a couple…and Bill, Alcide and Quinn are out of the running. (and Sam too, he really never was IN the running btw LOL)

    About the Niall/Eric thing: well she already knew from book 8 that they both knew each others from a very long time, she didn’t ask “How long?” becouse she trusted Eric and she was right in that so i don’t see where is the drama, really. He told Niall he has a telepath with him and Niall put 2+2 together and realized the big mistake he made years ago when he didn’t realize she had the essential spark while visiting her and Jason.
    He did that so he could have a favour from the Fairy Prince, Eric is a business man after all and he didn’t knew Sookie and actually never altered her life while protecting her (very different from what Bill had done for QSA).
    CH made some good paralles betwenn Bill and Eric in the last 2 books and it was to show us how different they were and they are while the lived the same situation ;)

    Im not saying Eric was right to not tell her about Terry, absolutely not, but Sookie is like Eric and she got why he did that and she actually did the same with the Victor plan usign the weakest guy she knew: Bubba.

    Sam is just there to remember her how far she went since book 1 and how far she will go while he just sit there not accepting all the supes stuff and not helping her at all. That’s why CH didn’t kill him off…yet.

    ps: I just thought that Eric might have used the favour from Niall in book 8, to remember his time with Sookie… :O I don’t think it’s a coincidence Niall met Sookie and Eric remembered his time with her…it was like “I let you meet Sookie, now it’s time to use that favour”…

    harmony Reply:

    great idea that eric ask niall to have the memory back as favor!!!

    ilovevampires Reply:

    ICAM, Mony!! WORD!!

    Sookie is and never will be a “whore” just because she doesn’t have it in her. She has more self-respect than that.

    I’m glad their bond is gone. Sookie needed to see for herself, her feelings for Eric were real and true. She may have suspected it, but I think sometimes Sookie needs to experience things for herself.

    Yeah, too much Sam and Bill in this book (although I agree with SVB) he had some good points to make in regards to Sookie. If only she will listen. WTF was up with Alcide? That came out of nowhere, but it was funny! LOL I think we can take him off the list of eligible bachelors! LOL

    The ending for me, wasn’t as bad as some are saying. Maybe because I had an ARC and had a few days to take it all in and think about it…but it’s really not bad. Sookie is in a state of shock after the fight was won. She’s really in no mood to engage in any kind sexual celebrations with Eric because her emotions are scattered all over the place. She saw too much killing and she wants to absorb it all. When Eric took her blood, it reminded me a lot of when they were forced into the blood blond in book 7 the first time.

    I’m curious to see what she’ll do with the Queen of Oklahoma. I hope she fights for Eric! :) This book leaves many questions answered, but leaves just as many open.

    It’s a lot to talk about for the next year – until the next book comes out! This should keep all of us occupied! LOL

    Morgan Jane Reply:

    Maybe I should explain… Whore, seems harsh for Sookie since she isn’t one (I guess I am meaning being whored out to everyone… and every important leader wanting her) Anita Blake is all so important to everyone in her Supernatural world and the idea of Sookie being Shaman for the Weres (even if she rightly told Alcide off and hasn’t yet), being friend of the pack, being friend of Calvin, being more important in the Fae world than she realized, having that strange love token and being female and of Brigant line, being so vaulable to vamps for being a telepath, being Eric’s wife and possibily the King’s new pet or protege against her will, being part of some demon/fairy secret friendship gift exchange… is reminding me of Anita and her many roles… and I wanna roll my eyes!

    It is the possible Shaman role that pushed me over the edge in feeling this way. I thought “she could be pack member and vampire wife”… sounds familar…

    I don’t think Sookie is a whore but she is looking and laughing… at Bill’s advances and enjoying compliments.. nothing wrong with that. But she would tear out Eric’s hair if he was with another?

    I am glad Sookie was harsh with Alcide. She has been a big pushover before. But it was meantioned that he went about it the wrong way, and she was quick to joke/flirt with him too as she is with Sam. How would she feel if Eric did this… her constant stroking of egos(of Alcide, Bill and Sam) make her seem interested…

    Serena Reply:

    I’m still not sure why Sookie, despite the logic of removing clothing to prevent getting raindrops in Bill’s house, did not keep her bra and panties on? Erm.. Would they really drip so much? *headscratching.* I don’t really buy it, but others did, and that was CH’s point I have to believe. ;) :lol:

    I don’t think it is revisionist history about Eric and Niall, this is bomb that needs some digesting IMO. Sookie knew Eric had someone watching her previously, she admitted as much in Dead Reckoning. Sookie also knew that Niall was keeping secrets from her (and probably still is), as Niall admitted that to her in Dead and Gone.

    To me, it was an important nugget that CH established in DR that fairies don’t boldface lie, though Claude does have a way of working around the spirit of what he’s spewing, he never directly lies to her and by extension I don’t think Niall ever lied in what he told her, namely when Niall told Sookie in From Dead to Worse that Eric only just previously learned of his relation to Sookie. I think that has to be truthful. And while I don’t trust Niall always doing the “right thing” in an understanding Sookie can always manage (see the short story “Gift Wrap”), I do trust Niall in his intentions towards Sookie – I don’t think his intentions are nefarious, even if they are at times ambiguous. According to CH, Niall loves Sookie and means well, though he does not share the same morality as Sookie, which I think is an pertinent point in regards to DR because the narrative concerns itself so much with Sookie dealing with her own morality.

    What I think the Eric and Niall situation boils down to is, Eric told Niall (while they were doing whatever business they have on the side) that there was a telepath in his area before Dead to the World, seeing as that was Claudine’s first appearance in Sookie’s life, and interestingly only after the sheriff suddenly gets amnesia and is out of commission for awhile. Eric might have even known her name before DUD, but the full exposition of the essential spark and Sookie’s inherited gift from Mr. Cataliades suggests Niall put the pieces together that Sookie was part fae and did not share; telepathy is a demon trait and anyone who didn’t know of the arrangement between Fintan and Mr. Cataliades would not think she was part Fae – merely because she was a telepath.

    I think the biggest question is when did Eric know Sookie was part fairy. Of course by ATD he knew that a fairy prince was interested in her livelihood and Eric might have suspected the relation when he asked Sookie if she had a fairy grandparent in ATD, but I think Eric’s guess of ‘grandparents’ very likely has more to do with his knowledge of fairy genetics than it does his knowledge of Niall and his possible connection to Sookie, for again according to CH, after the half fairy designation, part fairy descendants become just ‘part fae’ and ‘live normal human lifespans.’

    So all in all, I don’t think Eric was sitting on the fact that he knew who she was and kept her identity from her. I think that is just not what the text supports. And at the end of the day, I don’t think this connection to Niall is that big a deal. LOL.

    As for Eric as the HEA, I think this book let Sookie see all his wrinkles and facets that are included in his makeup – I just don’t see Sookie with any other suitor but Eric. :)

    KCScout Reply:

    That gives a whole new meaning to Eric’s comment when Sookie tells him about being related to Niall. “That explains a lot” might also mean that it explains Niall’s previous interest in Sookie instead of, as Sookie took it to mean, that it explains Eric’s attraction to her.

    SVB Reply:

    Exactly KC.

    And Sookie actually mentioned as far back as DAAD that she thought someone was informing on her. Eric knew that the FBI had come to Merlotte’s to speak with her before Sookie had mentioned a word to him, and she thinks it to herself then. This comment has been part of my Sam conspiracy theories for a long time, as it pinpointed the source of Eric’s information as being someone in Merlotte’s :lol: .

    I suspect that when we have a chance to go back we will find a few similar hints that seemed meaningless before.

    jayetea Reply:

    I also thought Sookie getting completely naked seemed slightly unneccesary, although if she was really that soaked through, the underwear could have left drips on the floor. Also, in terms of Bill’s behavior, which I must commend him on there generally, I don’t think he would have found Sookie in bra and panties any less enticing than fully nude Sookie or really fully clothed Sookie. That was a brave but potentially reckless thing to do on her part, but I was glad for her that being down there with Bill was not a traumatizing experience for her and in that situation, she made the right choice to save her own ass.

    I agree with your take on the Niall/Eric relationship, Serena. I don’t think it’s that surprising; it’s actually completely logical.

    Viking Dame Reply:

    I agree in large part and I also don’t see the Eric/Niall thing as being any big reveal.

    In DITF Naeve or Lochlan mention that Niall had behaved while Fintan was alive but that once he was dead Niall sought out Sookie. I think that Niall wanted to know about Sookie, if she had the essential spark or just who she was as a person. He couldn’t watch her directly or even put another fae on her just yet b/c it will attract unwanted attention from his enemies and he’s not ready for that yet, especially if he’s not 100% sure about her. So he needs someone else to watch her, to observe & report, someone who can be discreet. Who better than the vampire Sheriff of the area in which she resides? So I can totally see Niall approaching Eric at some point in the past (maybe even before DUD) and making the request. I don’t think for a second that Niall would have given Eric ANY specific details about why he wanted her watched at this point. That just would not be smart for a powerful, centuries old Fae Prince to do.

    We already knew that Eric and Niall had known each other prior. We also know that in whatever capacity they’d known each other that “Eric has been helpful to me in the past…” We learned that in either FDTW/DAG. We just didn’t know how long they’d known each other. That’s all we’re finding out now so it’s not really a huge deal IMO.

    I can see Eric agreeing to do it initially to, as Claude says, curry favor with Niall. He undoubtedly knew who Niall was, a fae prince and all. And the supe world operates on a tit-for-tat system. Being Eric, he knows that if he helps this powerful fae he will have a favor in the bank for some later date. It’s very much like Sookie garnering favors with the various supe races for helping them out. She calls in her markers with FDC and Alcide in DAG when she needs protection. That’s how the supes roll, lol. So I don’t see any issue with Eric’s and Niall’s initial arrangement. And like I said, I don’t think that Niall told Eric any specifics about why.

    Now, Eric being Eric, I’m sure that he wonders why Niall cares about a barmaid in Bon Temps. He might report to Niall at some point that Sookie is a telepath which might mean something to Niall if it’s somehow tied to being fae (unclear if Niall knew about Mr. C’s gift – which would only take root in someone with the essential spark), but I don’t think Eric knows this just yet. I don’t think that Eric knows she’s fae at all until Sookie tells him. That’s when he has his “light bulb” moment, saying that it explains many things. Sookie takes it the wrong way, thinking that he’s referring to it explaining why he could ever be attracted to her at all. But she’s wrong. Eric has just discovered the reason that Niall wants Sookie watched. But even at that point I don’t think Eric knew they were kin, only that she has fae blood.

    I too think Niall was telling the truth when he said that Eric only knew just before bringing her to the restaurant to meet him. He even states that Eric wouldn’t agree to bring her until he told him why he wanted to see her. Niall has no reason to lie on Eric’s behalf, plus I doubt that he would have trusted Eric, a vampire and therefore a natural enemy of the fae, with that information until he was 100% satisfied that he could trust Eric. “I had to know him better.” And this also is more evidence that Eric was the vampire referred to at the end of DITF – “The vampire is a good man. And he loves you.” He knows this b/c he has seen how Eric has acted towards his GGD, how he has protected her. That’s how he knew he could trust Eric with information that his fae enemies could use against him.

    IATM Reply:

    @ Viking Dame..

    i like how you explained that .. & that does make sense.. because i was shaking my head when i was reading that like where is CH going with this Niall & Eric stuff??

    Mony Reply:

    It’s quite possible that he started to watch over her at the end of DUD, that’s why, then, he wanted to go to Dallas even if she was well protected with Bill and then in Jackson even if Alcide was with her… becouse he had to watch over her for Niall…while she normally lived her life (that’s the most important part in all of this) ;)

    Viking Dame Reply:

    Good point Mony. That’s the huge difference b/t Bill’s mission and what Niall asked Eric to do. Bill was sent with the specific task of procuring Sookie, of getting her to the Queen. The way he chose to go about doing that was to ingratiate himself into her life, to seduce her, to get her to fall for him, to trust him. It involved emotional manipulation and IMO this is what Sookie was most hurt by.

    By contrast, Eric was tasked with basically an observe and report mission. He didn’t have to interact with Sookie at all or have any 1:1 dealings with her. He didn’t have to alter her life one bit to do what Niall wanted. And he didn’t. Sookie was free to go on about her normal life w/o interruption or interference from him. He never sought out Sookie. It was Bill who brought her into his orbit. That’s when he started to take interest in her for his own reasons and the more he knew her the more he appreciated her spunk. But for Bill, Eric and Sookie probably would never have met.

    Thanks Bill! lol

    LLE Reply:

    Sookie would had met Eric even if Bill did show up in her life because of the serial killers killing women who slept with vampires. The police thought Jason did it and Sookie solve the murder case. Those two would had met no matter what and Bill came into her life first.

    Dee Reply:

    I don’t mind the whole Niall and Eric reveal. Look at what Terry said, he said that he was to make sure nobody hurt Sookie. They were protecting her, making sure nothing bad happens to her. We also have Eric to thank for Claudine bc he felt she needed more protection. He wasn’t in a relationship with her, didn’t know her for long and already was trying to ensure her safety and looking out for her. Sookie always likes to point out how Eric doesn’t randomly care about humans, but here he was looking out for Sookie.

    I don’t see it at all as the same thing Bill did with the mission. First of all, Sookie had no clue about this, but the terry/eric situation, she said she knew Eric had someone watch her while she was with Bill and even after. This wasn’t a big shock for her, she just did not know it was Terry. Not only that but it’s a huge difference from Bill starting a relationship under false pretenses, and all because he was sent to seduce her so somebody can use Sookie for their own benefit. Eric didn’t start a relationship with her for this reason, he didn’t put on an act in order to protect her. He just had someone watch her and make sure she was ok. Bill did it for someone who did not have Sookie’s best interest at heart, Eric did it for Sookie’s protection only and not for someone else’s own use of Sookie.

    This reveal did not change her whole world like the bill mission did. She did not question if anything Eric did or say was real, it did not change the nature of their relationship at all. Eric being with Sookie is based just on the fact that he loves her, and she doesn’t question his love.

    IATM Reply:

    Right i totaly agree.. but i have 1 thing to add Claudine first made her apperance in the books in CD.. Sookie met her while she bumped into Tara & Tara was telling Sookie about her new car & Sookie can have her old one & Tara was telling her about her new Boyfriend Franklin Mott.. Claudine was there during that conversation but Sookie didnt know much about Claudine.. so Niall sent at that time.. which means Eric told him about Sookie or a Telepath in his area.. something to what you said in your post.. i think Claude told Sookie in DR that Niall felt Sookie was withering or something..

    IATM Reply:

    the incest crap wasent interesting to me at all in DR..

    CH has Eric & Niall knowing eachother from way back to the point that it appears it either contradicts what she wrote in DD when Andre told Sookie that she was part fae & Sookie then told Eric she was part Fae..

    so basically CH wrote Eric a serious liar in DR since he knew that Sookie was related to Niall way before she told him in DD & before Niall met her face to face in FDTW.. what a joke IMO..

    Sherry Reply:

    You are all assuming that Eric and Niall showed up at Terry’s place AT THE SAME TIME. NOPE.

    “They come to my trailer at night, for months, that big blond one AND THEN the shining one.”

    To me that doesn’t sound like they’re both coming at the same time. In fact, it seems like Eric started keeping tabs on Sookie long before Niall. They both just used the person who was the easiest to control. Both of them knowing power, know who to pick out and use.

    I would argue that Eric started keeping tabs on Sookie somewhere between DUD and LDID. Vamps don’t give out their blood all willy-nilly. I think he was already tending to mark Sookie as a future child (since she had already become an asset at that point). Dallas just proved the earliest convenience to get his blood in her since he couldn’t glamour her. Remember, the last person he gave blood to was Pam. Coincidence? I think not. Just because Pam doesn’t remember meeting Eric until he turned her doesn’t mean she didn’t.

    There is no saying what the time difference is between when Eric started talking to Terry and when Niall did. One could speculate Niall started shortly before DTTW since it marks Claudine’s appearance.

    When did Niall show up and start asking questions about Sookie? I would wager somewhere around Club Dead. Sookie talks about the fairies when Eric comes over to deal with the Micky situation. “That explains a lot.” – Sudden Niall interest. Faries are showing up and asking questions about Sookie? Eric’s no fool.

    Krtmd Reply:

    Good point about Pam, Sherry. In fact, I heard/read an interview with CH where she says that Eric had his eye on Pam for quite some time before he turned her.

    Slightly OT, but once the Terry/Niall connection was revealed I flashed back to the strange exchange between Sookie, Terry and Claude about the hot water heater in DITF. Makes me think someone was continuing the Terry spying mission on behalf of the fairies.

    cookie Reply:

    TOTALLY WORD.Also I’m not quite sure if erwants to turn her .he said on his way home….
    i like you alive,warm …

    so i guess he didn’t considered at all as a potential child..

    Sherry Reply:

    Not right now he doesn’t. He is totally willing to turn her and he pretty much went off in that direction probably until he figured out Niall was related to her.

    But now he’s leaving it as her choice which I think is a good thing because she would come to resent him if he turned her without consent.

    cookie Reply:

    so right now he doesn’t only because she is related to niall..
    then why do i think that when he was saying pam will leave him to ..he says she his other good choices…i still don’t get it.so does He think sookie could be a good back up company plan when pam leaves if she leave just his other child was at the time?,I know he has other child .We know he made it only because he felt lonely with pam gone.maybe that’s what charlaine harris was refering to about pam coming first.by that i mean he really doesn’t want sookie at all as a vampire.
    Maybe he loves sookie as “his”. “warm ,alive and wiggling”
    Although I liked the idea that he wants her in every way…

    Sherry Reply:

    I was saying that from the time between DUD and LDID Eric had already decided she would be a worthy child at some point. Also that he would have probably turned her whether she wanted to be turned or not because remember – this is still the pretty ruthless Eric who isn’t all that concerned with Sookie’s safety or what her wants are.

    I think he rethought offering her a choice when he found out she was related to Niall because if the Fairy price found out his great-granddaughter was turned against her will, he would be one very finally dead viking.

    The thing he says about them being his good choices are because they are both ruthless – Sookie will do anything to protect those she loves. They both have very similar personalities to Eric and they are both loyal. In DITF Eric says there are only two people he trusts out of everyone he knows (and he knows a lot of people) are Pam and Sookie. They are the only two he can feel safe with.

    VikingDame Reply:

    Didn’t Claude say though that Niall visited Jason as a baby, found he didn’t have the ES and never went back to check on Sookie when she was born b/c he just assumed that she didn’t either? If Niall knew about Jason’s birth, I’m sure he knew about Sookie’s. So he’s known about Jason and Sookie (and probably Hadley too) for all of their lives. He even tells Sookie that he’s known about her family for 60 years, and that he saw Adele when she was pregnant with Sookie’s dad.

    He just didn’t interfere more at that time b/c 1) he found no ES and 2) Fintan didn’t want him too. In DAG Thing 2 tells Sookie:

    “While Fintan hid the knowledge of you an d your brother(not so well as it turned out), Niall behaved himself, but when we removed Fintan – ”

    So it was Fintan’s death that finally prompted Niall to step forward and meet Sookie face to face but he’s likely been monitoring her for her whole life. I doubt that Eric has been the one doing that monitoring as I don’t think a savvy prince like Niall would want to show his hand until he was more certain that Sookie merited it, i.e. had the ES.

    IATM Reply:

    Right Viking,

    Claude told Sookie in DR that Eric mentioned something about Sookie being in danger & that Niall felt Sookie was withering so Niall sent Claudine to watch over Sookie..

    Basically during the business dealing that Niall & Eric had going on had to be in the eailer books since Claudine doesnt show up till CD.. once Andre tasted Sookie in DD & told her she was part Fae Sookie told Eric & that is why Eric responded ” ““that explains a lot”.. he figured out why Niall was so interested in Sookie is how i took that info.. & Niall in FDTW told Sookie : ” that Eric wouldnt let him meet Sookie face to face untill he told him why he wanted her”..

    so with the info we have this far i dont think Niall told Eric much about his interest in Sookie in the early books..

    KCScout Reply:

    I think it began with the maenad apology;) A thousand year old vampire crafts a beautiful apology for a barmaid because the first wasn’t good enough. And guess what I just realized? The maenad apology was early in BOOK 2!

  • NorthernSoul

    Thanks for the spoiler warning, SVB! I’m waiting for my copy, not without some anguish to ship
    From Amazon. I’m bypassing all the comments here and anything online that may contain spoilers
    because I want to be surprised. I’m excited and nervous, and can’t wait to discuss! Happy reading, fellow Rabids!

  • glamored

    I just finished and am really processing jt all–and it’s a lot to process! Now, I’m going to read the reviews and discussions i have ben avoiding. Wow! Just, wow!

    Skarlove Reply:

    Northern Soul & Glamored – I’m in the same boat. Just finished (later than anticipated due to RL crap) and am now devouring these comments like crazy! It’s almost too much, lolol! I’ve got 9 pages of notes I’m trying to decipher answers for w/everyone’s collaboration. :)

  • Rat

    I think I spent far too much time muttering that Sookie needs to use the Cloviel dor to make Eric human. All the vamp politics would be irrelevant and it would certainly make the whole HEA without her getting turned easier. I need to reread it, though. It may be the lack of sleep combined with my own wishful thinking.

    Lor Reply:

    That would be a nice HEA, and I imagine it will feature in fanfiction soon, but in reality (and by that I mean the books, I’m not quite there yet on the obsession scale ;) ) Eric loves being a vampire too much, and I don’t know if he’d forgive her easily for changing him.

    Sherry Reply:

    CH has stated explicitly in the books that Sookie can’t be with a human since she can read their thoughts. Making Eric human would nullify her interest once she’s able to get into his head completely. When they are intimate and her shields are down she can’t block anything coming from his head. They wouldn’t last.

  • alexNr1fan

    Hi everybody,i’m living on a steady diet of spoilers starting today,unfortunately i’m not gonna be able to read my book till the end of this month as I live in Spain and had pre-ordered DR along with the HBO’s 3 seasons true blood set,hence the delay so may 26th can’t come soon enough for me!! For the time being,i’m extremely happy being able to taste what this book’s gonna be like and i’m loving what i’m reading from you, i’m a devoted eric fan and have my hopes on a Sookie/eric HEA by the end of the series, I’m also in favor of them renewing the blood bond, i just loved it, i’m so happy she finally found out that she loves him on her own, omg I was cheering when i read this.I’m so looking forward to reading mine, i have reread all 10 books twice already waiting for DR.
    Thank you all for your wonderfull insights

  • Paloma

    Ok. Just bought it about 20 minutes ago so I’m not where everyone else is, yet, BUT, did anyone thing it strange that Sookie said that Pam was the only child of Eric’s that she’s ever met? He doesn’t have anymore children, does he? Weird…

    Mony Reply:

    He did have another child, a woman, Pam said that he turned her becouse he probably felt alone after his last child left him. It’s in All Together Dead ;)
    CH said that we might meet another Eric’s child but nothing confirmed yet. I guess he has more than just one child btw, he is very old.

    Paloma Reply:

    Ahhh I remember that now! Thanks Mony!!

    znb Reply:

    oh i thought Pam was the only one….but i think that was just because eric said that whole thing about Pam being one of his great choices n sookie being the other…..

    Adrienne Reply:

    I completely forgot that Eric had another child. I wonder how come CH didn’t bring this child into the picture when they were all suffering in DITF from Alexei. Surely distance wouldn’t make a difference as they’re all connected by blood… Or maybe they’re dead and Ch has had no reason to bring it up. I can’t really remember if anything factored in since it’s been so long since I read DITF lol.

    Sherry Reply:

    I suspect that the other child Eric made was not done as consciously as he made Pam. His choice in Pam was made very carefully and his first child was probably not done like that. I also suspect that he made a lot mistakes with his first child, which is why there is a lot of talk of loyalty with Pam and why he’s never asked his first child to come back.

  • katy

    where can i find the free pdf to download,please?

    Serena Reply:

    Sorry, we can’t link you to any downloads on this blog.

    If you’re an international reader, Kobo e-books do not have restrictions and are available for anyone to purchase. :)

    EricsRenfield Reply:

    Amazon sell the Kindle version for under US $10. The Kindle app for PC & other devices is available for free via the Amazon site. Cheers.

    MajDenmark Reply:

    Katy, theres a few ways to go around this :)

    Since I’m from Denmark I’ve been frequently pissed at amazon for having to many restrictions.
    Now, any of the sites I looked at besides Amazon unfortunately also stopped me, including Kobo and Ebookstore (They claim to be international but I was stopped when I tired to purchase the e-book because I wasn’t from UK or US)

    Presuming you have a smartphone follow this:
    1. download the kindle app to amazon
    2. create an account. MAKE sure you select UK or US areas whenever asked about it.
    3. Buy the kindle version via your phone
    4. Download kindle to your computer
    5. Transfer the kindle-version on your phone to your pc and wupti is on there.

    Its not a pdf-version but as good as.

    As far as completely free version, I’ve already checked and know its out there but I deliberately don’t want to help you since its illegal and disrespectful against CH – and she is a genius that needs to be honored.

    SVB Reply:

    We don’t allow the posting of torrent links on this site anyway.

  • IncreasinglyObsessed

    I’m curious about what people think Sookie will end up using the cloviel dor for. At first its power seemed limitless which is why they were so rare and she was warned about its potential consequences. Then Cataliades reveals that she can’t use it to change herself and as she guesses others. She also has to use it for something or someone she loves which pretty much narrows it down to Eric, Jason, Hunter, Niall, Dermot and Claude (am I missing anyone? Bill?). We’re pretty sure she can’t use it to give herself a longer life, make Eric human or her some other kind of supe etc. She probably can’t bring anyone back to life either (right?) I just worry she’s going to end up using it for something mundane like opening up a portal back into Faery. I guess I would prefer that she doesn’t use it at all, realizing that she can’t fix her problems or the problems of others with a magical get out of jail free card.

    Curious parallels:
    Adele Stackhouse’s husband was infertile and if Sookie stays with Eric as his wife, she can’t have children with him either unless history repeats itself and she finds another biological father (a fae?) and raises the child with Eric. This seems a little out there and maybe she will choose to be morally superior than her grandmother and accept that she can’t have children.

    Dermot probably feels a lot like Sookie does – not totally human and not totally supe (fae in his case). I think he’s an interesting foil and hope he figures out a way to be happy.

    Sookie hates Jannalynn and Sam hates Eric. Maybe they’ll both decide to be less critical of the other’s partner. Some supes just can’t help being violent. Is it just me or is CH suggesting that Sookie needs to accept the violence present in Eric’s life?

    Lor Reply:

    I don’t quite get Sookie’s hatred of Jannalynn. I mean maybe she rubbed her up the wrong way, but hatred? Did I miss something in an earlier book? Sure she’s tough and a bit violent, but Sook hangs around with all sorts of violent supes and doesn’t judge them nearly as much. Maybe she’s just scared/in denial about how much of herself she sees in her, or still has this preconceived notion that Sam is only on the edge of the supe community, still mostly “human”, forgetting that he’s been in battles too, and therefore thinks Jannalynn’s bad for him. I thought Sam and Jannalynn were sweet as a couple – like that moment in the bar after the took down those 4 thugs, and things Sam says about her and does for her. I don’t know why Sookie can’t see that? But then maybe that’s the point, she’s hypocritical for being annoyed at Sam’s unfound hatred of Eric?

    LovetheViking Reply:

    Lor I hate to say it, but I think it is part jealousy. Kind of the idea, I don’t want him, but I don’t want anyone else to have him as well. I think that when it comes to Sam, Sookie just doesn’t see anyone as being good enough for him. Plus there is part of her which likes having males (Bill, Sam and Alcide) attracted to her. Thank goodness Alcide is firmly kicked to the curb. I too thought that Sam and Jannalynn were cute together.

    Dee Reply:

    I agree with Sookie though about Jannalynn. First, she wasn’t even 21 yet when they started dating. A bit young for Sam. Plus Jannalynn is a person who ENJOYS cracking skulls, it’s a little different than having to do it for survival. Look what she also did in this book, suggesting to Alcide to do what he did.

    I also think Sookie remembers her first impression of Jannalynn, that time at Hair of the dog when she had her first date with Quinn. Unfortunately, Jannalynn hasn’t done anything to change that impression of her.

    glamored Reply:

    I don’t get the feeling that she hates Jannalynn, she just doesn’t trust her. She repeatedly, in several books, refers to her as ferocious. It’s not that Jannalynn kills, it’s that she really seems to enjoy the killing. At the drugged-Sookie pack meeting Alcide wants to let Patricia and Annabelle (is that right?) live, but as Sookie and Jason are leaving she says that Jannalynn will convince Alcide to kills them. I think Sookie is dealing with living with all of the death that is part of living in the supe world, but she does not enjoy the killing, and she resents the fact that Jannalynn does.

    Viking Dame Reply:

    But Eric has no issue with killing either. Sookie herself has remarked more than once that Eric loves a good battle and he certainly has no qualms about taking out his enemies. I see this an another disconnect where Sookie is concerned. In fact, in this book Sookie thinks to herself that Jannalyn is not good enough for Sookie specifically b/c she’s too ruthless and violent. That description can be applied to Eric as well. Or maybe she’s projecting her feelings about her and Eric onto Sam and anyone he dates.

    And I think the whole Jannalyn-convinced-Alcide thing to be silly. Like Alcide said, he’s her boss so she’d be setting him up for embarrassment too, not just Sookie. Jannalyn seems to prize her new position as Alcide’s second so this just doesn’t make any sense for her to do such a thing. I think it may be just to set up the reason for why Sam eventually breaks up with her.

    For whatever reason, CH seems bound and determined that none of Sookie’s admirers will ever move on and find love with anyone else.

    glamored Reply:

    It’s true that Eric has no problem with killing, but Sookie’s problem with Jannalynn is that she is gleeful about it. Eric is gleeful about battle, but i don’t think he would seek to kill people who who don’t “deserve” it and he accepts that killing is necessary but he does not relish the kill like Jannalynn does.

    harmony Reply:

    yeah and when he kills he does not torture

    VikingDame Reply:

    I don’t recall Jannalyn ever killing someone just for the sake of killing either though. She’s killed enemies of the Pack. And in this book she killed Sandra Pelt, who had kidnapped her and Sam at gunpoint not to mention sending the four thugs to the bar earlier. Eric gets pretty gleeful during battle too – bowling for vampires anyone? So I’m not seeing THAT much of a difference especially when you consider that Eric might have been more exuberant in his younger days too. So I’m def thinking that there is some transference going on too.

    VikingDame Reply:

    Transference on Sookie’s part that is.

    IATM Reply:

    OMG, i totly agree with that statement..

    Jannalyn havent killed for the sake of sport that we have witnessed this far in the book.. nor has Eric really in the books..

    i mean Eric was excited during the Fae battle as well.. but the bowling for vampire’s in DD is a perfect example..

    if the Supe world is kill or be killed & that is the way it appears to be instead of calling cops & whatnot then so be it.. Sookie always picks killing over being killed when it comes to her own life.. & in fact since Sookie aske Mr. C if she can kill someone with the C.D. then i guess that is what is going to happen..

    Sherry Reply:

    I think Jannalynn is bordering on psychotic in a way. She’s what, 20? How many people has she killed already? And she takes joy in it. That’s the creepy part. She relishes a kill and relishes doing it violently. She doesn’t care about guilt or innocence as long as she gets the kill.

    That isn’t Eric. Eric killed in his human days I’m sure. He was a viking and it was part of survival. But it took a sadistic maker 100+ years to make him a stone cold killer who might consider torture “fun.” Eric kills for defense, to seek justice or revenge. He doesn’t kill just to kill and he isn’t unnecessarily cruel. How do we know this? His underlings. He is a good maker and a fair sheriff. He demands very little from them. From it he gets respect, loyalty and fear if you cross him.

    Jannalynn just likes to kill things in bad way.

    Sherry Reply:

    Also…he loves a battle. He won’t think twice about killing someone in a fight either. But again, its quick and its defensive.

    Adrienne Reply:

    I think you explained this very well. I agree, I don’t think she hates Jannalynn: I think sees alot of herself in her and despises how Jannalynn easily kills while Sookie can’t own up to the fact that really, she’s alot like her. Jannalynn is openly what Sookie is deep down. Two quotes kinda hint towards it, at the end of Ch 6:

    “I loved seeing the strong young women from all over America; I loved watching them play a game as hard as they could, full tilt, nothing held in reserve. I realized while I was watching that I knew two other young women
    like that: Sandra Pelt and Jannalynn Hopper. There was a lesson there, but I wasn’t sure what it was.”

    End of ch 16 after the battle:

    “I wondered if I would start crying or praying or sitting in a corner with my eyes wide open the rest of the night. But none of those reactions set in. I got into bed feeling relieved, as if I’d had a successful surgery or as if a biopsy had turned out well. I thought, as I curled into a ball and composed myself for sleep, that the fact that I could sleep tonight was almost more frightening than anything else.”

    Sookie really has matured and become more tactical, willing to use others for her gain but not without reserves. Once she fully accepts who she has become, then we’ll see a very confident Sookie. She really is a whole lot more like Eric than she realizes and I think this is one of the reasons Pam took a strong liking to her, too.

    VikingDame Reply:

    Yes! That softball quote, exactly.

    Pam, for that matter is as ruthless as they come when it comes to dealing with her enemies and yet Sookie considers her a friend. Yet she’s not all that different from Jannalyn either.

    I’d hate to think that, as someone else said elsewhere on this blog entry, that Sookie really is just petty enough to be thinking “I may not want you but I don’t want anyone else to have you either.” Unfortunately, the way that CH sometimes writes Sookie’s reactions to the women who are in Sam’s or Bill’s lives it can come across that way. I’d like to think that Sookie is better than that.

    glamored Reply:

    The other reason that she does not want Sam with Jannalynn is because of J’s blind allegiance to the pack and Alcide. She says, and Sam agrees, that Alcide comes before anything else to her. If she was willing to walk away from Quinn b/c she wanted to come first, you can bet that she thinks that is how it should be for her friends too.

    IATM Reply:

    HAHA it seems like Sookie by book 13 needs to come to some realistic p.o.v.

    also WTF is up with the fae box thingy ” “Cluviel Dor”??

    ooh boy cant wait to see what Sookie decides to use this on…

    wahoozit Reply:

    I think perhaps the Cluviel Dor has in its own way a sense about when it can be used.
    I mean I get that a big part of things at Fangtasia was Sookies subconscious but I wouldn’t be surprised if this thing lets its owner know the types of situation when it can be used hence Mr. Cs warnings to think very carefully about if it should be used.

  • Dee

    I loved this book and I’m not too worried about E/S at the moment.

    Eric is trying to get out of this arranged marriage. He thought the fact that Appius was dead would get him out of it but it’s not working. He has contacted FDC but unfortunately FDC has not returned his call. Maybe FDC has to think about whether this benefits him or hurts him.

    But it has not happened, and CH can come up with a clever way to get him out of it.

    The BB is broken, they are in STILL in love. THey both said to each other a few times, Sookie said it in her own thoughts. She said how it’s his love she values most.

    Amelia, she is currently on my shit list. She annoyed me the entire time.

    There are 2 choices for Sookie, she either fights for her relationship or she doesn’t. I see a lot more positive things at the moment with Sookie fighting for it. Not just as an Eric fan but as far as Sookie’s development in the books. She can do what she has done in the past and just walk away, not work through problems in a relationship(didn’t blame her in the past) and fight for what she wants. That will just show that Sookie has not changed much. Maybe this was the point of showing us in the past how Sookie walks away from relationship problems. CH has said that Sookie has made the right choice for the wrong reason so it worked out, but I think this was a great way to show readers how Sookie changes. Seeing Sookie fight for what she wants, not walking away and putting down her guards will only improve Sookie as a character. I think plot wise this is much more interesting than Sookie saying eh I’m just gonna walk away, and then last book Sookie just ends up with someone new.

    glamored Reply:

    Dee, what a good point about Sookie’s growth! She is a completely different person than she was nine books ago, and fighting for her and Eric would certainly show how much she has changed as a result of, not only her experiences in the supe world, but also her relationship with Eric!

    HelenaHandbasket Reply:

    Excellent post, Dee!

    Mony Reply:

    Boo 3 – “Had it occurred to you,” he said, after we’d rolled out of the city’s center, “that you tend to walk away
    when things between you and Bill become rocky? Not that I mind, necessarily, since I would be glad for you two to sever your association. But if this is the pattern you follow in your romantic attachments, I want to know now.
    “Firstly, Eric, what happens between Bill and me is just none of your damn business.” I let that sink in for
    a few seconds. “Second, my relationship with Bill is the only one I’ve ever had, so I’ve never had any
    idea what I’m going to do even from day to day, much less establishing a policy.”
    - Club Dead

    She stopped running away and thsi part is pretty much pure gold if we look how far Sookie went in few years and how much she learned. She didn’t run away in DITF when CH us the parallels Lorena/Bill – Victor/Eric ( and even Quinn/his mom/Victor), she didn’t run away in DR when CH used the parallel Bill/QSA – Niall/Eric, i bet she won’t run away from the Queen of Oklaoma too, a parallel, again, with the liason Lorena and Bill had imo.

    Dee Reply:

    Thank you for posting this Mony. Yeah wow it will be even more interesting now to re-read the books because after DR, there are so many things we’ll pick up on now that have a different meaning for us. Same as someone mentioned above how when Eric finds out Sookie is fae, he says “that explains a lot” Sookie thought he meant the attraction to her but now we see it’s most likely Niall’s interest in her.

    CH really wanted to show us Sookie’s immaturity when it comes to relationships. So many got pissed at her for Sookie walking away or not listening to explanations and talking things out in a relationship. I really feel like those issues with the relationships Sookie previously had were created so that we see Sookie’s growth in these last few books. She needed someone to betray her, she needed someone who didn’t put her first and she needed someone with a psycho ex girlfriend lol. These are typical experiences women have in our early 20′s and dating. Then when we find the one, most times it works because the way you now handle relationships is so different than you had in the past, you apply all those lessons to make it work. Then you have a light bulb go off that makes you say those experiences were all worth it in the end because it made you who you are and you are where you’re at because of them.

    Sherry Reply:

    I really don’t get how fans constantly lay the blame at Sookie for running/walking away with the Bill relationship situation.

    Lets take inventory:
    Sookie is more or less forced into a situation with a traitor in Dallas. No one was overly concerned with putting her in danger. No, they didn’t know Hugo was a traitor but they knew there were a fuckload of risks with the situation they put her in. Did they care? Meh.

    “Maybe this young lady and I could go to the Fellowship Center tomorrow and try to find out if there’re plans for any kind of ceremony soon.”

    Bill and Stan regarded him thoughtfully.

    “That’s a good idea,” Stan said…

    “Sookie?” Bill asked?…

    “”If this tattooed vampire is a renouncer…and arranged through the fellowship…then this pretend priest must have been working for them. They will know you now,” Bill pointed out. “You would have to wear your wig.”

    Yeah, that was the extent of Bill’s concerns. Problem solved with the wearing of a wig.

    THEN…she comes back battered and bruised and he’s more concerned posturing because Eric is “doctoring” than with Sookie’s broken body. Then she’s at a vamp party, left alone with Eric while Bill chats away to whoever, all bruised and beaten and wanting to go home. When the firing stops his thought isn’t to go to Sookie and see if she’s ok even though she’s already been badly hurt. It’s to go have fun with the bloodbath.

    And we are faulting Sookie leaving WHY?

    Now lets inventory Club Dead:

    Things were already on a downturn with Billy boy. Bill and Eric are the reasons Sookie gets put into those horrible situations. Bill left a very dangerous item in Sookie’s possession without her full awareness about what it was. What does Eric do? Threaten torture for it. Eric shows up and tells her Bill’s gone off with Lorena and arranged for her to be pensioned off to Eric a la Tara from Franlin to Micky, except it wasn’t a debt being settled. But the idea was the same. So now Sookie’s on a rescue mission to save her lying boyfriend and Eric’s hide from the Queen. All because someone didn’t tell her the importance of the database.

    So…she gets attacked by weres, Alcide runs off, she gets staked, she meets arch-nemesis Debbie Pelt and co. and then gets drained and raped by Bill all with very little knowledge from the vampire side of things.

    A whole mess of things that could have been avoided if two particular vampires had been just a weensy bit more forthcoming. Sookie gets angry about Bill running off with Lorena and rightfully so, in my opinion. Eric didn’t even describe it as the compulsion maker/child that would have made him do it. He was enthralled…again. But Bill has some nerve getting possessive when Alcide says he and Sookie fucked. ORLY Bill?

    Then calls her out for wearing another man’s clothes? ORLY Bill?

    His concern over her getting staked lasts a half a page before we get pages of his concern over his precious database. ORLY Bill?

    “Look at me. Mangled, drained, staked, battered. Lying in a cold apartment in a strange city with a vampire who betrayed me. A big decision was standing right in front of my face waiting to be recognized.”

    Fuck that. I would NOT call that running. I’d call that leaving a doomed relationship. I would leave too.

    KCScout Reply:

    I think any sensible person wouldn’t ever want to see him again, but I’m a unabashed Bill-hater :-D

    Viking Dame Reply:

    I love that quote from Eric even more now b/c it DOES take on a whole new level of depth. Eric is a great vampire and any woman who wants to be at his side will have to be the kind who can stick it out through the rough patches. Because that’s just life in the supe world. It’s not just the vampires. All the supes have violent ways of dealing with things as just normal protocol. Take the Packmaster contest for one. The way that the enemy pack members were punished (kneeling and willingly offering their necks). Look at how the Werepanters dealt with the adultery of one of their own and how poor Mel, who didn’t even actually kill Crystal, was torn apart by his own. Then there’s the fae, dabbing the blood of their enemies into their wounds and keeping their heads as trophies.

    But I don’t think running is what Sookie will do now. She has changed. She has grown. And yes, she has grown harder in some ways though this fact is something that she is still trying to come to terms with. But she observed at the end of the book and it’s very telling:

    “I had to be willing to change myself forever, or everything I’d made myself do was for nothing.”

    At this point, I really can’t see Sookie making a decision that would make all the loss that has happened up until now, all the sacrifices mean nothing. I just don’t see that happening. She was right, that moment after the Victor take-down WAS a turning point in her relationship with Eric and from here on out I think the last two books will show a Sookie that will commit to this life with him, the good and the bad. Because she loves him. Because this is who she is now.

    harmony Reply:

    This quote was 1 of the keys of this book, the turning point. She cant come back, like claudine said to sookie before going to the summit she will be marked as one of the vampire for ever

    *C.K. Reply:

    I feel like I need to read all the books again because there is so much learned in this book that connects to the past.

    SVB Reply:

    Me too. Series re reads are a big commitment now with so many books down :lol:

    Margaux Reply:

    Very well put Dee and I totally agree with you. Yes, we can all freak out of the Queen thing but I’m not. I really feel like it’s going to be okay. And I feel that way because we FINALLY saw a Sookie who (like SVB said) is not afraid to get emotional and is ready to fight for what is hers. Maybe’s she’s kinda taken Eric for granted, in the fact that he’s always chased after her. She now has to turn around and fight for him, just like he’s been doing all along. I was glad to see him call her out again, on not admitting she’s his wife and I liked that Eric could see on her face that she does consider him her husband, she just may not always say it.
    I feel like this is where the CD will come in but I’m not sure how. There are so many things she could do with it and has thought about them but in the end, I really feel like it’s going to have to do with Eric.
    I couldn’t agree more with your words on Amelia. I wanted to slap her when Sookie said she had a huge grin on her face after they broke the bond. I think deep down she’s jealous of Sookie but also has an ulterior motive.

    Skarlove Reply:

    Dee wrote: “The BB is broken, they are in STILL in love. THey both said to each other a few times, Sookie said it in her own thoughts. She said how it’s his love she values most. (EDIT) Amelia, she is currently on my shit list. She annoyed me the entire time.

    ITA!!!!Their love IS waht matters most. I’m a little disconcerted at their goody at the end of this book, but Sookie had just taken part in such a gruesome massacre I think she deswerved some space.

    Fucking Amelia. No trust there, whatsoever……Sookie talked a LOT about assumptions in this book and how they only cause problems. Connect the dots, my dear!

    LLE Reply:

    Sookie should asked herself why is Amelia wants to break the bond? Sookie should had asked Eric and trust him more than she did Amelia.

    Sookie does not trust Eric at all. If there no trust in relationship, it not going to work.

    What funny is Sookie is trusting the wrong people like Sam and Bill.

    Sherry Reply:

    Amelia asked if Sookie wanted her to look into breaking the BB. Sookie said yes, so Amelia did. She said that right at the beginning of DITF when Amelia called her out for blaming the bond on loving Eric. Thats the moment when Sookie finally admitted she loves Eric.

    Skarlove Reply:

    Yikes! Lots of typos…..that will teach me to post while distracted. Gah! Sorry for those. You’re right, LLE – in that Sookie should have asked herself first why Amelia wanted the bond broken so badly. I know I would have wanted to know. I only think the loss of the bond is as important as Sookie and Eric make it out to be. The ball is entirely in their court now – they can do with their love what they chose (up to the point of political involvement.) Even there I think there’s some wiggle room for them to work it out. I think FDC might actually be on Eric’s side in all this. After all, he did eliminate a power-hungry vulture!

    jsnider Reply:

    I think one thing that may be hard for many of us is that Sookie in this book is possiblyin transition between the earlier Sookie and the Sookie we have yet to see in 12 and 13…..she goes back and forth between young, immature, running away Sookie and mature, accepting her fate Sookie. This is the frustration with her morality battlebc she vacillates so much and appears to be hypocritical when I think it may be more that really she’s just in transition….such huge growth couldn’t occur in one or two books….it’s a process. Hopefully, the Sookie she is evolving into can be with Eric fully and they can come to a mutual HEA.

  • LLE

    Eric never trusted Amelia and he had Pam date her for information in book eight. Pam and Amelia had good time. What was funny, when Quinn broken down the door to go protect his sister, Amelia ran to Quinn like he was going to protect from the vampires.

    Amelia turn Bob into a cat, she ask Sookie can stay with her. Amelia was not thinking of what she did to Bob, all she care about was getting punished for turning Bob into a cat. Amelia will tell her dad about what she did and he will tell King.

    If Sookie run way from things being difficult with situation with Eric, she will always run away from every relationship. I don’t see Sookie running way at all but she will kick the Queen butt or kill her. There will be a battle between them over Eric.

  • Dee

    Exactly glamored. Look at JUST Sookie and what we want to see from her, walking away and not dealing with issues is not what I want to see of Sookie this far into the series when it’s near the end. Eric also called her out on it in book 3, he wanted to know if that is how she always dealt with men. Maybe that line was thrown in on purpose now that I think about it.

    Then thinking about the last 2 books, trying to picture Sookie saying she is done with him so let’s move on, he says ok i’m going to Oklahoma to marry Freyda, their drama is done. Then she just moves on and starts a new relationship and ends like that. IF it’s Sam like a lot of ppl think, it will be a whole new relationship for her, so how much love will we get to see between the two of them? How much of their story can be written for us to feel good about Sookie’s HEA.

    LLE Reply:

    Sookie has find out what important to fight for or is not worth the fight. Do we wish Eric stuck with someone that he does not want? CH would never do that to Eric being stuck marry to the Queen and be missable.

    If Sookie says she loves Eric and not fight for him, she would not be in love with him at all. Sookie is in love with Eric and they have so much passion.

    I can’t see Sookie with Sam because they have no spark between them and no story would not be believable. Sam is a shifters and he can easy be killed off from people who hates shifters. Sookie would not be safe with Sam and would she stay with him or can’t stand the pressure and run away like she did with every relationship. I can’t see Sookie staying with Sam.

    glamored Reply:

    LLE, exactly! There is no spark with Sam. She doesn’t love him like that, never has. End of story.

    Serena Reply:

    When Sookie reads Lily after Jack is shot, I think it was a giant neon sign that Eric is the HEA and not Sam (or anyone else). Sookie narrates:

    She wanted to kill Pouty Lips in the worst possible way, because she loved her husband with an overwhelming passion. The strength of her feelings almost swamped me. Lily might be icy on the outside, but inside she was Vesuvius.

    Would anyone describe Sookie’s love for Sam on volcanic levels? There’s no passion there on Sookie’s part, just platonic love. This example of Lily and Jack is what Charlaine sees in one of her other pairings as an HEA, I don’t doubt she sees the same in Eric and Sookie. :)

    glamored Reply:

    Bravo, Serana! I thought the same thing when I read that this morning–I just forgot that I read it because there was so much else to process! :) The last time the Leedses showed up she alluded to the same kind of love. Sookie just does not feel that way about anyone else; never has.

    Dee Reply:

    I also love how she compared her relationship with Eric to someone elses. She said something about doubting Sam and Jannalynn have a relationship like her and Eric do. I have to find the exact quote later. But I thought it was a good sign that she uses her relationship to compare how strong another relationship might be or in this case how it’s not as strong as hers.

    *C.K. Reply:

    Sookie also called Eric “her better half”. I think she was serious when she said it to Sam. Then Sam said something like no he is not. Sam doesn’t get to see a side of Eric that Sookie does.

    Dee Reply:

    Good point Serena, I didn’t even think to compare the two. I don’t know much about Lily and Jack but that statement does say a lot.

    SVB Reply:

    “I looked forward to seeing him with a kind of desperation. I needed the reassurance of his presence, the assurance that he loved me too, the passionate connection we felt when we touched each other.”

    Sookie talking about ERIC.

    Dee Reply:

    That is one of my favorite quotes in the book. There is no more doubt about Sookie’s feelings for Eric.

    There are a lot of GREAT E/S quotes in this book.

    SVB Reply:

    There are, Dee.

    It’s hard to even imagine her speaking in such terms about Sam. In fact, she’s never spoken of anyone else that way.

    Dee Reply:

    I can’t even picture her thinking that about Sam. EVER. But you’re right, she never even came close to talking like that about anyone else before. This is the most romantic we’ve seen Sookie.

    Margaux Reply:

    I have to agree, I really don’t think Sam is the HEA. I just can’t imagine CH building E/S for so many books to not have them be. Sookie has so much passion and fire in this book for Eric. I’m just not believing that anyone else could be. It’s going to be Eric or nothing.

    wahoozit Reply:

    I don’t see Sam as anything other than a friend. Sam has in previous books been put on a pedastal by Sookie as one of the few people who gave her a chance.
    Hence all the halo type referrences with his red/gold hair.
    In this book however its just described as strawberry blond and a bit of a mess.
    The question is will he stay there at friend status or slip onto to the shit list with is actions in the remaining books.

    Hootiecat1 Reply:

    I loved that description of how Sookie felt waiting for Eric “I looked forward to seeing him with a kind of desperation. I needed the reassurance of his presence, the assurance that he loved me too, the passionate connection we felt when we touched each other.”

    Eric’s hesitation at the car and the first words out of his mouth. “Do you still love me?”

    Sookie’s lightbulb went off recognizing what kind of love Lily Leeds had for her husband Jack.
    “Lily might be icy on the outside, but inside she was Vesuvius.”
    Well our Sookie and Eric went off like a volcano on the porch swing. LOL Poor Sook…LMAF Her sweet honeybun Eric fixing her an ice pack for her ‘Yahoo Palace’ to cool that gal down.

    One of the most touching scene’s: Eric drifted over and turned me on the bar stool so he could put his arms around me. “I wish you didn’t have to be here,” he said. That was all the conversation we could have with Jock in earshot. I leaned against Eric’s cool body my head resting on his silent chest. I might not ever get to do this again.

    Eric knew Sookie would react with her moral do-goodie attitude if they survived. Sure enough she did, I’m glad he bit the shit out of her and her hypocrisy. Sookie’s only saving grace is that she knew she was a hypocrite and deserved the pain Eric’s bite gave her.

    bigchili Reply:

    I didn’t get the impression that he ‘bit the shit’ out of her. I read it more that he just didn’t make it feel good like vamps usually do, so there was some pain but I don’t think it made it extra painful – if that makes sense. Though, I wasn’t happy that he didn’t stop when he should have.

    Hootiecat1 Reply:

    No it was just a bite, but he didn’t make it pleasant…as he could have. I don’t think he made his bite extra painful either. Eric was showing his frustration with Sookie and her hypocrisy. He has danced around her for years never hiding his vampire nature. Sookie gave this same reaction after the Witch war, then went home and killed Debbie Pelt to save Eric’s life.

    Eric didn’t stop when bill said he should. Sookie knew how to make him stop when she’d had enough.

    This bite reminds me of when Andre was trying to force a blood bond with Sookie and Eric at great risk stepped in to do it himself for her protection. That bite Eric gave her then hurt too….LOL however Sookie’s left him with a conspicuous wet spot on his pants…LMAO

    At the end of DR I honestly do want them to be separated for a while. Sookie does not appreciate Eric as she should. I’d like to see Eric get his joy of life back. Sookie needs to get a clue about what the Fae are doing to her and around her.

    *C.K. Reply:

    I forget where this qoute is at in the book?

    *C.K. Reply:

    the one where Sookie looked forward to meeting Eric?

    Viking Dame Reply:

    I immediately thought of Sookie’s love for Eric when I read that too. Sookie wouldn’t want to see Victor dead so bad if she didn’t know how trapped Eric is as long as he’s the Regent and how he’s just trying to goad Eric into giving him a reason to kill him.

    jsnider Reply:

    Yep Serena and who does Sookie save FIRST at Rhodes….not Bill or Quinn but ERIC!!!! She will end up being Vesuvius too (I HOPE!)

  • Eric is hot

    I just finished the book and I both loved and hated it. I am really worried about Eric a d Sookie and I didn’t like her last statement about a turning point in their relationship. It is going to be a long year and tons of speculation. ready for a re-read.

    Morgan Jane Reply:

    That is what I am stuck on too… the turning point! She said he was like a stranger, he bit her and it hurt and she cried… we can try to ignore it but I am worried. I would like to spin it this way. Eric is pissed about Sookie not being 100 percent in the relationship, breaking the bond, not giving him blood freely, not moving in, not excepting being his wife etc. and Sookie lets him hurt her because she is surrendering. BUT Bill interrupts… he is the savior, and takes her home like Eric took her home from a bad turn with Bill. I don’t like it at all! And in the end she is appathetic, I can only hope CH is just brilliantly keeping us on edge and all will be Eric and Sookie… I can’t see any other way that would make sense with the story.

    I am relieved CH didn’t make Eric out to be bad, he can’t help any of this.

    I didn’t like Immauel asking if Pam and Eric had sex…. I hope that isn’t going anywhere.

    Thinking about Eric being put on trial. He said he would have to stand trial for killing Victor. But actually Pam and Sookie killed him? When they killed Victor, I really didn’t see the purpose if OkL was just around the corner. What will happen to Sookie if Eric marries OKL and there is no bond. The marriage has to be broken, right, but now there is also no bond. Sookie will be fair game.

    I can see a tragic ending where Eric trades himself to OKL for Sookies protection from vampires. And watches her have children and grow old with another man. (Because there are too many babies and talk of Gran having kids).

    CH said she knows how it will end… something from book 2, a scene from the book?? I need to look at that. That gives me hope it isn’t Bill… maybe, they were going down hill but in the end of that book they had crazy sex… that reminded me too much of the sex scene in this book… the sex before the end… the desperate sex :(

    I don’t know if Sookie can see behind Eric’s stoney mask, he will have to open up… but they have no time together, I really hated that there wasn’t enough of him in this book.

    I think in the end, even if I hate it, the bond had to be broken. Her and Eric’s relationship seemed forced even if it isn’t totally the case. It can go one of 2 ways, she can develope a non forced relationship with him now or see that the bond made her except vampire shit that she doesn’t now.

    Will Pam leave, Eric said she might and he would let her, if Miriam died?

    Sookie hasn’t asked Eric to give anything up for her, does she really want him to be boring?

    Dee Reply:

    That last scene with them bothered me too, but I’m focusing on the good now and gonna get into the bad soon lol. Give him blood freely? She is the one who offered. Doesn’t mean he had to be rough but yeah I think he is upset with her, doesn’t excuse it though.

    Well CH said Sookie won’t start a family so I don’t think she is having kids.

    Not a scene from book 2, just that she said she has known since book 2 who Sookie would end up with.

    About Pam and Eric, I don’t think CH is gonna go there. It’s been a while since Eric and Pam had that type of relationship so wouldn’t make sense now. Will Pam leave now that Miriam is dead? I hope not and I don’t think so.

    Morgan Jane Reply:

    Sookie won’t usually give him blood, remember all the faces he makes and the “we will talk about this later” when she hands him a blood instead. This time she offered, but she already said she wasn’t in the mood and pissed him off.

    The new interview on her FB, i think CH said something about it being like a scene from book 2.

    Eric said Pam may leave if Miriam dies… why say it if not a possibility?

    And maybe the Eric and pam issue was just brought up to show Sookie wouldn’t be down with that.

    Dee Reply:

    She didn’t say it will be similar to a scene from book 2. She just said she knew how Sookie’s journey would end from around book 2 or so. Then she said that The end scene she wrote in her head many years ago.

    Margaux Reply:

    CH has also said she has always had the finally scene in mind. She knows how the series will end. Eric has to be the HEA or I’ll FREAK OUT.

    *C.K. Reply:

    I really hope that final scene is a happy one. Eric and Sookie have been built up so much that I would be so upset(to put it politely) if Eric and Sookie do not end up together. After all this struggle they do deserve some happiness. I have never read any of CH’s other series.

  • Mark

    Maybe I was confused but does this mean Cataliades can read Sookie’s mind, he said ‘my fellow humans’ and that he picked up the Cluviel dor from Amelia’s brain. Was this a continuity error? Or is Hunter now in jeopardy?

    Margaux Reply:

    I think he can read Sookie’s mind and I was thinking of going back to some earlier books to see if CH dropped any of those hints.
    I dont’ think Hunter is in jeopardy but I’m not sure I understand what you’re asking.

    Krtmd Reply:

    Well, there is that moment on the plane going to Rhodes when Sookie is wondering about the coffins, and Mr C seems to know what she’s thinking, but covers well with some explanation about watching her count the coffins.

    I bet there are others, if we look closely. Lots of re-reading to do between him and looking for Amelia clues.

    harmony Reply:

    He should be able to read her mind, so he knnows about Hunter…a re reading will dig some stuffs out

    KCScout Reply:

    I’m going to re-read “One Word Answer” too and see if there are any clues there.

    Dee Reply:

    So very true, I’m gonna read DD when they are in the limo on the way to NO.

  • Lor

    Already posted a few wee replies further up the thread but I’ve still more to say :) Picked my copy up at lunch and spent the afternoon reading (with a very quick dinner break :P ). I loved this book. It made me laugh, cry, shout at it, smile, and groan in frustration.

    As most have already said, I loved the growth of Sookie’s character. She’s finally growing up. I personally love kick-ass, harder, confident Sookie. She’s finally starting to realise she has to be tougher to survive in the supe world and that she needs to stop being a bit of a doormat TBH. I LOVED it when she kicked everyone out the house (it was about time!), realising they were mostly just using her. The bit with Alcide was funny, and I’m glad she put him in his place. The funniest bit for me however was: “yahoo palace” – that phrase still has me giggling, and I roared with laughter for ages when I first read it (freaked my parents out down the stairs)!

    I suppose I’m a bit miffed at Eric featuring less in this one, but I can see why it was important, to allow Sookie’s character to grow on her own. I’m actually pleased at the removal of the blood bond (though I’m angry at Amelia for bullying her, and then betraying her trust). When I first read it I shouted at Sookie (‘cos she can hear me through the pages ;) ) for doing something stupid, but I liked how Eric issues were resolved quickly. I also thought that although he’s angry, that that phone convo was quite touching – their panic about each other and their need to ensure the other was ok before moving on to the anger and regret.
    In terms of the E/S relationship, I’m confident the Oklahoma thing can be resolved (perhaps Sookie’s use of the cluviel dor (love the sound of that word)). What has me worried was the scene near the end after the battle with Eric excited and Sookie upset/detached. That scene’s important in terms that Sookie has to realise Eric with all his faults, what worries me is that she won’t be able to get past the vamp/human differences in situations like these.

    I really hope Sookie has the courage to fight for him, if not for the fact that there is no other real suitor that fits (without completely changing the S/S dynamic which I don’t see working), but for the fact that I was in tears at the end at the mere prospect of Eric and Sookie breaking up! I think I get a bit too emotionally involved with these characters and this story. lol

    *C.K. Reply:

    Lor these books and the show are so addicting. I know they are fictional chhar. but I can’t help but be invested in them. That end scene with E/S had me a little concerned to.

    I really liked the conversation Eric and Sookie had on her porch after the blood bond was broken. I think it showed a lot of growth in the char. They were being completely honest with each other when talking. Eric even admitted that a part of him was afraid that Sookie would leave him if the blood bond was dissolved. Eric is not used to being so open and vulnerable and he was in that scene. Sookie also took blame for it.

  • bigchili

    Just finished my first read through (which was way too broken up thanks to my 17 month old son and will reread it now that he’s gone to bed) and my initial impression is mixed. Well, I that’s not quite right – I’m pretty satisfied with the events and revelations in the book, I’m just not all warm-fuzzy, happy feeling right now.

    I love Sookie’s growth and strength. I like that because the blood bond is over Sookie can’t deny her love for Eric and has finally accepted that she does love him (but I do miss the bond). I think this is leading to a deeper E/S relationship and I’m not worried about them at this point.

    I’m really glad the Debbie/Sandra Pelt storyline appears to be wrapped up and that Victor is dead – I’m super excited to see what that leads to. I’m also excited to see how Eric/QoOK/Sookie plays out in the next book so after we all fully digest DR I can’t wait to start discussing that.

    Okay, second reading coming up. :)

    deedums64 Reply:

    @bigchill -

    I think you are right in that the breaking of the bond is leading to a deeper E/S relationship. There are many instances after the bond is broken where Sookie states that he is “reading her like a map”. There are several instances where they think along the same lines or he picks up on what she is thinking cuz they know each other so well. I don’t know the exact places in the book but CH emphasizes this a lot after the bond is broken.

  • osterby

    Bought and read the book today. Loved it! I don’t think that Oklahoma will be as big an issue as some are supposing. CH has written her vampire kings and queens with more than just a little vanity. Eric as well. A vampire queen who knows her consort loves another…not gonna happen. Eric moving to another state to be meerly a consort, with his ego, not gonna happen either. All clues, comments point to E/S HEA!!

    SVB Reply:

    Yeah I don’t see this marriage as a huge issue either.

    We all knew a big obstacle was coming – with three more books to go I think we universally agreed that there would be *something*.

    I like this because a) it is not an obstacle that has arisen through any fault of their own, it is completely external to them and there can be no blame or fault finding…just finding a way out of it and b) if CH wanted to bury ES she would have made the obstacle something that Eric did intentionally and for his own gain.

    glamored Reply:

    Oooh. “Intentionally and for his own gain” I like that! That makes me veeeery hopeful! :D

  • Dee

    Osterby-I’m with you, I just can’t see it happening.

  • Margaux

    I do believe this book was a turning point for Sookie and her love for Eric. She had to realize, down to her core that she loves him and it’s not the bond talking. She is finally realizing he is what she wants.

    The next book will be Eric figuring out if he can give up all the power he’s being offered to be with Sookie. Sookie went through her struggle and now he’ll go through his. Does he love her enough?

    While the Queen of Oklahoma situation sucks, I agree with Bill, the ball is in Eric’s court and he needs to decide. I am choosing to look at this on the broad spectrum, that E and S both has to work through all they can to really and truly figure out if they love each other.

    I believe they are the HEA and I believe they both need to go through this to convince themselves and readers that they truly are in love with each other and are willing to fight and give up other possibilities for that love. I’m trying to think of this as a good step when though I want to fear the worst :)

    Millarca Reply:

    I wonder if it’s possible that Eric might negotiate an arrangement to postpone further consideration of Freyda’s claim for, say, 50 years?

    Margaux Reply:

    That could happen Millarca but do think Sookie would be happy with that?

    I went back and Eric says that as Regent Victor could plead that his wishes supersede Ocella’s. So now it goes to Felipe unless there’s a new Regent. Here’s what I’m thinking…
    Felipe’s either going to be happy or mad with Eric for killing Victor. Maybe he’ll reward him by overriding the agreement. Or maybe he’ll punish him and hold it up.
    If Eric becomes Regent then, can he break the agreement? Is he fully ready to give up that power?

    Margaux Reply:

    I think who becomes Regent is going to be the biggest question we need to ask or speculate on because that will help determine which direction this will go.

    Millarca Reply:

    If the issue is postponed till Sookie is nearly 80, either she will have become a vampire years before then, and be Eric’s vampire wife, which we know won’t happen, or they will almost certainly have reached an understanding about him being with other women. It could be 100 years instead of 50. It won’t happen, but seems like a reasonable sort of compromise to me, but probably only because we know Sookie won’t become a vampire. Oklahoma doesn’t know this and might not be so happy about the risk. :D

    SVB Reply:

    I really don’t think Eric wants that power. I don’t get the impression he’s on board with this program at all.

    Margaux Reply:

    I think you’re right SVB, I was just playing devil’s advocate on that one. Eric’s never been one to be power hungry.
    I’m wondering if Sookie will use the cluviel dor to fix the E/F situation. Seems like it’d be a good way to put it to use…

    Viking Dame Reply:

    It does seem rather coincidental that this powerful fairy love token pops up just when the vampire that Sookie loves is caught b/t a rock and hard place. ;-)

    IATM Reply:

    i still would love for Eric to become a King ( even though i know he doesnt seek that position or power).. the Fae C.D. could totaly be used on Oklahoma but we dont know what the consequence will be??

    Millarca Reply:

    It’s far too coincidental. But perhaps it’s too obvious and its real purpose is for something completely different that will sneak up on us while our attention is drawn elsewhere. I’m not sure yet.

    Lor Reply:

    Or maybe Felipe won’t care either way about Eric killing Victor and will just see this arrangement as a chance to keep the QoOK at bay, wasn’t she one of the ones who’s after a bit of Felipe’s Kingdom? Or maybe Felipe will feel threatened at Eric killing Victor and won’t him “teaming up” with someone (QoOK) who’s after his kingdom, so will therefore dissolve the contract. That would then bring into question what he’s gonna do about Eric if he does feel threatened.

    harmony Reply:

    As you said I think FDC will try to keep Eric with him. He saved from the take over so he knew he was a great sheriff with a better potential. FDC wont take the risk Eric falling under the oath of one of his direct enemy

    wahoozit Reply:

    Eric’s much better to have on FDC’s side as regent helping him keep his territories intact than at QoO’s side against him…he wouldn’t stand a chance in that scenario. Perhaps Eric can bargain for some level of autonomy here.
    Tbh he did FDc a favour getting rid of Victor, as others in the book said it was stupid to try to split the areas profits like that. It was a move based on pure ego not what was best for the territory.

    Margaux Reply:

    Sorry I keep adding but I’m also wondering why Ocella did this. Eric says it’s not the norm and that they can receive a fee but I still wonder why. Do you think Victor convinced him to? Possibly Felipe to get control of Sookie?

    SVB Reply:

    Ocella was extremely old-skool in his thinking and ways…Eric mentions that this is an old tradition, I’m thinking Ocella probably thought he was actually doing Eric a favor.

    He had an odd way of looking at things.

    Krtmd Reply:

    Or it was for personal gain for Ocella – Eric says in DITF that Ocella doesn’t ‘care about his (Eric’s) position in this country’.

  • Dee

    Sookie should start playing matchmaker and hook up FDC with Freyda lol

    LLE Reply:

    Sookie should start matchmaker and hook up Bill with Freyda.

    Millarca Reply:

    :D

  • osterby

    Some questions:

    Who is after Mr Catalaides? What was Mr C’s warning about the Hooligans all about? Will Eric get away with killing his Regent?

    LovetheViking Reply:

    My initial reaction on this was fairies or something related to fairies. Mr C has peeved someone off and Dermot wasn’t too pleased to see him.

  • TeamEric

    ok, just finished the book, have to go to bed but first have to say that i’m so worried about Sookie and Eric. I really wish that Sookie thought even once of using the fairy wish thing to give Eric his freedom. I’m worried about them. great, now I’m going to be counting down to next May. Damn it! I’m never satisfied! she has to end up with Eric. anyone else will really piss me off. and if she does that corny “Buffy” i chose me thing, well… that would just really really suck.

    Millarca Reply:

    I, too, was disappointed that it doesn’t seem to have occurred to Sookie to use the fairy trinket to free Eric from Oklahoma’s claim.

    harmony Reply:

    He need to be physically in danger if I understound corectly

    Millarca Reply:

    The precise details have still not been settled, and it was not till the conversation with Mr C. that this limitation was raised. Mr C’s email and Amelia’s, which Sookie received after Eric had dropped the Oklahoma bombshell, did not impose such a limitation and their terms suggested to me that it could be used to assist; indeed I had lights flashing and bells ringing in my head. “The wish has to be personal”, “this magic is so potent it can really change a life in a drastic way”, “If someone gives a loved one a cluviel dor, it’s really a serious gesture”, etc., but nothing was said about the loved one’s life having to be at risk.

    Yet Sookie hasn’t indicated it’s even occurred to her that it might be able to be used to solve the problem relating to the Queen’s claim despite the fact she had stated that the only thing that she valued was his love.

    Very strange, methinks.

    jayetea Reply:

    Sookie did bring the cluviel dor with her during the Victor assassination party, though and she thought about using it, so at least there’s that.

    harmony Reply:

    yes it is still very vague, I think Mr C used an example with the taxman :-)

    EricNorthmanforever Reply:

    I think if CH does the “Buffy” I chose me thing, that’s an easy out and she’s too good for that. I’m confident she will come up with a solution for E/S to be together. Otherwise, what is the whole point?????

  • Northwoman

    The fairies are up to something…I suspect they want Sookie to become more fae partly because there are fewer females around? Whatever they’re plotting will become clear in Book 12. And I think Sookie will use her one wish in the next book as well.

  • Kathy

    I just got back from reading the book and the Charlaine signing. I have to reread the book because I was pushing to finish it before she walked on stage. But on first read, I really really liked it. I’m glad the blood bond has been broken, and that it’s clear to both of them that they love each other. I’m alos pissed at Amelia for pushing her to do it without letting her think. I see Eric and Sookie fighing their way back to each other eventually. Bill is definitely out after this book as well as Alcide, so that leaves us w/Sam or Eric. I see what you guys are saying about her feelings for Sam. I don’t see all this shiftiness you guys see in him, but maybe I’m not looking closely enough. I just liked that this book was a good tale and not full of romance. I don’t really need that anymore. I thought what she wrote between E/S was just enough. I also loved the Bill stuff. He’s just so…….Bill! LOL! And he talked his way right out of the running IMO. I’ll have more to say after I read it again.

  • glamored

    Sookie said, again in this book, that Eric would never want to be king. Do we think that is accurate, or is she just hopeful that he doesn’t have any higher political aspirations?

    SVB Reply:

    I don’t think he wants it, but I’ve always thought if it happened it would be more a case of “stepping up” (ie. having to) rather than actively pursuing it for his own personal satisfaction. It’s been made clear over and over again that he only wants just enough power to live his own life.

    But then, the power he has ain’t providing much autonomy right now ;)

    glamored Reply:

    Definite lack of autonomy right now, and Eric has emphasised in the last two books that he does not like being overseen. And there is only one way to not be overseen…

    EricsRenfield Reply:

    If FDC made Eric King of Louisiana then Oklamhoma would be less likely to take over the territory & Eric would be powerful enough to reject her himself.

    SVB Reply:

    I think that FDC is going to view Eric’s offing of Victor as a timely favor – it’s pretty clear that FDC never trusted Victor, and only gave him LA to distract him and keep him from trying to get at the real cash cow – Nevada (ergo Vegas).

    Nevada is absolutely where Felipe’s priorities lie.

    I’m not feeling that Eric (or Sookie or Pam) are going to be in trouble about offing Victor. I think Felipe will make that all go away. But I’m not seeing Felipe hand Eric LA on a platter…I don’t know how this is going to play out, I really have to think some more and talk it over some more.

    But I’ll definitely say that Felipe will make the Victor mess go away. Besides, he still owes Sookie a favor from three books back.

    Worth mentioning again too – there’s a summit coming up.

    Krtmd Reply:

    And a weak Louisiana is bad for Amun clan. You would think that the other states in Amun would be unhappy with how Louisiana has been neglected by Victor and Felipe.

    Margaux Reply:

    A weak LA that doesn’t have a Regent and a king who is more preoccupied by his area in Neveda.
    We never saw Quinn in this book like some thought. Maybe in the next at the summit?

    Krtmd Reply:

    Charlaine did a Q&A with bitten by books and she revealed that Sookie doesn’t seem to be traveling in book 12, and that she hasn’t mapped out book 13 yet. Don’t know if that impacts the summit theory, but I thought I’d mention it. Also, I suppose it also means that if Sookie is to meet the QOK, Freyda will have to come to Shreveport. While potentially heartbreaking for Sookie, that could be awfully exciting as well.

    LLE Reply:

    I would take CH words grain of salt. Sookie companion was suppose to be the impact in the future stories and now we found out that it was not after the Sookie companion was delay.

    CH even mention that Quinn being torture would be a big impact to the future but Quinn was not mention and I guess Sookie really did not care about that.

    Morgan Jane Reply:

    Maybe Sookie will kill QOK?

    EricsRenfield Reply:

    True that FDC owed Sookie a favour, but didn’t that get used up when Eric & crew fought the Fae war to save her? Or was that considered Eric doing it off his own bat as she is his wife seeing Victor did his best to stop it? I guess FDC may not want to give up the King status to Eric, but even awarding Eric as “Regent” should be enough status to fend off Queen OK plus any takeover. FDC would have to consider that if he didn’t stop Eric going to Queen OK that perhaps she might take over Louisiana as a Wedding Gift to Eric. It would be in FDC best interest to award the Regent position to Eric.

  • littleonne

    Thank you everyone for some great observations. Now I need to go back and re read the book with your comments in mind.
    I do not doubt Sookie’s and Eric’s love for each other, but I have a hard time wrapping my brain around why they keep so many secrets from each other. Honey, I am supposed to marry another vampire and give you up, but I am trying to get out of it, that is why I have not told you, seems a little weak.
    Just talk people!! I think if they could just sit down and tell each other all of their secrets, they would be on solid ground, instead of analyzing everything and trying to decide if they should tell the other person.
    I am also glad that Eric knows that Sookie is keeping secrets as well. He really needs to give her more credit and let her decide what she can or can not handle.
    I love Eric but I can see why Sookie loses her temper with him in this book.

    *C.K. Reply:

    CH loves Gone with the Wind and the whole Rhett/Scarlette thing. One of their problems was miscommunication. IDK I agree that Sookie and Eric need to sit down and get everything out in the open.

  • Viking1

    Wow, just finished DR and have to say I’m elated and depressed simultaneously. This book was a huge turning point for Sookie, finally able to stand on her own two feet and grow a back bone. At least it’s now confirmed that she truly loves Eric (“What was the only thing I valued? His love.”), but they are still both filled with so many insecurities and question their commitment (“I know you’ve always insisted that you weren’t my true wife, so presumably that would not be so difficult for you”).

    Though, I really hope it won’t happen, Sam does really seem to take on another role in this book (“‘He’s my best friend.’ Maybe that was the first time I had said that aloud, but I guess I’d known it for quite a while”, giving him $ when we all know how tight Sookie is financially…”it’s a love offering”). Who knows though with the S/S rel’ship…

    Regardless, I’ve been racking my brain trying to come up with ways for E/S to be each other’s HEA. I completely agree that now that Sookie knows every child with the spark will be telepathic she would decide to not have children. It’s already been hinted at with her conversation with Bud Dearborn about not getting on the baby train just because everyone else is. And CH has also mentioned that Sookie’s HEA will not be a “normal” one (i.e.: kids, white picket fence, etc.).

    Maybe Sookie will use the Cloviel dor to become immortal, like Eric, yet not a vampire. Then, he would not have to worry about her so much. As for the QofOK, he’s repeatedly refuted her efforts, but now with Victor gone, Felipe may seek vengeance and demand allegiance with OK to prevent a takeover. Realistically though, there must be a reason CH kept Felipe away from the Victor drama. Felipe probably knew that Victor was power hungry and purposely kept him at arm’s length, so he’s most likely relieved that Eric killed him. Maybe Eric can just become King of Louisiana, now that he seems to have “better control”…or better yet he’ll revert to his true self and state of mind from DTTW and decide to relinquish all his power and live with Sookie forever. Wouldn’t that be nice…

    Millarca Reply:

    I agree that would be lovely, Viking1, but CH has said Sookie will live a normal human lifespan.

  • mbleblanc

    Wow, I think I was the only one to NOT enjoy this book or the E/S dynamic. I can’t really pinpoint why, maybe I wanted more from the book. I wish sookie would embrace the supe world and quit trying to be something she’s not. Also, I think reading fanfic has ruined me for CH’s books. Over all, under-whelmed.

    Margaux Reply:

    I agree with the fanfic part. I’ve read a ton and sometimes it’s easy to get so caught up in those especially when they are ones that are “lovey-dovey” and in a perfect world. I had to stop reading those a week ago to separate myself from them. It’s easy to get confused when you read so many of them!

  • jayetea

    Finally got to read it and really loved it!! I think this book is maybe CH’s tightest writing in the series. I loved all the action; I loved the fast pacing.

    I think that CH left herself a huge number of avenues to possibly pursue in the next two books. Obviously the Eric/Freyda(Queen of OK)/Sookie situation needs resolution. I think Mr. Cataliadies has some more ‘splaining to do…I mostly trust him, but I don’t think he’s necessarily told Sookie everything. Also, I’m worried that he already knows about Hunter’s telepathy… There is obviously a boatload of fairy mischief afoot; definitely don’t trust Claude; not sure about Dermot.

    I think Amelia is under her father’s thumb big time and maybe somebody else’s as well. I can’t believe she drove over to tell Alcide that Sookie was no longer bonded to Eric….like others have said, who the hell else did she tell or who else might have overheard that? I think Amelia was given orders by somebody to try to break Eric and Sookie up (probably the Nevada regime maybe via her father…). I think Amelia is very impulsive and impressed with her own magical abilities, but she isn’t clueless about the supernatural world. I can’t believe she purposely drove to Hair of the Dog to tell Alcide (and who knows who else overheard her) that the blood bond was broken. I also really can’t believe that Alcide was stupid enough to do what he did. It’s like he got a lobotomy after he became packmaster. The guy from Club Dead is completely gone it seems.

    I also don’t get why Jannalynn encouraged Alcide to go over to Sookie’s. I get that she might be jealous of Sookie’s relationship with Sam, but I don’t get why she would have thought Alcide showing up uninvited at Sookie’s was a good idea.

    I didn’t like the way Eric bit Sookie after they killed Victor either, but I do think that Sookie was being a hypocrite and I am glad that Eric called her out on it. Those two are terrible communicators and the fact that they both hide really important stuff from each other will be the end of their relationship if they don’t change that.

    I found all of the Bill stuff surprising amusing. I also did not see any evidence in the text that Bill and Sookie will ever be resuming a romantic relationship, although, I was disapointed that CH made Judith into a love obsessed vamp sister. Wasn’t Lorena enough??

    Finally, I loved kickass proactive Sookie. I hope she keeps it up and becomes even moreso.

    Morgan Jane Reply:

    Sookie actually questions herself about being a hypocrite before Eric calls her one. This isn’t the only instance he knows what she is thinking. It was way weird, he answers her once without knowing what she is saying in her head… is it just that he knows her so well?? Don’t know?

    Also, what is with the conversations with Bill… it is like she told him twice about the OKL situation… and each time he was hearing it for the first time… was he just faking surprise… does Bill know something?

    She also admits something has happened to seperate her and Eric… Bill says and now something has… she say well… yes… Where is that going?

    Hope CH is just keeping her Bill fans hanging on… I don’t think she understands thoughs people don’t read the books anyway, they have the show… give me a good story and forget Bill!

    Something is important about that spark… why would they want to know… because that is why the gift was given…. so they would know. What do they plan to do with Sookie?

  • amy

    Well I just finished and I have to say I am not a fan of this one. It feels like CH is trying to please all her fans instead of concentrating on telling her story. Was that Bill scene really necessary, with Sookie totally stripping down to lie down with Bill, Alcide getting into her bed (Did CH really need to do that to poor Alcide? Seemed out of character) and Sam all over the place in the story. Hardly any Eric, who was a wimp for most of the book until the battle. and then this when Eric was taking her blood

    “I was ready for something simple, and I was ready for the pain to stop. My eyes met Bill’s”
    “Bill’s gonna take me home,” I said. “We’ll talk tomorrow night. Maybe.”
    Eric bent down to kiss me, but I flinched. Not with that bloody mouth.”

    She goes home with Bill after all that? WTH??!! OK, CH we get it, you need to throw the TB Bill fans a bone, but do you need to mess with the story to do it?

    I am not liking the Sookie/Eric relationship anymore. It was fun in the beginning, filled with humor and romace. In the last couple of books, I feel like it has become darker and more angry. Last book, Sookie was all doubting her feelings because of the blood bond. This book she is all doubting her feelings because the relationship was turning out to more complicated. I wish CH would just end it and Eric can go back to being the Vampire with Joie de vivre. I miss the Eric from the first 8 books.

    The writing was awkward in many places and did not flow well, feeling disjointed. Sometimes it feels like certain scenes and Sookie’s thought process’ appear out of nowhere and make no sense and is just there so that CH can take the story in a certain direction. The sex scene…Monkey sex, really?

    All in all, really disappointed. Not sure if I will get the next one as I find myself losing interest. Will wait out for the final book instead to see how it all ends.

    IATM Reply:

    yea i thought the sex scene in DR was lame..

    from all the book reviews people was making it sound like it was going to be steamy & hot.. it was a corny scene IMO.. & then Sookie’s comment with the ice pack , what did she call it?? a yahoo palace or something corny??

    Olulu Reply:

    I didn’t find the sex scene all that hot, either. For one, it felt like goodbye to me. For another, the ice pack on her illustrated that she is not taking even the littlest bit of blood from Eric for some soreness. In fact, with only one sex scene, there was no blood exchange except for the disturbing one after the battle (disturbing because of Sookie’s distance and the parallel with her pinching him hard to stop drinking ala Bill).

    IATM Reply:

    HAHA Olulu,

    that sex scene had to be as corny as Sookie nursing the G.P. in DITF.. **shake head** she kept asking for it harder & harder & then the ice pack.. i was shocked that Sookie even offered Eric her blood after the Fangtasia fight scene.. that seemed so out of character for Sookie especially since she just broke the BB with Ameila’s help.. which was something she asked Amelia to do in DITF.. so 6 months ago Sookie wanted Amelia to assist her with this BB issue.. & now Sookie is about 50/50 on her liking it being broke..

    Mony Reply:

    The bond is an exhange, offering him blood won’t re-bond them like the were before since she didn’t take his blood again…yet :) He will be able to feel her if she in danger like she always and read her emotion but she cannot feel him and that’s was her problem with the blood bond.

    IATM Reply:

    i thought Eric told Sookie in DR that since the BB is broke now he cant feel her either??

    the BB started in the books from those little small tasting of eachother throughout the books here & there.. one would think that Sookie at this point after breaking the BB she would be skeptical of having Eric taste her in the first place.. & Sookie hasent been injured since DAG to really have to take Vampire blood agian.. in DITF she didnt get injured nor did she in DR ..

    But Sookie running in the rain & getting naked to go to Billy’s hidey hole was a little off beat to me as well in DR.. she really still trust Billy to the fullest & he raped her & drained her.. that entire scene in DR to me seemed odd.. i dont understand the level of trust Sookie seems to have for people even after crazy or almost death defying situations & yet she runs to Bill’s house & strips naked & get’s in his hidey hole..**shake head**

    i mean what was that?? was that CH trying to redeem Rapist Billy??

    Sherry Reply:

    No…if you will note in DAAD she offers Eric her blood after he gets hit in the head with a rock and goes down. She isn’t even hesitant about it. Not out of character at all.

    IATM Reply:

    yea i get all the books when the blood exchanges occur between them or when she took Eric’s blood or he took her’s.. but it was never consistent..

    in DAAD when Sookie offer’s Eric her blood was because Mickey was outside & she needed Eric to heal quick.. vs. in DTTW she wasent in any danger after Debbie was killed so she could deny Eric a feeding.. in DD Eric & Sookie didnt taste eachother.. & in ATD was the “final exchange”.. Sookie complained about that situation on & on & on untill she asked Ameila to look into breaking the BB.. in FDTW Sookie & Eric didnt exchange blood or taste eachother’s.. but iun DAG was the last time we seen Sookie ingest vampire blood.. in DITF no blood exchanges & we already knew the breaking of the BB was comming.. it was foreshadowed in DITF..

    the reason i found it weird that in DITF Sookie didnt offer her blood as a healing to Eric, is the fact that she knew they were going to battle to kill Alexie & Sookie knows human blood heals the vamps faster.. Eric went into that fight weak since he only had 1 bottle of TB.. & Colmen was a great way to perk up our Viking since he drained him..

    so now in DR Sookie offer’s Eric her blood to heal after the fight scene & leaves with Bill.. **shake head**

    Sherry Reply:

    In DTTW Eric was injured badly. It wasn’t as bad as Bill when she found him but it was bad enough that she had reservations about feeding herself to a injured vamp 2 weeks after another injured vamp almost drained her. She was in danger…from Eric.

    I’d be wary too. I don’t care how much control he might have. Injured vamp=dangerous vamp to a human.

    If you noticed how Sookie “complained” about the BB…she didn’t like not knowing about the BB, what it was, what it would do, how it would change her. She had something forced on her that she knows nothing about and he didn’t/couldn’t explain to her at the time. All she knew was vampires are master manipulators who like their control. Eric is no different in that regard. She knew he would be able to feel her and didn’t like that. She didn’t want to feel him either. She has enough people inside her head, why would she want Eric’s emotions to add then?
    Perhaps if Eric actually took 5 minutes out of his life to explain the bond to her at some point, maybe she would have reacted differently. Did he do that in ATD? No. Did he do that in FDTW? I don’t think so. At least, not that I can recall.

    The bond is like a tether. She’s tethered to a vampire like a dog to it’s owner. There’s a reason why the bond is the way it is. It makes the vampire seem more human. Why does the vampire need to seem more human to the bonded human? The thoughts of the human are always about the vampire. It can become all consuming. It doesn’t with Sookie because Eric doesn’t want to turn her into a reinfield. But he can. And she knows that with a whim he could do it to her. Thats how she has to live her life from ATD to DR. Knowing that if he wanted to use the bond against her he could. That option is always there even if he chooses not to use it.

    Back to the giving blood issue. In DITF Eric is injured again, even worse than DTTW. Same situation though: injured vamp = dangerous for a human. She’s not going to take the chance again.

    Her offer of blood in DR is obvious with the offers from the other humans at Fangtasia. Its post battle, he has control of himself but has only a minor injury to his arm. She trusts him with something that small. And hey, even with that injury – he took too much.

    KCScout Reply:

    “The bond is like a tether. She’s tethered to a vampire like a dog to it’s owner.”

    I think you are wrong about this, at least in the case of Sookie and Eric because, I assume, of her fae-ness. The bond tethers Eric and Sookie *together*. The are each vulnerable to the other because they share their feelings whether they want to or not. But, isn’t that they way it is (and should be IMO) with true intimacy? I worry about them both having the ability to communicate their feelings without the bond and that being the cause of misunderstanding and risk of alienation. Add to that the fact that the bond has saved them both on more than one occasion, and I’ll miss it sorely. I *liked* the blood bond.

    Sherry Reply:

    You are right in that the bond tethers Eric and Sookie together. Most definitely it does. It works both ways in that Eric can feel Sookie and Sookie can feel Eric but the bond has far more side effects that favor the vampire side more. Also the tether comment is reflective of a comment Sookie made(I think in DAG)about Sookie’s chains getting a whole lot prettier.

    Eric chooses not to control Sookie. That is part of why their connection is so different from traditional vamp-human interactions. We have seen actually when Appius was there that he could control her. When she “felt” Appius tell her to move through the blood. I’m not sure if she could have chosen to ignore it or not. Maybe she could? Maybe not. Her fae-ness might have given her some control in that regard.

    I think for them to have true intimacy they should be able to communicate but not with a crutch like the BB or Sookie’s telepathy. After all, normal couple have to rely on communication to understand each other all the time and they suffer for not communicating. I think that is a well made and developed point in CH’s world – that with all the supernatural bullshit and means of controlling people to get information, the key to understanding each other for them needs to be actual talking communication.

    KCScout Reply:

    I think Eric could have chosen not to control Sookie, had he had the option but I don’t think either of them were “controlled” by the bond unless you consider them deciding to do something other than they might have because they know each other’s feelings.

    Sookie is one-eighth fae and Eric’s a vampire, the aren’t “normal” and shouldn’t want to be. The only reason I wanted the bond broken was to eliminate the crutch Sookie used to ignore her true feelings about Eric. Remember how long she fretted about Eric *using* Debbie Pelt’s death against her? That was all Sookie and not anywhere close to the truth.

    Sherry Reply:

    But it wouldn’t be above a vampire to use that sort of knowledge to control a human. At that point she still had reservations about Eric. He was the Eric that was willing to send her into a FOTS church knowing danger was there. He was the same Eric who sent her to Mississippi without the knowledge of Lorena’s influence on Bill. He only told her that stuff because of Pam. He was willing to use Sookie’s connection to Bill to make her go. At that point he wasn’t unwilling to torture her if it was absolutely necessary. He doesn’t want to because he likes her and wants to fuck her. But that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t. That Eric – the pre Amensia Eric – he was one scary motherfucker. He had no knowledge of his time as AE so why shouldn’t Sookie be in her right mind to worry about him using something against her?

    SVB Reply:

    The reason I thought it was hot was for the emotional intensity. I thought the couple of scenes that preceded it – the breaking of the bond and Sookie’s reaction to it, and the phone call between them…and then Eric arriving at her house and sitting in his car because he didn’t know what to say…then he gets out and the very FIRST thing he wants to know is if she still loves him. And she does.

    I don’t think I’ve ever “felt” it between the two of them as much as I did through those scenes.

    I think it was dazedrose who mentioned yesterday that the “harder…harder…go harder” stuff from Sookie was like she was trying to “feel” something more with the absence of the bond. I liked that.

    Margaux Reply:

    You totally nailed it SVB. At face value it doesn’t look like much but if you go back and read it slow, its a very intense scene. From cutting the thread to Sookie’s ice pack on her “yahoo palace”.
    It was hot, intense and totally amazing! It also is the part I keep reading over and over again! ;)

    SVB Reply:

    I bawled when she cut the thread.

    Feeling a little ridiculous and a lot scared, but sure that I needed to do this, I snipped the red
    yarn. And I lost Eric. He wasn‘t there. I took the length of yarn automatically from her hand, all my senses stretching out to seek Eric. Nothing.
    I felt a rush of panic. It wasn‘t entirely pure: There was some relief mixed in, which I had expected. And there was grief. “

    And Eric on the phone like right away…”are you alright? what have you done?”

    I love me a bit of angst :lol:

    rainqueen13 Reply:

    That was a painful scene to read. It needed the visit from Eric for balance.

    VikingDame Reply:

    And I loved that he paused in hesitation when he got out of the car and Sookie wasn’t expecting that and was fighting back tears.

    These idiots are in deep love with each other. That just doesn’t go away.

    Margaux Reply:

    It was the, “I lost Eric” that made me tear. Even rereading it makes me sad. I really wish they would have renewed it by the end of the book.

    glamored Reply:

    Margeaux, I got teary here, reading a DESCRIPTION of the scene! It was that intense!

    SVB Reply:

    Yeah, the “I lost Eric” did me in too.

    On renewing it, only a few days passed between when they broke it, and the end of the book.

    I think Sookie needs some time to really think about it some more.

    glamored Reply:

    OMG, I cried! Loud sobbing tears. I was so glad my husband wasn’t home b/c he would have made fun of me, but, yes, so intense. I loved that they BOTH IMMEDIATELY wanted to know if the other was okay. And “do you still love me?” Some of the best stuff in the series. THIS is exactly why it WILL be Eric and Sookie 4-ever! :)

    EricNorthmanforever Reply:

    I know what you mean SVB. Up until this point, I’ve felt that Sookie’s feelings for Eric lacked in intensity. After the bond was broken, the intensity in their love for each other was there.

    Sherry Reply:

    Amy – you’re missing some important points.

    Showing up naked with Bill – at first I thought she would get the wiggens because – dark space with naked Bill – but in fact turned out the opposite. It shows you how far she’s gone from not only victim to survivor, but also how she has absolutely no romantic interest in Bill AT ALL.

    Secondly with Alcide – that’s there to show you how much he’s changed into a complete bag of douchery. Because there were apparently still people who couldn’t figure out what a user and bad packmaster he’d become.

    Sam is her friend – finally after all her life of having half friendships like Arlene and even Tara to some extent (since she can’t share her supe stuff with her), she’s got Sam. A real friend, who understands her human problems AND her supe problems.

    Eric calls her out on being a hypocrite – ok rightfully so, and so does Bill. Then he bites her and he does it hard. THAT was uncalled for and he was being dickish about it because she wasn’t elated with the killing. I don’t think he realized that she’s going to need more than 5 minutes to cope with the deal of a whole lotta people/vamps – which were the result of (in part) of her planning.

    She realizes that too in her own revelation on the drive home with Bill. -Planning it and seeing it are two different things.

    Why does she drive home with Bill? Eric’s the Sheriff and it’s his bar the slaughter went down in. Of course he can’t take her home. He has a mess to clean up.

    CH’s Sookie books aren’t romance. She’s said “well, if I threw in a few explicit sex scenes, maybe I’d attract the romance crowd” – which she did. But her books are mystery and sci-fi. It’s not all about romance.

    Dee Reply:

    Sherry-Excellent points!!!

    That is also exactly how I viewed B/S scene with the hidey hole. The fact that it did not become sexual at all, I think sent a big message.

    Alcide, it was like you said to show how much he changed and also eliminated him as a suitor.

    SVB said in her review how Dead Reckoning was the perfect title for this book and I couldn’t agree more. More so than any other book are we reflecting on Sookie’s past experiences, actions, where she has been, how those experiences has gotten her to where she is now and it gives us an idea of where she will go with Sookie’s character.

    jayetea Reply:

    @Sherry,

    I agree that CH isn’t writing romance novels. I also thought her naked scene with Bill was kind of a watershed scene, because Sookie was able to be in an enclosed space with Bill, while in fear for her life, but she never had a PTSD moment about the trunk. She understood very well how much Bill continues to want to have sex with her and she dealt with it in a humurous way and kind of called him on it.

    I thought the scene with Alcide showed huge character growth for Sookie. She absolutely called him on his bullshit and his need for a shaman for the pack and she finally got it through his thick skull that not only was she not remotely interested in having sex with him, but that she really didn’t like him as a person anymore.

    I did not like the way Eric bit Sookie at the end at all. He was being a dick and he knew it. I also think that Sookie was being hypocritical with her reaction. I understand why Eric was angry, but I think he was wrong to treat her that way. I said this in the forum before, I think, but Eric really should have explained to Sookie in excruciating detail what being blood bonded would mean for her. He should have told her how other supes would perceive their relationship and he should have done the same thing with the vamp marriage. They both leave way too many thing unsaid and unasked… it drives me crazy!!

    I loved this book, though. I think Sookie is making serious progress in self-awareness and self-acceptance.

  • Dee

    Amy-the fact that she was naked, well so was he and he got on top of her and nothing sexual about it shows to me even more how they are at the friend stage.

    I also didn’t mind the drive home because the entire time they spoke about Eric. He also was 100% right and Sookie needed to hear it.

    I view the relationship the way I view most real relationships. It’s all fun and light in the beginning but to get to that next level as a couple, these obstacles are needed. Sticking around when things are all perfect is easy. It’s when you have these hurdles in your relationship, that both people in the relationship are tested. How deep is their love and is this the real thing. A relationship only becomes stronger after overcoming obstacles. So now that it’s getting close to the end, we have to see how real their love is in order to buy a HEA(if it’s them)

    LovetheViking Reply:

    Dee I agree with you. No relationship is all smooth sailing. Real life is not like that at all. I am sure we have all had times in the past with our husbands / partners where we have situations that have been tough and sometimes it has been really hard to see the light at the end of tunnel. But there has to be a part of you that believes once you get past this tough time there will be better times ahead. After 11 books you would expect that there are going to be some ruts in the road. Because now it really will be a test to see if Eric and Sookie can make it. The honeymoon is over.

    Bill to me provided some great comic relief. I actually quite liked his scenes in the book. (Agree that there was no need though for Sookie to be naked under his house. Yes perhaps it did feel a little like placating the Bill lovers, but I think it also had the feel that CH was trying to firmly put everyone in their place in Sookie’s life. There was a lot of loose ends tied up so you could see that CH firmly has her end of the series in mind.

    Viking Dame Reply:

    Totally agree Dee. Just as Sookie has changed over the course of these 11 books, so too has her relationship with Eric. I can’t even see how anyone can expect that their relationship would still be the fun, flirtatious one it started out as. That would just mean that they’re stagnant. I’d much rather have this deeper, layered love that they have now over one that seems more “perky”. This just seems more mature to me.

  • Dee

    LTV-very well said! We have to see what their relationship is made of. Then we would always hear questions such as: well what would Eric do if he has an opportunity to gain more power, he is a vampire, could sookie really live her life with someone who shares such different beliefs from her and etc., well we’re finding out the answers now. Eric has the opportunity to amass more wealth and become more powerful. We see them dealing with her being human and him a vampire and how do her christian beliefs fit in with being in a relationship with a vampire. That is why I think it was very significant that in Grans letter she tells Sookie that all of gods children are sinners.

    The ending with Eric, I saw it more as Sookie was upset with herself. This was her plan to kill Victor, she looked around and I think realized how this was her doing. Now she has a lot of things to evaluate.

  • Sherry

    Hey, so I’m not going to read these comments yet till I’ve completely finished the book (on Chapter 8) BUT I did have the pleasure of meeting Mrs. Charlaine Harris today at Barnes and Nobel for the book premiere and get my book signed.

    She answered a few questions as well:
    There will be happiness for Sookie by the end of the series though(and she was of course crypic about this) she said not all fans may be happy with her “happy” Sookie.

    Sookie’s telepathy will never grow stronger at all when it comes to reading vampire minds. Those brief glimpses she gets are only ever the brief firing of the synapses like a live brain would have.

    (Those were my questions)

    A question about Sookie having children was raised – So CH was of course candid with answering and not answering at the same time. Sookie has a choice to make. She wants children but she understand the drawbacks to having a relationship with a vampire and understands what a choice like that brings (or doesn’t bring).

    She considers Jessica Hamby a perfect foil for SVM and TB Bill.

    She was asked why she is absolutely against having Sookie be a vampire and the response, and I quote was “because she couldn’t sunbathe. And Sookie loves to sunbathe. That would just be too mean.”

    Quinn, as far as CH is concerned for now, is only showing up in the novella.

    Other questions related to working with AB and her writing style. She works from 8:30 in the morning till 11, then from 1-4 in the afternoon and always writes, everyday. She’s come to the conclusion writers are born.

    Also someone who asked about all the characters coffee drinking habits reflecting on her – she drinks three cups in the morning in succession and maybe 1 in the afternoon – if anyone is overly concerned about that.

    That would be all I can remember for now.

    Margaux Reply:

    Thanks for sharing Sherry! I’m hoping her comment about not everyone being happy with Sook’s ending is the Bill Lover’s because she ends up with Eric :)

    SVB Reply:

    Thanks for posting these Sherry!

    So it’s situation normal, then! :lol:

    rainqueen13 Reply:

    Your questions were so much more interesting than others she has been asked recently. Thanks!!! I’m looking forward to seeing her on the west coast next week.

  • jayetea

    Dee and LTV,

    Totally agree. Like SVB has said, Sookie will never go back to being the naive girl she was in DUD after all that’s happened since, especially her torture in DAG. She has become a stronger, more proactive, fiercer and more bloodthirsty version of herself and she is still coming to terms with it. I mean, Sookie doesn’t kill people for fun, but when has to choose between killing somebody and her own survival, she chooses to survive every time.

  • Heather

    Spoiler Alert

    I managed to read the whole book today (even after working my full time job)! I was excited about that. I waited a long time and was so excited for today! Even updating my FB status with a Sookie quote of the day, for the past two weeks!

    I thought the book was good. I must say that I wish there was more Eric in the book, as he is my favorite. When they did talk, it was great and I wish they wouldn’t have been interrupted so much …

    I don’t trust Claude. It isn’t that I don’t like Claude … I just don’t trust him. I do like Dermot. I can’t explain it. Maybe, I am gullible? There has to be something bad about him. Why would Niall, Mr. C, Claudine, and others dislike him so much? That could be political. Who knows? I don’t understand it, because he has been really good to Sookie. At least, he seems really good. Not that he isn’t twisted … he brought a decapitated heads to her back door! He seems to really like her and maybe even love her. I do think Niall is behind Claude living with her.

    I was sad that Miriam died :( This was sad to me. I felt like it could be some kind of foreshadowing for Sookie and Eric. Sookie is going to die. One day, death will catch up with her, no matter what. Honestly, I really wish that CH would not have told us that Sookie wasn’t going to be a vampire. That really restrains my imagination. I hate that. Perhaps, Eric is going to be in Pam’s shoes and have to sit by and watch his “lover” die. Not sure.

    Another thing that makes me wonder about everything is what happened to Sandra Pelt?! What in the hell was eating her? Was anyone else left with that WTF feeling?! I mean the girl deserved what she got, but still, what was those noises?! Is Niall going to appear in the next book and ask Sookie why she is dumping bodies in his portal?

    I am so tired right now I can’t even think. Hopefully, my spelling and grammar is not too horrific!

    Morgan Jane Reply:

    That was scary … the things eating her… I wouldn’t want to stay in that house near there ever again.

    harmony Reply:

    I didnt understand why they could send sandra body and claude isnt able to get through. I think he said the portail was not big enough???

    Olulu Reply:

    I think it was mentioned that it was a good thing Sandra was tiny, that if she’d been any bigger, she wouldn’t have fit. I thought it was a handy way of saying that Claude was too big.

    But would Sookie be too big? Then again, with it basically acting as a garbage disposal, I don’t see her entertaining the thought of slipping through!

    Heather Reply:

    Good point, Olulu! The next time Sookie is running through the woods from an attacker – will she just jump though?! “Hey, Great-Grandfather, I’m here!” I have a bad feeling that she would end up a lot like Sandra if she did that … but then again, that girl can escape most everything! I have never seen someone whose been shot, beat up, chased, and stalked more!!! Isn’t it crazy that during such a traumatic life, she can still sit back and read a book? I’d be so damn freaked out that I would have quit my job and locked myself in the basement with Eric! There is no way that I could live in the middle of nowhere BY MY SELF!

    SVB Reply:

    Yeah, the girl sure has a pair. You have to give her that :lol:

    Heather Reply:

    Haha! Isn’t that the truth! I am a huge wuss!

    wahoozit Reply:

    It was sad that miriam died. However I take that as a hint that Sookie may be wrong in her assumption that Eric won’t want to stick around once she ages. Pam is very much Erics child and she sayed with Miriam even knowing there was a big chance she wasn’t going to be able to turn her.

    Sherry Reply:

    I hope Pam stays, at least until the political upheaval is done. If Eric does become king or regent she might stay on as a sheriff and in a sense be away from Eric if he has to move to another part of the state. But she’s also come to love Sookie in her own way and it would hurt them both if she left.

  • Northwoman

    I noticed that the wedding trip with Sam is in the past tense. Sam seemed a lot more in Sookie’s business in this book, and I wish we could have read the wedding story before this book. Apparently Sam’s family thought they were an item??

    SVB Reply:

    Yeah sounds like the wedding was a bit of a non event. It *was* with Sam…everything to do with Sam is a non event if you ask me :lol:

    EricsRenfield Reply:

    CH is releasing a couple of other SS stories this year, maybe it’s in one of them…

    SVB Reply:

    It’s supposed to be part of the novella in the companion – but since they put back the release of the companion until after DR, I’m guessing it’s not having any impact on the plot of the main novels.

    Mony Reply:

    Yeah, i think that if ti was THAT important they would have changed the novella’s release or at least changed DR, but CH didn’t do any of these so i guess it has an impact in the books but not that important…i hope!

    harmony Reply:

    I made me wonder too, I was sure it would be an important part in this book

  • znb

    i liked this one…despite the ending….well the ending was okay..i just didnt like that he made the bite hurt… :s so out of character…. her going off with bill kinda bothered me…reminded me of when eric was taking her home when she was having bill problems…but i think bill is just not ever going to be a relationship option for her again….her thoughts and interaction with him was strictly and painfully PG rated despite the unnecessary naked situation…
    i was soooooooooooo happy that there wasnt even a mention of quinn!!
    i mean sure there were parts that had me reeeaallly wondering what CH had in store for us…but this book was imp…a lot of important stuff came up….and we have a lot to think about till the last one…
    also…sookie thinking “it was a huge relief when all the humans were gone” after the baby shower………interesting that she would think it that way..almost like she can no longer relate to them….
    my heart went out to pam….i hope she wont leave…
    finally!an end to sandra pelt!!!that bitch was insane!!
    but still….a little worried about E/S…the book just ended on a weird note for me….

    Lor Reply:

    I don’t think Eric made it hurt, I think that was Sookie, she really wasn’t in the mood, was quite upset actually, so that probably transferred to how she felt the bite.
    And her leaving with Bill. I don’t really mind that she won’t see Eric till the next night, as long as they actually talk! But you’re right about her drive with Bill reminding you of her driving with Eric during Bill problems. I think it’s one of many parallels purposely drawn in this book about her relationship with Eric to her one with Bill. And I think Eric still comes out on top. I think I’ll go back and reread the older ones to draw up the parallels in more detail.

    znb Reply:

    true..i didnt mind the whole not immediately clearing up the bad air with eric thing….it was realistic…but it just didnt sit well with me…
    “It hurt. He didn‘t make it feel good, an action almost automatic for a vampire. Tears ran down
    my face without my wanting them to. In an odd way, I felt the pain was merited, justified—but I
    also understood this was a turning point in our relationship.”
    see thats what got to me…he didnt make it feel good…the other vampires thalia included made it feel good to whomever they were drinking from,yet eric didnt….i understand all wasnt peachy between these two..but still it kinda bothered me..maybe more than it should have :)
    and yes!eric always always comes out on top!!i didnt miss the parallels and i think it says a lot (esp to those BLs) that eric still comes out in a better light thn bill ever did….bill who uses conversations with sookie to break up with women..ugh…wht a southern gentleman (eye roll) although i have to say….he didnt bug me much in this book…(i cant believe i said tht!)

    harmony Reply:

    I really dont know how to interpret the “also understood this was a turning point in our relationship”, that makes me fret

    znb Reply:

    yep :s me too…..
    even though i get that it will never be smooth sailing,its just weird that she chooses that point to understand that it was a turning point……just had me a little worried…although i do think she made tons of progress in the trusting eric thing in this book…she dealt with terry info really well if u ask me..

    harmony Reply:

    yeah she dealt with that well, but she knew allready, she just didnt know who

    IATM Reply:

    yea she did deal with the Terry info well.. & she even used Bubba who is another mental case in basically the same fashion.. so being a hyprocrite is a little annoying ..

    Mony Reply:

    “she even used Bubba who is another mental case in basically the same fashion” – She is High Handed, just like Eric LOL

    Freyja Reply:

    It did paralell well. Both Terry and Bubba had simular reaction; Terry flipped out when he struck Sandra, and Bubba screamed uncontrollably when the killing started.

    Heather Reply:

    Good point! She did want to get rid of the humans. Wow, I guess their lives are pretty trivial after mass murder in a Vampire bar!

  • EricsRenfield

    OMG this thread has grown quickly. Has anyone else wondered about the Demon’s telepathy? I’m thinking he has kept a good secret of it, otherwise why would Queen SA & crew be so keen to nab Sookie when she already had the Demon on her payroll? Do you wonder if he has full force telepathy too and therefore can read Vamps as well as everyone & everything else? That would explain why he was able to read Sandra Pelt & know EXACTLY when Sookie was going to be attacked plus it could also explain why other supes were chasing him around. Food for thought.

    Lor Reply:

    Maybe QSA didn’t know Mr C was telepathic? Sookie’s met him before but never knew, yet she could converse with Barry. But Sookie can’t read Mr C can she? So have I just answered that myself? I read these books too fast, really need to spend longer and take notes next time! Regardless, my comment about QSA still stands, maybe she never knew about Mr C and therefore tried to get Sookie.

    harmony Reply:

    I was wondering the same, and think he can rind mind as sookie so not vampire. He might have keeped it secret, do all demon have telepathy? dunno

    LovetheViking Reply:

    Yes I don’t think vampires know that Mr C was telepathic. I think this is something he has kept to himself, however Fintan did (and perhaps other fairies). After all Mr C is related distantly to an elf.

    EricsRenfield Reply:

    See! It’s not just me who thinks Cataliadis has been hiding his Telepathy. I can understand why he’s done it too. I imagine he’d be a prisoner of that gift if everyone knew too, much like Sookie is because of it.

    harmony Reply:

    Other supe might now it if it is a common characteristique for demmon. For sookie, I think he didnt want her to think he comes from him or she was part demmon, she would have questioned him.

    sheldon Reply:

    Yeah, this made me wonder – I did speculate on the forum spoiler thread about whether Mr C told QSA anything about Sookie. Did QSA know about the telepathy, did she know about Sookie’s essential spark. But now, putting more of it together (with the help of all the great comments here), Andre would have known (re the fae heritage) before he tasted her in Book5 that she was fae. So that leaves the telepathy question. If we go with Mr C hiding that from QSA, then he’s not going to tell the queen about Sookie’s gift of telepathy. Did we ever determine how QSA knew about Sookie? Was it as simple as Hadley spilling to beans?

    Whatever the answer, I loved the that whole arc in the book. CH has really got me wanting more. And to her credit (well for me anyway), CH really amped up the mystery in this installement and made me really care about what is going to happen not just re Eric and Sookie romance, but with all the other threads that are currently still dangling. I can’t wait to see how it all turns out

    Millarca Reply:

    Yeah, despite the fact that all my comments so far have related to Eric/Sookie, because that is the story in which I am emotionally invested, CH has made me interested in Mr C., what those pesky fairies are really up to, Sam and his supe library, Bill’s lost bonded love, who is going to succeed Victor, how Felipe is going to respond to Victor’s death, etc., and I look forward to finding out.

    Gretchen Reply:

    Hmmm. So Hadley was the Queen’s pet for years (at least long enough for the Sophie Ann to fall in love with her.) I find it hard to believe that Andre never tasted Hadley during that time. If he did, wouldn’t he have know she was part fae? And if Andre knew, then Sophie Ann knew.

  • krtmd

    Did anyone else expect there to be more of a discussion between Eric and Sookie about Sookie being turned? I mean other than Eric saying ‘you don’t want to spend eternity with me’ and Sookie saying “I don’t know”. When CH said Eric was going to ask Sookie about becoming a vampire in the next book, I expected more of conversation about this. I realize they got interrupted, by Bubba of course, and again, when aren’t their important conversations interrupted or set aside for the pressing matters at hand? I should know better than to expect things, shouldn’t I?

    SVB Reply:

    That was CH’s typical hype :lol:

    I thought the “I don’t know” response was progress. I don’t want Sookie to turn – but I DO want her to think about it. And her “I don’t know….an eternity with Eric!” was a pretty big marker that she’s thinking about the mortality issue, and the logistics of spending her life with him.

    It’s a far cry from her previous refusal to even entertain the idea.

    I’ll take it. :)

    LLE Reply:

    What I learn about CH she likes to spins things. I take her interviews “grain of salt”. She does change her mind.

    Couple years ago, that Quinn would be in Sookie companion and they will talk and he will tell her that he was very punished and it would be big impact in the book series. Quinn was not mention at all in book 11 and we did not find out anything what they said.

    CH sometimes will say that not going to happen it could be shut people up and we really don’t what going to happen at all.

  • jayetea

    @krtmd – I was frustrated that they kept getting interrupted also; first my Amelia and Bob and then by Bubba. I was glad that Eric said once that he was making time to come talk with Sookie. That is what they are going to have to do if they want their relationship to survive; make time to talk somewhere where they will not be interrupted. It did sort of make me laugh that Bubba interrupted them AGAIN (nice, Charlaine), but seriously, I hope to see some serious conversation between E/S in book 12!!! Hopefully while locked away in Eric’s bedroom!

    krtmd Reply:

    f’ing Amelia – she’s dead to me ;-)

    SVB Reply:

    She’s always been dead to me. Dodgy witch.

    UGH.

    jayetea Reply:

    Yeah, I anxiously await the Amelia Broadway character assassination thread when it’s the appropriate time!!!

    SVB Reply:

    Screw the forum thread, she gets her own blog post.

    Stay tuned :lol:

    jayetea Reply:

    Yay!! :)

    harmony Reply:

    yeaaahhhh!!!

    znb Reply:

    cant wait!!!

    Margaux Reply:

    Can’t wait to see that post SVB, I have no doubt there are many peeps about to rip her apart including myself!

    Mony Reply:

    Agree. That witch is not someone Sookie should trust anymore IMO.

    Lor Reply:

    I agree she’s not to be trusted but I’m unsure as to whether that’s just because she meddles too much and just can’t keep her mouth shut, or if she’s got ulterior motives/is working for someone. I don’t wanna be cynical and think there’s someone pulling Amelia’s strings, but maybe its naive to think she’s just messed up. I used to like Amelia, and I do wish she was a good friend to Sookie, but she’s let her down too many times now.

    LLE Reply:

    I wonder why Amelia hated Eric, I can see her making play for him and he turn her down. She could not have him, does not want Sookie to have him either. Amelia was never Sookie friend and she use Sookie to run way from her own problems.

    The person that I really felt sorry for was Bob and was a cat for six months. Amelia really did not care about turning Bob in a cat just being punishing from the witches that she care about.

    Viking Dame Reply:

    I don’t even get Amelia’s sudden total dislike of Eric for Sookie. I don’t recall her being that anti-Eric before. It seems that everyone in Sookie’s life who is not named Eric or Pam is against their relationship. Even dimbulb Bubba favors Bill over Eric.

    I also got annoyed with the constant interruptions to E/S’s serious talks. Either that or Eric/Sookie would suddenly change the direction of the conversation just when stuff was starting to get to the good stuff. These conversations need to happen.

    IATM Reply:

    Right ,

    i didnt understand why Ameila all of a sudden hates or dislikes Eric?? in DITF she didnt even come across as disliking him & it was Sookie who asked her to find a way to break the BB..

    so happen between the 6 months that Amelia would dislike Eric?? even in FDTW Ameila didnt come across as disliking Eric during the takeover..

    it seems like Sookie surrounds herself around a bunch of HATER’s .. & that is a serious problem of mines..

    Mony Reply:

    Yeah, but she was never on Eric’side either IMO.
    I remember all the times she forgot to tell Sookie when Eric called her and left messages for her, but while it was Quinn she even run at Merlotte’s to tell her. She wanted to give Sookie the impression that Eric didn’t care about her at all or maybe she just didn’t want for Sookie to be involved with vamps, but since she even asked her to ask Eric to meet her father frt business i strongly believe that Amelia acted in that way to impress her father or becouse someone told/forced her.

    IATM Reply:

    Right all the so “friends” want Sookie to ask Eric for favor’s for them like Amelia asking Sookie to ask Eric to talk to her father or connecting a meeting with him & yada,yada,yada.. & Sam is the same way.. i dont understand why all the HATEING is going on for no logical reason?? Eric wasent even the one who was sent by the Queen to seduce & secure Sookie.. & Billy still get’s love in that small town..

    in DITF Sam told Sookie she should go visit Bill…i was like really?? Sookie is her friends puppet & they hate on her relationship & she doesnt really stick up for it.. but she goes & ask Eric for favor’s for them when they request Sookie to do so..

    IATM Reply:

    plus another reason i find it so odd that Sookie offer’s Eric blood in DR after the fight scene was the simple fact that :

    1. in DITF when Eric was injured from Alexie she didnt offer her blood

    glamored Reply:

    She didn’t offer her blood in DITF because she had taken the shaman drug and because she knew she would need her strength to confront Appius and Alexei.

    IATM Reply:

    oh okay, if that was the reason..

    i still feel that throughout the 11 books Sookie has always been “ify” on giving Eric her blood.. evben in DTTW after he was healing from the gun wound she passed him a bottle of TB..

    so in DITF when he was injured from Alexie i could have sworn Sookie said something about not wanting to make the BB stronger so she got him a bottle of TB.. & he looked at her funny..

    now in DR she is okay with offering him her blood when he was injured.. i find that odd indeed..

    Viking Dame Reply:

    To be fair, in FDTW Sookie was very tempted to give in and allow Eric to drink her blood. But she was still trying to not give in to her feelings for him at that time b/c 1) she still considered herself to be with Quinn and 2) she was still mistrustful of Eric’s true feelings for her (lust or love).

    IATM Reply:

    i can agree with that..

    besides in DR Bill asked Sookie to feed him & she turned him down.. :-) Bill asked Sookie to sleep with him in DITF & she turned him down.. :-)
    Bill in FDTW asked Sookie to lay with him agian & she turned him down.. :-)

    3 strikes your out kinda thing.. even with the naked hidey hole situation in DR it was no play :-)

    not sure what CH was trying to convey to the reader’s about all this undying love Billy so calls have for Sookie.. it seems strained to me.. even in DUD when Billy didnt try to save Sookie from Long Shadow.. since he claims he would die for her & yada,yada,yada… it seems phoney & forced that CH is now trying to convince us reader’s that Bill isnt that bad..

    his role in DR pretty much seemed like his job was to throw more compliments out to Sookie about how good looking she is, how much he still loves her & desire’s to sleep with her, & how muciving up to be with Sookieh Eric will be giving up to be with Sookie..

    Sherry Reply:

    You’re comparing book 1 bill to book 8 bill. You realize what time and circumstance have played in changing Bill between those 8 books, no?

    In DUD Bill really doesn’t care that much for Sookie, YET? He in fact tries to hook her up with Eric when they first go to fangtasia – knowing that he’s already started developing feelings for her and he has to completely fuck up her life because the queen wants her.

    Sookie doesn’t offer Eric blood after he gets shot because Bill’s draining her was 2 weeks ago. She is still traumatized and thinking an injured vamp will drain her.

    She offers him blood when Micky hits him. When he gets shot by the were he drinks the were’s blood. She knew he was conning her by the time they got back to her place in book 8. And she knew if she let him in, things she wasn’t comfortable yet with were probably going to happen.

    Again in DITF – injured vamp, human nearby = disaster. Thats her self preservation kicking in.

    IATM Reply:

    Sookie wasent that afraid of Bill after he raped & drained her in CD.. in fact in DAAD she was already making excuses for it..

    now in DR she runs naked to Bill’s hidey hole..

    yes, i understand the time between DUD – DR Bill’s.. & Sookie’s character as well.. her self preservation is odd to me on so many levels..

    deb Reply:

    I don’t think that was odd. At that time she was not wanting to increase the blood bond…trying to find ways to get rid of it and totally suspicious that the blood bond was all there was…. At the end of DR she knows he’s celebratory…doesn’t like it but hey…he deserves it and she was hypocritical. She knows their bond was not based on the blood but on the love they share.

  • glamored

    Is just me? It really pisses me off that her response to the turning question is that she loves to sunbathe!?!?? How effing shallow is that? She won’t become a vampire b/c she is too vain? I don’t mind her not becoming a vampire, but there needs to be a better reason than sunbathing!

    glamored Reply:

    Sorry this was supposed to reply to Sherry’s comments on CH’s book signing discussion. Had a tech issue.

    Lor Reply:

    Nah, I think that’s Charlaine Harris just avoiding answering. At least I certainly hope that’s not the sole reason she doesn’t wanna be turned!

    jayetea Reply:

    Lor, I agree with you; I think that’s a classic CH non-answer!

    Sherry Reply:

    It is, isn’t it? She’s ok with Sookie getting beaten to near death and staked and raped but no sun for eternity is “too mean.”

    I found that…odd.

    glamored Reply:

    Thanks, ladies. I thought about that for a while before I posted and it just pissed me off. It seems really disresepctful IMO to the fans who have invested in these characters (and clearly we have INVESTED in the characters:)!)to deliver such a lame reasoning!

    LovetheViking Reply:

    Sookie is portrayed as a bit vain, so I think the response about Sookie liking to sunbathe is spot on as it does fit in with her vanity.

    Millarca Reply:

    It’s a feeble excuse, IMO. Besides, sunbathing is not good for you. Far more healthy, and much, much better for the long-term condition of the skin, to cultivate a fair, milky complexion, such as was so highly rated by Scarlett O’Hara. Sookie should take to using a parasol. :D

    I think that was a non-answer from CH, and a rather clever one, too.

    Sherry Reply:

    LOL at the parasol.

    Maybe she can get a petticoat for Bill.

    deb Reply:

    I do think that it was CH’s way to ‘put off’ the questioning but Sookie’s a ‘sky fae’ right? They love the outdoors and sun…isn’t that where she always wants to be when she’s feeling down?

  • RubySun03

    So glad to have this forum and SVB to support me during the other 364 days of the year spent waiting to know what will happen next in this saga! I would go crazy otherwise. Though I don’t post much, I do read pretty much everything that is said on here, and it always helps because I am generally an optimistic person, but when it comes to this story, I just get crazy with worry.

    I really enjoyed DR as an entertaining read, much better than the last few plot wise, but the ending really left me feeling upside down. I enjoyed pretty much all of Sookie and Eric’s interactions, but the end, aagh! I know CH loves to leave us with a bit of an up in the air feel, at least for the last couple of books, but I kept hoping that she would talk to Eric one more time before the last page. This is going to be an especially hard year until next May!! At least we have a lot to discuss in the mean time.

    Like what will Pam do now? What will Sookie do with the cloviel dor? What will happen with the QoOK? What is up with Mr. C? What is up with the faeries at Hooligans? What is up with Dermot? Will they (or Eric) be punished? And the big question what will happen with Sookie and Eric? I’m sure there are much more than this. We should compile a list of questions and address them each week or couple of weeks on a thread or whatever.

  • Morgan Jane

    Let’s think about what Eric said in the book… I don’t have the quotes but..

    He tells her to quit her job, move in with him, makes excuses to Victor about why she doesn’t live with him or work at Fangtasia, Pam comments she lives with other men and goes shopping with them… What kind of husband is he?

    He wouldn’t let Pam tell Sookie, he told Sookie about QOK offer… Do we know if he told her the whole story? He obviously can’t use the marriage with Sookie as an excuse not to marry QOK because it doesn’t look real. Eric said before it is the only kind that mattered to him but Sookie has yet to commit.

    He is under the impression that she would want to spend eternity with him and she doesn’t know, just like she won’t move in… even when in danger… but anyone else can live with her.

    She has never given herself wholy to Eric like she has Bill and Alcide. He keeps getting rejection, she won’t allow him to even protect her when she is in trouble. Then she tells him he just talks about killing Victor and won’t act… then she doesn’t want to celebrate with him when it is over.

    Poor Eric, he is the giver in the stories. All he gets from her is rejection…. He was trying to get out of the situation with QOK before Sookie even knew but now I am afraid Sookie will push him away even more… especially if she doesn’t know how he feels all the time.

    jayetea Reply:

    @Morgan Jane –
    I understand some of your frustration, but in fairness to Sookie, Eric could have and really should have explained to her in detail what being blood bonded means for her in the supernatural world as well was what being vamp married means. Sookie was manipulated into that marriage; granted Eric did it to protect Sookie, but he really should have talked to her about it afterward and explained everything in detail.

    I don’t understand what you mean about Sookie giving herself to Bill and Alcide. Sookie hasn’t ever given herself to Alcide. She has been manipulated into helping him more than once and I think in DR she finally stood up for herself with him and saw through his bullshit.

    Sookie’s actions where Eric is concerened say a great deal. She has saved his life numerous times and put her own life at risk in the process. I agree that Sookie’s communication skills leave a huge amount to be desired, but she is getting better. Frankly, I think the Queen of OK situation is a good thing for their relationship in a way, because neither one of them can hold anything back any longer if they want to stay together. She will have to accept Eric’s vampire nature and all that that means with open eyes and not be judgmental about it. It’s going to have to be all or nothing with them from now on, I think.

    Morgan Jane Reply:

    Sorry, I meant Quinn who she was going to at least spend a month with kinda playing house. And Bill who she said Didn’t ask her to marry him… she wanted him too… she would have said yes.

    KCScout Reply:

    Morgan Jane, I think the more pertinent question to be answered is “What kind of wife is Sookie?” Only Sookie can decide that. Eric and Sookie are *very* alike, despite apparent differences; they can both be “high-handed” and keep secrets;) They don’t communicate well and without the “bullshit meter” to keep their insecurities at bay, they are going to have to improve or the relationship won’t survive.

    Mony Reply:

    “What kind of wife is Sookie?” – ITA with that! and this will be in the next 2 books. i really believe she will prove what kind of wife she is for and to Eric.

    Sherry Reply:

    I agree. Sookie can’t use her telepathy here or what she understands of Eric’s emotions to read him and Eric – who has much more understanding of Sookie’s emotions than he lets on, cant use the BB to figure out when she’s bullshitting him.

    They are on even ground now toward an understanding with each other. I think that’s the most important point with them.

    Adrienne Reply:

    Part of the story imo with the QoO is that she’s one of the sharks trying to “bite” off part of Felipe’s kingdom. I guess the biggest issue will be not so much is Eric tempted by QoO but is Felipe willing to part with Eric now that Victor is dead. Handing Eric over as a bribe may not be an option now. I feel Felipe let Victor and Eric battle it out so as not to have to make a decision to then weigh out his options. Of course we really don’t know too much about Felipe so far either. Eric does value his freedom above all power. To him, having freedom in his own area is a satisfying amount of power.

    jayetea Reply:

    @Adrienne,
    Very good points. Yeah, I think that Felipe will do whatever he thinks is best for himself politically…I actually think having Eric married to Oklahoma would be bad for Felipe, because, like you said, she’s one of the sharks circling his territory and Eric would be a powerful ally for any monarch. Texas is also in a precarious position, because Stan Davis is still so weak after his injuries in Rhodes, so maybe Oklahoma will choose to go there first…idk. Plus Eric was a huge money maker for Felipe before Victor started poaching his business, so it would seem to me that Felipe would want to keep Eric in Louisiana, if he thought Eric would remain loyal to him.

    Margaux Reply:

    Morgan Jane, I can see how you can take Eric’s comments as being not a good husband but I think he’s speaking merely from frustration. I get frustrated with Sookie sometimes, that she insists on staying in her house when’s she in complete danger. He’s freaking out over her vulnerability not to mention that all the Victor stuff is clearly adding to the tension.
    But you have to look at Sookie’s character as a whole and see that she has come along way. She is finally standing up for herself and is giving herself more to Eric. She openly admitted that she loves him and doesn’t want to see him with anyone else. What Jayetea said was right, they both could use a crash course him communication but both have been high-handed with each other. Even Sookie admits she doesn’t tell her “husband” everything so that could make her a bad wife if you look at in those terms.
    I’m not sure what you meant by giving herself to Alcide and Bill because she hasn’t done that with either…

    Morgan Jane Reply:

    Sorry for the misunderstanding… Pam said “What kind of husband are you” to Eric. I am saying that he is the giver that wants the relationship to be like a marriage and Sookie doesn’t know.

    deb Reply:

    Totally agree…this and several books have been about Eric chasing after Sookie. He has asked her to move in…only woman besides Pam to come to his home…first words out of his mouth after breaking of the bb..’do you still love me’. He’s got it bad. I love Sookie but in the next book she needs to show Eric that SHE will FIGHT for HIM. Bring it…can’t wait to see what happens. I’m expecting lots of drama but an Eric/Sookie HEA in the end.

    Sherry Reply:

    I think she’s shown it in her own way, whether she’s ready to admit it to herself or not yet.

    Who does she think of to go to first in Rhodes? Eric

    Who does she feel is not right when leaving Merlotte’s parking lot? Eric

    When she feels Eric’s suffering and turmoil when Appius and Alexi show up and there is that mysterious week where she doesn’t hear word one from him, what does she do? Go to him and try to comfort him at fangtasia.

    She feels something is wrong and makes Jason drive to Eric’s house. She helps him not only heal but get his mindset back together so they can go find Appius and Alexi.

    He does have it bad, yeah. But I think she does too; she’s just not ready to admit it yet.

  • Kristen

    Okay, so not to journey too far into the realm of bad fan fiction here, but could Sookie use the cluviel dor to bring Eric back to life? I’m not finished yet with the book, but I did just read where she contemplates whether or not she could use the object to bring Miriam back to life for Pam… could CH be laying the groundwork for a human Eric?? I’m not even sure how I feel about that, or how Eric would feel about that, more importantly, but it does seem strange that it’s an object that is essentially a genie-in-a-bottle type thing JUST FOR THE ONE YOU LOVE. It has to be a personal request…

    I’m not sure I can imagine CH even going there, but could this be her ace-in-the-hole to wrap everything up? Again, I think it would go against her personality to have everything sewn up so nicely with what would amount to a nice piece of ‘deus ex machina’, but what other purpose can the cluviel dor serve in this late stage of the series?? This, above most everything else in the book, is the one thing that is really puzzling me… thoughts??

    znb Reply:

    yeah i dont think turning eric human is a valid option for CH…dont think she would even consider it…he is a vampire..and damn good at it…he loves it..y would sookie unfairly take that away from him? how would he deal with that? too many questions…..although i am sure the cluviel dor is very important for maybe the last book,cant wait to see what CH does with it..

    wahoozit Reply:

    I don’t think Eric would thak Sookie for being made human at all. He likes what he is and the power he has and willhavein the future as it gives him the autonomy to do as he wishes. if he were human he would not have that autonomy plus Sookie would be off to Nevada before she could blink and they would threaten Eric to make her comply…They would both hate that.

    Plus the Cluviel Dor cannot change anyones nature just their circumstances as far as I see. If Sookie can’t change her telepathy with it, then by the same token it won’t make anyone human, or bring anyone back to life. its too late then.

  • jayetea

    Kristen,

    I just can’t see CH turning Eric human. I just think it would be way too cheesy and I don’t think Eric would want that. Also, I think it would sort of defeat the purpose of the whole journey Sookie has been on in relating to the supernatural world. I think that Sookie either has to love Eric as he is, the whole package, including the blood and violence or she needs to give him up and turning him human would be a cop out. I do think that Sookie will use the cluviel dor to help Eric in some way… unless she used it to help Hunter (and we know she can’t remove his telepathy). IDK…I’m pretty stumped at the moment.

    Kristen Reply:

    I completely agree with you… I wouldn’t WANT the ‘human, hand holding, happily ever after’ for E&S, but it was emphasized so many times that the cluviel dor is powerful magic “that can change the course of someone’s life”… I mean, there were almost no limits put on its power… I’m pulling my hair out right now, because it seems like something with that much power has to do something REALLY BIG… if not it would be anti-climatic. I found myself thinking that Sookie was thinking too small when she considered the uses of the cluviel dor… I don’t know, maybe I’m reading too much into it, but CH opened a lot of possibilities with that one small object…

    IATM Reply:

    well Sookie cant use it to take away her Telepathy nor Hunter’s.. i wonder if she is going to use it on the Oklahoma situation??

    besides Mr. C was very clear that there will be reprecussions anyway after Sookie uses it..

    SVB Reply:

    Exactly. I completely agree. The whole POINT is Sookie figuring out how to make her “unconventional” HEA work.

    deb Reply:

    My hope is that she will use the C.D. to prolong her time with Eric or they’ll grow old together. My god..the man is over 1000 years old…is he not tired yet? I hate that she’ll get old and he won’t…its gotta be used somehow in THAT way…

  • Margaux

    I haven’t heard anyone talk about Hunter and the whole Mr. C development.
    If Sookie was given her telepathy by Mr. C because she had the “spark” why does Hunter have it?
    Does Mr. C know about Hunter?
    Natalie4Eric thinks this is a huge side story that people are missing and I think I’m going to have to agree. Maybe we won’t ever get those questions answered in true CH style.

    IATM Reply:

    Mr. C explained that Hunter had the spark just like Sookie.. Hadley was part Faeish as well.. it will basically continue to go down the family line it appears.. so even if Sookie wanted kids this is something that she has to think about anyway.. her kids could get the spark like she & Hunter got it..

    Margaux Reply:

    But didn’t he have to hold her to figure that out? Do you think he has meet Hunter? I read it really fast so I may have missed something. Thanks IATM!

    IATM Reply:

    yea Mr. C knew Hadley & he knows about Hunter as well.. & when Jason or Hunter or Sookie have kids their kids could possibly get the spark as well for the Telepathy.. it’s in the family now.. even if it skips 1 kid it is still in the same generation Sookie & Jason or only 3 years apart.. that is the same generation.. & Hadley only had 1 kid ( Hunter)..

    glamored Reply:

    Mr. C. had Gran and Fintan drink his blood. That ensured that any descendent who had the spark would automatically be telepathic. He didn’t have to see Sookie to give her the gift, he had already given it to Gran. Likewise, he didn’t have to see Hunter, he had the spark so he automatically received the gift.

    IATM Reply:

    Right Glamour,

    & didnt CH already spoil that Sookie wont have kids? , she wont be turned into a vampire, & she wont have a traditional HEA & she will have great sex at the end??

    so since in DR since Sookie knows that she can pass this telepathy to her own kids & she hates her gift still & was ready to get rid of Hunter’s telepathy untill Mr. C told her she couldnt use it for that.. i mean i wonder if we are really going to have to read for the last 2 books about Sookie wanting kids & a normal life yada,yada,yada.. it seems like if she hates her telepathy that much she wouldnt want to pass it to her kids if they get the “spark”…

    LLE Reply:

    CH said that Sookie will be around children but necessary have children. She never said that Sookie will never have children. It depends on who Sookie picks as a mate.

    Eric can’t give her any children but if she pick Sam she could have children.

  • Margaux

    At least CH gave us a TON to go over and pick apart for the next 364 days! Ha!

  • znb

    and what is with claude being worried about sookie being out of a job if merlottes were out of business……did any one else think it was weird that he remarked on her possible unemployed status in the future?

    IATM Reply:

    Sookie giving Sam money to keep Merlotte’s open & in business was a lame ploy to me.. Sookie would rather do that instead of going to college ( online classes) or what was the other option she planed for yourself ??

    oh yea working as a waitress at some other resturant.. very low ambition there Sook **shake head**

    so she gives Sammy a loan to keep Merlotte’s in business.. & she pretty much is going to become a partner i guess?? maybe Sam at the end moves to TX?? who knows, but i thought that was silly in DR though..

    glamored Reply:

    Yep, I think that is exactly why this was there. She is going to be Sam’s business partner. That is also why she filled out the insurance forms. To show that she has skills that Sam doesn’t, and that they will be a good business partnership. I didn’t think is was silly, at all. I thought it was laying another layer on the foundation.

    IATM Reply:

    i would have perfered Sookie to have bigger dreams then being partner’s at Merlotte’s.. but that is just me..

    i understand she consider’s Sam her “best friend” & all & it was a loan.. so the least he could do is make her a partner.. but the business is failing at the moment.. so giving him money to keep it up is kinda a whatever ploy to me.. Sookie will always be in Bon Temps & that is the bottom line..

    glamored Reply:

    For a girl from Bon Temps, owning one’s own business is about as successful as it gets. Think about the people in town who Sookie describes admiringly or as if they have it together: cops, teacher, lawyers, insurance agent, business owners. She has said many times that she likes her job and she is good at it. When she mentions getting a degree there is nothing definite about it, nothing that she really wants to study. I see this as a satisfying step on the road to the end: Sookie gets to keep doing what she’s doing but with more involvement, responsibility, and security.

  • Viking1

    CH has already mentioned that Sookie will not be a vamp/vamps will not turn human on the CharlaineHarris.com website:

    Will Sookie ever become a vampire? Can vampires in the Sookieverse become human again?

    Will Sookie ever become a vampire?

    No. She is happy with who she is.

    Can vampires in the Sookieverse ever become human again?

    No.

    ———————-
    It’s a wonderful idea though. Maybe the Cloviel dor will be used to save someone’s life whom she loves in the end…who knows…

    IATM Reply:

    Yea that is what i think also.. Sookie did ask Mr. C if she could kill someone with it.. & he said yes, if the person is harming someone you love..

    so Sookie is to use the Cloviel Dor on something related to who she loves.. & Frankly Sookie loves everyone .. i mean really if Sam is injured or harm & Sookie has the CD on her she will use it.. maybe Felipe tries to kill Eric & she uses it on Felipe.. maybe Oklahoma tries something & she uses it for that reason?? who knows !! but the repercussion will be interesting.. Mr. C said she can change events, or the world with this magic.. but beware there will be a consequence ..

  • Paloma

    I am so pissed! I wrote a whole book about this and somehow it got deleted. Ugg!

    Anyway, I actually liked this one. A lot. Sure, I thought there would be more E/S romps in the bedroom, and I totally miss the flirty relationship between E/S. I really miss cocky and confident Eric. BUT, this is what real life relationships go through. (OK, obviously there’s is one far removed from reality, vampire, part-fae telepaths are not real life, but you catch my drift). They are going through their rough patches but Sookie isn’t running! She has made very important strides in her development. She realizes her mistakes and what they have cost her and Eric. She recognizes her own hypocrisy. I think she is mourning the loss of what her idea of what her life would be like and I think that she is reconciling her past ideas, that have always been pretty black and white (morality and love especially) with what her experiences have taught her….that there is no absolutes.

    Anyway…I usually tend to be a worry wart when it comes to Eric and Sookie ending up together. But I’m not worried. Seriously. Who else could it be? Dermot? no way…she won’t go there with an uncle after what happened with Bartlett, no matter how hot he is (and him looking like Jason is not something that she could easily get over). Sam? Nope. CH wouldn’t have written that he was her best friend like a thousand times if she didn’t want us to get that there was nothing more between them. Bill? Nope. He is definitely the past. For God sake they were naked together, on top of each other, and nothing happened. Alcide and Quinn? Done. And I don’t think at this point she can feasibly bring in another character. We’ve had 8 books of build-up for E/S. She doesn’t have enough time to make us fall in love with someone else.

    I’m curious as to how Felipe will take all this. I don’t think he’ll punish Eric too much. I think he will be grateful that he got rid of Victor. As much as he was loyal to Victor, he only made him regent, not king, and of Louisiana, not Louisiana AND Arkansas. He knows Victor is trouble. Eric proved he was the stronger vampire by taking him out. And now that Felipe is spread even more thin, he’s got to realize that the sharks are circling. Basically, he needs Eric. I think that in the end, Eric will take the throne. Either Felipe gets killed by Oklahoma and somehow in the process Eric takes the throne, or Eric out right goes after the throne knowing that that would be the only way he could truly keep Sookie safe (and maybe him being king will supercede Ocella’s agreement and will allow him to say no to the marriage?) I don’t think he wants to be king, but he’ll have to take it to keep Sookie safe. And honestly, he is TOTALLY a king and should take what’s rightfully his.

    I’m not worried about the queen. At the very least, Sookie has a get out of jail free card and could use it to free Eric, but somehow I doubt she will. I’m afraid that Eric will be forced to go through the motions of the marriage until Felipe or Oklahoma fight each other and somehow Eric makes it through alive and unmmaried. I’m also afraid that CH will wind up making Sookie stand on her own. With no HEA in the end. If it isn’t Eric, then its nobody. God I hope not.

    Anyway…I have a question. Essential spark? Thought only people with fairy blood had it, and if that is so, was Adele part fairy?

    Ok…back to work before I get fired!!!

    Adrienne Reply:

    Mr. Cataliades: “It’s an openness to the other world. Some humans literally can’t believe there are creatures in another world besides ours, creatures who have feelings and rights and beliefs and deserve to live their own lives. Humans who are born with the essential spark are born to experience or perform something wonderful, something amazing.”

    He clearly states “humans who are born” which could be any human out there. His gift of telepathy was given as as gift for Adele and Fintan’s descendants it is a demon trait, not a fairy one. However, they have to have the essential spark to be telepathic.

    Viking Dame Reply:

    Excellent point Paloma about Sookie coming from a previous world view that was all in black and white to now finding herself in a world that all in shades of grey. The rules and morals that she grew up with simply don’t work in this new world of hers. And being part fae herself AND the GGD of the last fairy prince, the supe world is her world now whether she’s with Eric or not.

    glamored Reply:

    VD, that is so true. She wasn’t tortured because she was Eric’s girlfriend/wife, nor because she was a telepath, she was tortured because she was Niall’s GGD. She’s in the shit whether she wants to be or not, even without vamps.

    Mony Reply:

    Great post Paloma! ITA with pretty much everything you said and you made some really good points on both Sookie and Eric and their journey ;)
    Sookie won’t end up alone, CH confirmed it (and she also said no more new suitors) but she also said that Sookie’s HEA is not totally connected with her love life, it’s a big part but not everything so i guess the ending will left us wondering about her future like all the other series of CH but with Sookie in a stable relationship..
    she actually is in a stable relationship with Eric now, and i truly believe that in the next 2 books they will have some big discussions about their future ;) It will be an open end, CH didn’t write absolute, but i can accept it, not a big problem.

  • Olulu

    Someone’s gotta talk me off the ledge because I see Sam as HEA all over this thing. I started getting that little foreboding feeling in DitF first … CH taking Sook and Sam’s friendship off the premises so to speak. Her deep concern Janalynn isn’t right for him, that he can do better than the political animal who likes cracking skulls … and Sam’s exact deep concern for Sookie regarding Eric.

    I didn’t see CH placing Sam firmly in the “friend zone” so much as I saw her upgrading him from boss-friend, to best-friend. Add on top of this Eric getting painted with the Bill brush and the splintering of Sook & Eric’s relationship, with her culminating wish for “simple things” and all I can see now is a “Oh, Sam … it was always you” kind of ending.

    I think CH painted Eric with the Bill brush – even exactly echoed Bills’ near draining of her in the trunk with the painful bite after the battle and his inability/unwillingness to stop drinking until she pinched his ear. Like she did with Bill. I thought all of the Eric/Sookie scenes were painful – they admit they say they love each other, but not that they do. They schedule sex. They said ‘I love you’ a lot but always in seeming apologies for behaviors or circumstances (much like Bill and Sookie did).

    I never thought CH would give us an HEA before the end, so I figured we’d be in for more obstacles facing E&S, but that they’d be external (like Oklahoma and Appius’ interferences). But so much of their splintering seemed internal. Eric tells Sookie she and Pam are the only ones he trusts, but she goes ahead and breaks the bond without much consideration. This after she utilized it to great effect to save Eric and Pam (and presumably herself) from the poisoned drinks.

    Victor’s end seemed like self-preservation to me from Sookie, rather than her standing by Eric for him and for them as a couple. There didn’t seem to be much left to salvage between the two of them anyway.

    As for Sam seeming to hide something, I got the distinct impression it was his being in love with her he was trying to shield. She got ‘purple’ from him when she picked the earrings for Janalynn. In DitF, purple was the color of deep misery. I took that as misery that he was with the right girl, buying the right gift, all for the wrong girl. (When I say right girl, I mean that he thinks Sookie is the right girl for him, not that I do!).

    I’ve walked away feeling upended about the whole thing. The only hope I can muster for E&S is that CH has been giving us an intriguing, sexy and passionate character in Eric from Book 1, and that it would be unthinkable to sink him in the final 2-3 books. But after what I read last night, I am just not confident.

    I thought there might be another potential suitor thrown at Sook to “threaten” Eric, and if it had been a new character, it would have been easy to keep the faith. But it’s Sam. Boring Sam, but steadfast and simple Sam. Sam who can give her babies, and Mr. C who may be able to stop the continuance of the gift, making children a more viable future for Sookie?

    All I know is, I’m gonna need a lot of spoilers before I can read Book 12!

    IATM Reply:

    yea all through DR CH painted Eric in Billy Boy’s vampire shoes.. all the way from fighting with Pam & not stoping his feeding after Sookie offered her blood.. & it really boils down that i think Eric would be better off going with Oklahoma if you ask me.. i’m glad the BB is broke also.. Sookie is up for grabs ..

    but i think her attitude about Jannalyn not being right for Sammy & Sammy doesnt like Eric is so immature IMO.. why did Sam’s family think that Sookie & Sam were dating at the wedding?? so neither one of them clarified that false assumption?? is that foreshadowing Sam as Sookie’s HEA???

    Olulu Reply:

    All I know is that if Sam and Sook end up together, CH shouldn’t have bothered with Books 2-12!

    I really don’t want to be one of SVB’s frustrated readers distracted by the short term plot developments, but this is really hard. I can see them overcoming QoOK, but the rest, their whole relationship as it stands? Very hard to see it turning around.

    I would have also loved to have seen more of Pam and Miriam. Pam finally finds someone she cares for so much that she would want to turn them, and we don’t get to see that? Maybe in a short story…

    IATM Reply:

    IDK about Sam.. Sam always comes acorss to me as a HATER anyway.. small town bar owner who dislikes vampire’s.. but Sam thought it was cool to have Sookie ask Eric for help in DAAD.. Sam thought it was cool to tell Sookie that she should hook up with Calvin so she isnt with a vampire.. Sam thought it was cool to say to Sookie in DITF that he “wants her to be happy, but not with Eric”..

    it seems like unless Eric has done something to Sam directly what is his whole point of dislike?? it wasent Eric’s fault that Felipe did the Take Over in FDTW.. in fact Sookie & Quinn indirectly are responsible for that outcome IMO.. it wasent Eric who was responsible for the Fae trying to kill Sookie in DAG..

    if Sam’s only dislike is the fact that Sookie is dating a vampire & he feels that her life is always in danger behind it.. that really goes way back too DUD.. & the money that Sookie loaned to Sam in DR most likely is some of the money that Sookie has earned for working for the vamps.. plus what Claudine left her in her will.. when you really think about all the 11 books Sam has been hating on Sookie dating a vampire since DUD ( when she was with Bill)..

    VikingLover Reply:

    IATM, I agree. Sam hates Sookie being with Eric until it is convenient for him. As you said, when he needed a favor (Twining) he didn’t call Eric himself. No, he used Sookie (and her connection to Eric as well as Eric’s affection for her) to ask Eric for it. That’s a pretty douchey move in my opinion.

    Also, Sam knows a lot of info about supes and the fae because of that “shifter database” and yet he doesn’t really share much info with her.

    IATM Reply:

    @ VikingLover,

    i totaly agree, in fact Sam still owes Eric from that favor in DAAD.. it seems like Sam is two faced IMO.. & Sookie hasent caught it yet.. IDK, but something is off to me about Sam & this so called “friendship” he has with Sookie.. Sam was the one who asked Sookie to take Chales to her house in the first place.. & Sam still doesnt pay his employee’s healh benifits..

    how does any of this make Sam better then the vamps??

    i really think Sam & the rest of Sookie’s lackey so called “friends” come up with reasons to dislike him for whatever reason & it’s never explained.. i find that to be so corny since Sookie doesnt correct them on their assumptions about Eric.. Sookie doesnt know how to be a girlfriend or a wife still..

    Viking Dame Reply:

    Is it vampires in general that Sam dislikes or just Eric in particular? B/c I never understood why Sam bothered to encourage Sookie to visit poor, pitiful Bill in DITF if he dislikes vamps so much. It can’t be just b/c Bill risked his life for Sookie b/c Eric did that too. And if Sam knows so much about other supes then he should know all the political risks that Eric has taken to keep Sookie safe and how he has stuck his neck out for her time and again. I just don’t see how he can deny that Eric truly cares for and looks after Sookie. Which, if he’s the good friend he claims to be, should be all that matters.

    IATM Reply:

    Excatly,

    what is it that really bother’s Sam about Eric?? i mean in DUD Sam didnt like Sookie with Billy either.. but after all the stuff that has occured in the 11 books one min. Sam dislikes “all vampire’s” & in DITF & DR he & other books he seems to really dislike Eric for some unknown reason.. i find that to be so childish..

    Sam told Sookie to visit Billy in DITF. in FDTW Sam calls Eric to find out why Sookie was so bothered about crushing Calvin’s paws..

    it seems like a stupid thing but it sounds like CH is basically saying Sam simply just doesnt like Eric unless he needs Eric’s help..

    & another thing, your so right that if Sam has the database on Supe politics & whatnot he sure doesnt really try to explain things to her.. & your also right so i agree that Eric has protected Sookie countless times in the books so IDK nor understand this grudge with Eric..

    Mony Reply:

    “Sam told Sookie to visit Billy in DITF. in FDTW Sam calls Eric to find out why Sookie was so bothered about crushing Calvin’s paws.. ” – oooh that scene!! In the same day he asked Sookie to do some business at the bar, samething she said she didn’t have to do, but she did it becouse she is always so gentle…she did it ’till night just in time for Eric’s arrival and then, what a coincidence, Felipe de Castro and QSA’a guard are there…at the same time…in Sam’s parking lot….
    WOW a lot of coincidences here or what? LOL

    KCScout Reply:

    All that plus he hooked up with the maenad *after* she attacked Sookie, and then dated Tanya, who had it out for her too. If my “best friend” did that, I’d be getting a new one.

    Viking Dame Reply:

    Yeah that too KCScout! And then the scene in this book with Sam at Hooligans, demanding stuff from Claude and Dermot. It’s information Sookie needs, yes, but she’s fully capable of speaking up for herself.

    And I just groaned out loud that Sam now knows about the cluviel dor. Or at least heard it’s name. I’m sure he’s going to be researching that right away. That darm Amelia again! She didn’t have to say the name at all. She could have just as easily said “Tell Sookie that I have some info about that second thing she asked me about.” I mean even Sookie only referred to it as the “c.d.” in her email, that presumably only Amelia would see.

    IATM Reply:

    Right & Mr. C warned her not to tell anyone because folks will be trying to kill her over the c.d.

    KCScout Reply:

    Even Bill didn’t mind that she took a peek at his db. This book put me on the I-don’t-like-Sam side of the fence. It’s good there’s still some room on my list of supes to hate.

    Olulu Reply:

    I’m liking this line replies re: Sam. I’d totally forgotten about the supe database those (suddenly tech and history-minded) were’s have been keeping. Yet he tells her nothing and has her ask her kin … then doesn’t fill in any blanks for her when she gets nothing. What kind of friend IS Sam, indeed? I do know that I’ve never quite understood where he was on the whole vamp debate because he seemed so this-way and that-way about both Eric and Bill. Which is why the idea of her with him as a HEA is so boringly distasteful.

    I found it interesting that Eric didn’t list the maenad in Sam’s history of scary/strong women (or did he?). Sam running with the maenad was always a big red flag for me. And like Sook needs another were bitch enemy in Janalynn, lol.

    VikingLover Reply:

    Exactly, Guys. Let’s look at the facts here – what has Sam truly done for Sookie in the last 11 books? There have been many times that Sookie was in danger – where was Sam? Sam uses a lot of pretty words and he sure has a lot of opinions about what Sookie should and shouldn’t do, but he never actually *does* anything unless he’s absolutely forced too. And when he is “forced” to help, he then complains how he doesn’t want to be a part of supe politics. Doesn’t stop him from checking out that shifter database or those shifter chatrooms though. *snicker*

    As to Sookie having children, I always hear how Sookie has to give up children if she’s with a vampire (which is actually techically untrue since she could always adopt or do in vitro) but the fact is that Sookie’s chances of having children narrowed the moment that Bill Compton walked into Merlotte’s back in DUD. Not because he was a vampire, but because the vampire heirarchy had discovered Sookie and were planning on using her. After that, any child that Sookie would/could have would be in danger and would be used against her. Eric (or anyone either supe or human) is not really the issue when it comes to kids at this point. So even if Sookie is with Sam, she still faces the same dilemma. The child factor doesn’t make Sam any better in the suitor dept than Eric.

    Also, it seems to me that the book is filled with Sookie calling Sam her best friend and her boss. Unless CH plans to pull a fast one (a very unbelievable twist in my opinion), I just don’t see it. The next book (book 12) will probably focuse on Sookie dealing with Q OK then that leaves one final book. I can’t believe that Sookie will magically fall in deep passionate love with Sam in one book. It took her 11 to date Eric. lol I don’t know, to me it would just be an insane and unbelievable ending. But I could be wrong.

    glamored Reply:

    VD, word! “Deep, passionate love” is the key here. She has that with Eric and no one else.

    Krtmd Reply:

    I think Sookie’s chance to have children ended the minute she was born, TBH. I know that sounds harsh, but she didn’t even have a prayer of a relationship with a human man, right? So a shifter or were would be the only way for her to have a happy union with someone and possibly have a family. Except then she meets Hunter and realizes that telepathy is somehow hereditary in her family. (Of course, now we know why, but thats irrelevant here ) Well shit, now she’s faced with the possibility that she could pass on what she’s always viewed as a curse. Would she want to risk it? And would you want to be a telepathic parent? Parenting is physically intimate and involves a lot of touching and holding, which also increases her telepathic talent. We see Sookie pine a bit for a normal life, or what she’s been told she should want, but we’ve never fully “listened” to Sookie reason out whether she should choose to become a parent. IMO, she would probably never become a mother, Eric HEA or not.

    Krtmd Reply:

    I can’t edit, but I would like to add that I know some find this topic upsetting, and I don’t mean to offend. I also realize she could adopt a child, but would you, considering the world she lives in? And that wouldn’t change the fact that being a telepathic parent could possibly make life miserable for both Sookie and her child.

    deb Reply:

    Reading this book I had a foreshadowing that Remy would die and Sookie would get guardianship of Hunter..idn…We know Eric likes kids from past books…that would be the mom/child relationship I see her having.

    IATM Reply:

    @ Viking Lover,

    i agree.. the last book we actually saw Sam active in a saving Sookie moment was in FDTW during the werewolf war with Percilla.. & Sammy shifted into a Lion.. but Sookie had to ask Sam to come with her anyway..

    in DR Sam tell’s her about the shifter database/ Liberary & say’s he looked up Fae stuff after he meet her Grandfather way back in FDTW..

    i personally find Sam on the phoney side.. i think he is full of shit the majority of the time.. & it appears to me that Sam likes Sookie to be left in the dark when itr comes to Supe business.. he doesnt even try to talk her into embracing her Supe nature.. it’s not like he is saying anything positive he speaks more negative then anything & he is suppose to be her “friend”.. he should be telling her to embrace who she is..

    & in DR Sam suggested incest with Sookie’s Fae family as a option for her as a mate.. **shake head** because with the Fae anything is possible he say’s.. IDK, that seems so odd to me.. same as Sam suggesting that Sookie hook up with Calvin & become a were panther breeder.. Sam liked Alcide over Quinn as well in the books with unexplained reason other then Quinn is a Tiger & Sam is a Dog.. i find Sam’s character to be rather odd..

    KCScout Reply:

    IATM, your post has made me wonder if perhaps Sam isn’t working for Niall as well. Niall might have wanted to hedge his bets when he had Eric watching Sookie. After all, Eric would only be awake after dark;)

    Sherry Reply:

    I agree completely! Yet another reason why I can’t see a HEA with Sam and Sookie.

    It doesn’t seem like a coincidence that every shifter/were is called “two-natured”

    Aside from Trey we really haven’t met a shifter or were without an agenda.

    Margaux Reply:

    I am really not on board with the Sam HEA idea. Really. I just don’t think it’s going to happen. CH likes to keep us on our toes and she’s not going to end the series or any of the books with E/S in a perfect relationship. Yes, I think Sam still has feelings for Sookie and maybe he really doesn’t want to be with Jannalyn but I can’t honestly see them being the HEA. CH would not build up E/S for over 8 books just to have her get with Sam in the end. I just don’t see it happening. If Eric isn’t he HEA (and I hope for CH’s sake that he is) I truly end up seeing her with no one or even dying in the end. I just don’t see it as being Sam.

    Freyja Reply:

    And since CH has already stated quite often that Sookie will have chosen her lover in the end of the series and that she and Eric will be alive then, I believe it’s Eric. There will be bumps in the road of course, what relationship hasn’t? It will not be perfect but as long as there is love and understanding, I will be satisfied :) But being that both of them are quite high handed and don’t share enough with each other, they better start practicing.

    Margaux Reply:

    Oh, I didn’t know she had said that Freyja, that does help a lot! It just HAS to be Eric. I really don’t see it being anyone else. I’m not even thrown off by the whole QoO plot.

    Crimson Petal Reply:

    Wow, Olulu, are you in my head? I just got to read the book (unexpectedly early for me) and you pretty much exactly expressed my feelings and worries. Especially when you said that while you did expect some problems for E/S to arise, you’d imagined that they would be external, like the Oklahoma thing (which is one of the last things I’m worried about) and not internal, like their major communication problems, and especially the violence issue as exemplified by Eric’s rough bite. Honestly, that bite and Sookie thinking that moment was a turning point in their relationship kind of made me lose hope for them. It made me really, really sad. I could have handled pretty much any other problem thrown at them – a break-up, lies, even adultery – anything except Eric unnecessarily physically hurting Sookie. I kind of understand why it happened (I was angry at her, too!) but right now I’m just not sure that I can make peace with it.

    Maybe I just need some time to process things. I get emotionally involved with this kind of stuff way too easily. It might be time to take a mini-break from this fandom, deal with my dissapointment, and come back ready for new insights and perspectives (and TB season 4) :)

    Olulu Reply:

    Oh yeah – I never thought I’d say it, but I’m looking forward to the healing of TB Season 4 … a look back at a simpler time, with Amnesiac Eric and shower sex, lol.

    VikingDame Reply:

    I hear that!! LOL!

    deb Reply:

    You know I was sad too at the bite but after digesting it a bit (ha/ha)… I think its more of Sookie realizing what a hypocrite she was being and growing up. She doesn’t like every aspect of Vamp life but hey….that is part of it. She has told Sam in past books that her life now even with all the Vamp drama is better then it ever was before. She needs to learn to adjust and live in the world around her and not have it bend to her needs all the time.

  • Gretchen

    I was thinking about the cluviel dor. I dont think Sookie would use it to keep Eric with her. There will be no scheme in which she wishes for the demise of Oklahoma and possibly(probably) Nevada. I dont think she would want to be with Eric, or keep Eric with her by using magic. That would create something artificial in her mind. Much in the same way she let him go at the end of DTTW. She loves Eric and Eric loves her and I believe they will make their relationship work without using the magic fix-all.

    I’m also wondering if the turning point in the relationship was not necessarily Eric being a douche after the battle, but the carnage Sookie witnessed. Again. It was her plan to kill Victor this way. She has wanted him dead for a long time. She knew that a lot of people would die and they did. Right in front of her and with her active involvement the whole way. I believe it was crushing for her. Her spirit and also her recovery. Maybe the turning point is that Sookie now knows that if she wants Eric, she will have to remain this fierce to keep him away from Oklahoma. But the last scene shows that when it comes to the killing part still, it still conflicts her.

    Viking Dame Reply:

    I totally get that Sookie is struggling with who she is now compared to who she used to be pre-Bill, I think what bugs me about this is the timing. I truly accept that this is a perfectly normal identity crisis to be having, I do. But there have been at least a handful of deaths in each book. Some of the deaths Sookie just witnessed. Some she helped bring about indirectly. And others she actively caused. This has been going on for two years at least now. So I feel like this process of questioning her willingness to change forever should have happened at some earlier point. Sookie was right in that seeing violence and death is much different than thinking about it in the abstract sense, but death and violence is not new to her anymore. Not that I think she should be immune to death or that she should necessarily feel like throwing a party to celebrate it. I’m glad that she’s at this turning point b/c I do feel (mostly)confident that her love for Eric (and his for her) will see things through, but I also feel this is somewhat late in happening. But it’s just a small quibble.

    jayetea Reply:

    @VikingDame – I had similar feelings about Sookie’s qualms with the blood and violence. I mean, she has seen it all before and this time the plan to kill Victor was totally her idea. Maybe that’s why it bothered her so much because she absolutely wanted Victor dead and she encourage and even goaded Eric and Pam into a plan of action. Maybe it’s a cumulative effect sort of thing where the combinatioin of Amelia and Claude screwing with her, breaking the blond bond and finding out about the Queen of Oklahoma combined with two years of getting beaten up, staked and witnessing and participating in a lot of killing just felt like it was suddenly too much or something. It seemed a bit odd to me too, though.

    I am also glad that Thalia survived and I loved how she used her own severed arm to hit somebody, even though it was super gross.

    Viking Dame Reply:

    Yeah, the arm thing was a serious act of badassery. :-)

    wahoozit Reply:

    Indira wasn’t too shabby either with emasculating Jock.

    Freyja Reply:

    What I think got Sookie the most is the killing of the humans who were mostly innocent. I think she felt responsible for that. And the way Sookie talks about how Mindy (wasn’t that her name?) was killed with the sword, and the other girl had her throat cut, I do understand her. If this wasn’t just a one night thing but something that might occur again and again through my life, I would feel exactly the way Sookie felt. It was a moment of enlightenment too for her, she would have to accept that death will always be a part of her life if she’s to be involved in supes world.

    Olulu Reply:

    I questioned Sookie’s response to the whole battle, too, especially since this was the first where no one on her side died (except expendable Audrina), and frankly, it seemed relatively easy to take out Akio (or whatever his name is) and even Victor. I mean, the head rolling scene at the palace was much more graphic. She had to have known that the surviving vamps would be joyful in their triumph, and she was the one beating the war drum the whole time. Eric was right to call her a hypocrite.

    I found a lot of Sookie’s reactions … bizarre. On the one hand I appreciated some healthy changes like kicking everyone out of her house and not backing down to Alcide when questioning his poor decision and who he’s become since he became packmaster. But to utilize the BB to save Eric and Pam in one scene, then get rid of it asap shortly thereafter smacks of lack of self-preservation. I guess I’m glad the BB is gone so that she could get her answers, but I wish they’d renewed it, if only for her protection.

    glamored Reply:

    I thought the way she acted throughout the whole sequence was strange. After much contemplation I think that she felt tremendously guilty. This was her plan, she had wanted Victor dead, and then had sought out people who could help. She had even goaded Eric about not acting, just talking. But when it came down to actually carrying it out she couldn’t deal. Remember in DITF when she and Pam talked about killing V and she basically said that she would feel better about it if it was in the heat of the moment, rather than planned. CH was setting up this reaction to this action back then.

    Olulu Reply:

    Hmm… I think you’re right. I do remember that exchange in DITF. I can see it’s a careful-what-you-wish for moment. Just wish maybe it was tempered a bit with more cohesive relationship moments for them before hand so it wouldn’t feel so … final straw.

    Margaux Reply:

    I was annoyed by Sookie’s reaction too but I think that is just an “old” part of her still showing. She’s come along way and she knows that killing Victor was the right thing to do she just doesn’t like to see it right in front of her. Maybe she’s realizing that killing and blood will always be apart of her and Eric’s relationship and is having trouble with that. But I think Bill was right, (eek!) that she’ll wake up the next day and realize it truly was for the best.

    wahoozit Reply:

    Yup I agree Margaux. Sookie really was thinking about things the next day how it would all have been for nothing if she didn’t change. I see it as a last rally of her Christian sensibilities. I mean we saw what happened when Adele stuck by them. She led a guilt laden life and didn’t use the chance she had to change her childrens lives. I doubt she forgot about the Cluviel Dor but saw it as a sin to use it and the tragedies that befell her children as Gods punishment for her sins.

  • Viking Dame

    This a bit random but I was happy that Thalia survived the fight. No idea why.

    Olulu Reply:

    Me too, and the reattachment was pretty interesting. I wondered if that was a little CH fun thrown in for amusement or would become useful in later books for Sookie to know.

  • Freyja

    I finally finished the book and I really loved all Sookie’s character growth.
    Eric I loved and understood right up until the moment of biting Sookie. That’s when I was shocked! He has never hurt Sookie like that before intentionally or lost control, the biting when the blood bond was established in ATD was different and out of necessity. This was so weird, it was like he was trying to push her away!
    But all in all, I liked the book. It was dark, actionfilled, bomb exploded, a lot to think about in this one.
    I’m thinking next book will either show Sookie fighting to keep Eric or them letting each other go. I wouldn’t be surprised if the first chapter shows S/E not having spoken for few weeks.

    IATM Reply:

    Maybe Eric was trying to push Sookie away in the bite scene?? i mean he did call her a Hyprocrite in that scene before he bit her.. plus Sookie can be a buzz kill over drive.. maybe a break between them is needed since Victor is dead now & Felipe is really only the problem..

    Eric’s issue with Oklahoma i dont really see as a problem.. it’s too much of an easy out of the relationship.. & Frankly one of the Huge difference’s i did notice in the Bill & Eric parelle is the fact when Bill dumped Sookie in CD to go to Lorena he called Eric to pass ” or amke arragments” for Sookie’s protection scheme of things.. he planed on staying with Lorena..

    *C.K. Reply:

    Another thing is that the scene when Bill drove Sookie home kind of reminded me of the scene where Eric drove Sookie home in Club Dead. Bill asked Sookie “What are you thinking of?”(pg.303). Eric asked her what she was thinking on their ride home in CD. Sookie and Eric were talking about her relationship with Bill and now she and Bill were talking about her relationship with Eric. Eric mentioned Sookie “running away from her problems” and now Bill is telling Sookie not to be “rash” and leave Eric to decide. It was just something I noticed while I was reading too.

    I was surprised by how violent Eric was when he fed of Sookie. It was probably a mixture of things like others have said. He did stop when Sookie pulled his ear. Still that shouldn’t be an excuse. I also think he might have been mad at her. I didn’t like it either.

    Margaux Reply:

    I think Eric biting Sookie that way was a culmination of all that happened. Yes, it wasn’t right but I think it was all of his frustration over the QoO, the BB being broken, and the demise of Victor. Maybe all this could lead to a break up in the next book but I don’t think so. I truly believe Eric is the HEA. It’s not Sam or anyone else. Either that or she’ll kill Sookie at the end. I hope not though.

    Freyja Reply:

    Oh I know it’s S/E :) But this felt so different to me, because it’s never happened before. But I know he was frustrated with her, I understand that. Both of them were in the wrong IMO. They need to communicate if they want this relationship to work.

    Margaux Reply:

    It was different because Eric has NEVER handled her in that way and it made me a bit sad. He even made her cry :(

    Mony Reply:

    She cried also for the situation and the guilty she felt for the people that died during the battle and for the hipocrsy she knew she showed to Eric in tha moment. The bite was just one fo the reasons, but not the only one IMO.

    Margaux Reply:

    The bite is just what put her over the edge.

    IATM Reply:

    ha, the whole conversation with Eric & Sookie & she was judging him on things he did before she even knew him.. then the whole him calling her a hyprocrite..

    i think Eric was very frustrated with Sookie by this point in DR.. she talked about him “tricking her into the marriage”.. & here she is presented with the Oklahoma ordeal.. even though in DR Sookie admitts that he married her to protect her he also told her she wouldnt have married him if he explained everything to her.. & she agreed..LOL !! even though she so calls claims she understands why Eric did that in ATD Sookie has serious issues with either letting it go or get over it type of stuff.. the marriage protected Sookie not Eric.. get over yourself..

    now with the Bite scene i think basically at that point Eric had enough of Sookie’s hyprocite judgemental attitudes.. she doesnt have to stay involved with Eric.. no matter if Oklahoma is trying to get him or not.. Oklahoma is Eric’s problem & not really Sookie’s if she doesnt want to deal with it or be with him.. Sookie cant even commit into a relationship on a level of living with someone..

    did anyone else find it funny that Sam told Sookie that the were animals cant get a regular animal pregnant?? he said when he is in his other mode he isnt out making puppies..LOL !! this conversation was when Sookie was asking about Bob the cat & some kittens ..

    Viking Dame Reply:

    Not that I think it was the best way to handle it, but I read the bite as Eric being angry at Sookie’s hypocrisy (esp considering she was the mastermind), yes, but also as his way of giving her a harsh reality check – “This is who I am and this is my world.”

    That said, I didn’t like it but I think that’s what he was going for. And Sookie took that reality check to heart, thus her comment about being at a turning point.

    I’m reminded of the internal musings that Sookie was having during the drive home after meeting Niall (IIRC). I don’t have the exact quote at the moment but Sookie is thinking to herself that she’s at the edge of a wide chasm, and all she has to do is take the next step. This is all in relation to her thoughts about Eric and “didn’t I know that Eric could protect me better than anyone?” and the “Hadn’t I always had a soft spot for Eric?”

    She’s just finding herself at the edge of another chasm. She just has to take that next step.

    Margaux Reply:

    I like the way you put that VD, “this is who I am and this is my world”. I like that.

    Mony Reply:

    I think he did it on purpose to make his point with her and her annoying hypocrisy. She pissed him off and he finally lost it…after 8 fucking books of Sookie and her attitude with him. It’s not like Eric turned into someone else, but he was really pissed off and with every rights imo. Of course im not saying he did right!! But it was like he was telling her “Why are you judging me now? Why me? That’s was even your plan!” She was judging him and i kind of disliked Sookie in tha moment. He knows her, but she needed a good “wake up lady that’s my world and yours too!”
    That said of course i think he should have done differently but i got why he did it and why in that way. And she knew deep down in that moment that he was right calling her an hypocrite

    Freyja Reply:

    It was sort of a “piss or get off the pot” I guess. I don’t like either behavior but I understand both of them though.

    IATM Reply:

    here is the thing that kinda get’s on my nerves greatly in the books..but i’m interested in finding out the ending..

    NONE of this stuff is new.. not even the idea of being turned or frankly dating a vampire & death & murder & whatnot.. i get that Sookie consider’s herself Christen & everything.. but really she is 27 1/2 years old now.. the plan with killing Victor was her idea & she pretty much plotted Bubba in the mix for almost the same reason Eric used Terry..

    commitment phobea at this stage in the game seems rather idiotic.. it even seems rather late to actually be thinking about half the stuff Sookie thought about in this book.. yea we all know she loves to sunbath since DUD.. she likes Pam & really wanted Pam to become a Maker since she found out the lady was dying & whatnot.. i dont recall if Sookie even asked if the lady wanted to be turned but i assume she did since that is how it came across.. Miarm would rather be turned then die.. that situation is okay for her because that is her choice & everything.. Sookie wants to remain a human.. Sookie is getting old & yes, one day be an old women.. so it seems odd to me that Sookie would be thinking about Eric not wanting to be with her when she is an old women.. if she feels that strongly about it it is so easy peesy to get out of the relationship…

    the clues that CH drops per book every year seems odd as well since i think it was mentioned that Sookie woull have Great Sex in her HAE, no kids, & not a traditional HAE.. so it sounds like Sookie will end up with a Supe to me regardless..

    peeniebean2612 Reply:

    ITA with IATM on almost everything!! However I am not to upset with the ending .It didn’t feel like a split to me, only a breather for Sookie. You know Sook has always needeed more time than your average Woman to prcess important things in her life (WINK).

    What socked and dissapointed me was Eric’s behavior wih Pam! WTF! Nowhere in all of the previous !) books was it indicated thathe was a closet ABUSER!!. So OC, that scene in Sook kitchen when she describes how Eric as on top of Pam PUNCHING her in th face,then in the car with one hand around he neck STFU.. e thinks CH has been watching too much Jerry Springer. This Behavior is beneth theEric I have just spent 10 books getting know PERIOD!! NFW

    VikingDame Reply:

    Who says that Eric and Pam have never come to blows before? Just b/c we haven’t seen it? But the whole thing is that we NEVER see Eric when he is out of Sookie’s sight line. These are vampires. This scuffle is more like Pam getting her hand slapped. You’re judging it from a human’s POV and seeing a man hitting a woman. It’s not. View it and judge it within the framework of the culture, in this case vampire culture. This was a vampire master disciplining his vampire progeny. Pure and simple. Eric usually gives Pam a wide berth, at least as far as what Sookie has witnessed (which is hardly everything) but Pam was crossing a line that Eric had clearly drawn in the sand. Shoot, even Sookie didn’t seem all that freaked about it. She seemed to get more rattled at the thought that they might be having make up sex afterwards. lol

    Mony Reply:

    “You’re judging it from a human’s POV and seeing a man hitting a woman. It’s not. View it and judge it within the framework of the culture, in this case vampire culture. This was a vampire master disciplining his vampire progeny. ” – ITA with that. The worst thing we could do while reading about vampires or supes in general is judging them from a human’s POV. Our rules, our world is very different, we cannot look at the paranormal novels thinking like humans, we have to look at them as what they really are and accept their rules, even if for us are questionables.

    In ATD Pam went at Merlotte’s to talk with Sookie asking to have mercy for Eric, when he arrived she even called him “My Lord” and Sookie knew that meant trouble for Pam. In DAAD all the Mickey/His Maker thing pretty much showed that punishments were the rules.
    I know it could sound OC, but it’s not IMO, becouse Sookie never knew how Pam and Eric are when she is not with them, now that they are a big part of her life she is aware of that too.

    Freyja Reply:

    I think we have all been influenced too much by TB Pam and Eric’s relationship. I remember when I saw season 3, I was surprised because their relationship was different in the books.

    In the world of SSN the maker/child relationship is different. I think Eric is a very lenient maker compared to Lorena/Bill, Salome/Mickey, QSA/Andre/Berts. The fight between Pam and Eric was to make a point, not to hurt her. If he really wanted he could have used his maker/progeny mind persuasion which is what vampires dislike the most, being controlled, they love a good fight and I think Pam knows well what she’s doing when she goading Eric like that, she’s not covering in a corner crying, she’s fighting him on like she knew what was coming. These are vampires, it’s all about the fight!

    And also we should not think about Pam as a woman fighting a man. In this world it’s about age, status and race. If Pam was a man, would we even make a deal out of this?

    SVB Reply:

    I COMPLETELY agree with this.

    Eric and Pam are very different on the show and I also feel like people are taking the dynamic between show E/P and putting it on their book characters and then saying “well WTF is Charlaine doing?”.

    Even as far back as ATD we saw Pam literally bowing and scraping at Eric’s feet when he caught her talking to Sookie at Merlotte’s. There are numerous examples in the books of this sort of relationship between maker and child. True Blood have completely romanticised Eric and Pam but they have *never* been that way in the books. That’s not to say they aren’t close, but their TB relationship is certainly a stretch.

    I found it interesting that after the porch scene when E/S were talking, Eric said he was “fond” of Pam. Sookie was kind of incredulous at his choice of wording and she said something like “Oh come on Eric! She’s your kid! You love her!”.

    And Eric repeated that he was fond of Pam.

    I didn’t see their physical fighting as OOC at all – it seems consistent to me with other maker/child relationships throughout the series. If Eric wanted to he could have ordered Pam to shut her mouth and she would have HAD to. I think even Immanuel remarks on this? I didn’t see this as anything more than a spat.

    Serena Reply:

    Yeah, Immanuel says to Sookie while their watching the fight from the living room that Eric could compel Pam to stop but he doesn’t and that would be a worse thing.

    TBH, I expect Pam and Eric have had many fights that we just don’t know of. How has Pam ever learned anything from him in the ways of fighting -she’s called a renowned fighter by the other vamps at VampireKiss- if she’s never fought him in anger? She must have IMO.

    SVB Reply:

    Of course she has. I think we talked about this a while ago but it seems to me that Sookie is now “with” Eric and she’s seeing everything up close, and personal. I don’t think this behaviour is “new” between Eric and Pam – I think it is new to Sookie.

  • Viking Dame

    Did anyone else think of the bullet from LDID when Sookie mentioned her drawer that held all the mementos of her strange life? ;-)

    glamored Reply:

    I totally did! We already know the silver chain was in there!

    Olulu Reply:

    Totally, and loved it. Almost was more curious about her drawer than the letter and bag from Gran!

    *C.K. Reply:

    Viking Dame, I hope we get to see the bullet again.

  • Margaux

    SVB, will you do a more detailed break down of DR now that we all have a copy? Maybe take each big “thing” and explain where you think it’s going?

    SVB Reply:

    There’ll be lots of posts about the stuff in this book coming over the next few months. There’s just too much to cram into one review.

  • *C.K.

    OMG! I just finished Dead Reckoning got it yesterday. It was so intense. I am worried about this “cluviel dor” we all know Sookie can be rash at times. On the surface that Alcide scene did seem funny on the surface but it is sad to see what Alcide has turned into. I thought Alcide was joking at first and was at the house for some other reason.

    Poor Pammy, it was sad to hear about Miriums death but I figured that would happen.

    I do not know how on earth Eric is going to get of that arranged marriage. I hope he can. Where there is a will there is a way. Sookie does have a lot to think about.

    I think eventually Sookie might remember her “Preston incident” that Niall arranged.

    I used to like Amelia but not that much in this book. It is better the blood bond was broken.

    I need to catch up on the comments now.

  • bldskr

    I haven’t finished the book yet, as I’m trying to “savor” it and absorb all this information! Wow! There’s a lot going on! Like a lot of you, I don’t trust Sam. I used to, taking him at face value, but now I see that he truly IS the shifty shifter. I don’t know if it was mentioned previously in this thread, but what is up with the purple aura she got from him in the beginning of the book? Does anyone remember what the colors mean from DITF when she acted as shaman for the Pack?

    I think Amelia was in cohoots with Victor to break the bond. Why else would she race up to Bon Temps and practically shove the spell down Sookie’s throat?

    It is becoming clear that Eric and Sookie are alike in another way. Eric can trust only Sookie and Pam. Now I think Sookie can only trust Eric and Pam. Everyone else seems to be out to get her and/or Eric.

    What a ride! Now to get back to the book!

    *C.K. Reply:

    bldskr,

    I just looked in DITF and “Misery” is deep purple. Fairness is blue. Adoration is crimson. Green is the color of betrayel. Yellow I think is doubt.

    Sam seemed mighty interested in the fae so I thought he might have known something that he was not telling Sookie. All of a sudden Sam knows all this stuff about fae. I know he talked about a library but still. IDK I just found that conversation odd and it made me suspicious of Claude and Dermot.

    Like I said I used to like Amelia but not in this book. If she was really a friend of Sookies, she would not have been talking about the blood bond out in a public. She put Sookie into danger by doing that. Sookie made it perfectly clear to Amelia in DITF that she was in love with Eric. Does Amelia think Sookie is a tramp with the Alicde stunt? Maybe Felip has something on Amelia’s Dad and she is trying to protect him.

    There are so many suspicious people in this book. I do trust Pam and Eric. Pam wanted Sookie to know the truth. Heck Bill was more trust worthy than half the people in this book. He did have some good points.

    glamored Reply:

    And this is not the first time Pam has made Eric tell Sookie something he did not want to tell her. (Bill’s leaving her in CD)

    *C.K. Reply:

    Yep glamored that is true. Eric needs to be more honest with Sookie too. That is another conversation they need to have. Like they mentioned in chapter 3. They both keep things from each other. Eric did say of Pam, “She is a better friend to you than you know” (pg 154).

    Olulu Reply:

    Purple in DITF meant “deep misery”. My interpretation was Sam being miserable that he was with the girl he loves and picking out jewelry with her for one he doesn’t. That said, I guess it could have meant almost anything else! But CH never went back to it, and unless she’s setting some other big bomb with Sam, I think we can only attribute the misery to the moment.

    Unless Sam just really hates antiquing.

    Morgan Jane Reply:

    Unless Sam just really hates antiquing.

    That’s the first time I have laughed since reading the book!

  • Dee

    Maybe he was feeling miserable because his business was doing badly, he was losing a lot of money also. I think he was stressed out in this book about his business.

  • *C.K.

    I liked when Eric mentioned that Pam and Sookie were the best choices that he ever made.

  • *C.K.

    I found it odd that Eric said he was “fond” of Pam. I don’t know if he said that for Sookies sake. I feel Eric loves Pam in a maker child way.

    *C.K. Reply:

    Sorry meant to put that under SVB’s comment.

  • AB Negative

    Where to begin. I finished DR at 11AM and the first thing I did was pour myself a glass of bubbly. Not to celebrate, mind you. But to try to calm my nerves and to forget all of the negative thoughts I was having. The second thing I did was go for a run/fast walk to get the endorphins up and running. I was on the verge of depression. Here are the reasons why: (someone please talk me off of this ledge)

    1. Since when did Amelia not like the Eric/Sookie relationship? Since when did Maxwell not really care for Sookie? Since when was Bubba less attracted to Eric than Bill? Why is CH bringing these out of nowhere asides about the value of the E/S relationship up? What is she trying to prepare us for? These comments were very red flags for the E/S HEA.

    2. Sookie is becoming one tough cookie and is finally embracing her place in the supe world. Gran’s deceptions are now allowing Sookie to question her Christian “turn the other cheek” ethic. She needs to learn that she was a hypocrite afterthe Victor take-down. She has felt the lust in blood lust before…why would she judge Eric for feeling the same thing? I’m glad he didn’t make the feeding pleasant for her. She certainly didn’t make it pleasant for him.

    3. I do not have a good feeling about an E/S HEA. One of Sookie’s first comments about Eric is: But I wasn’t prepared to give Eric anymore free passes….It wasn’t easy being yoked to Eric.(p. 71) Later in the book: But I didn’t know if Eric loved me enough to defy all his maker’s arrangements, enough to forgo the leap in power and status and income he’d gain as consort of the Queen of OK. And near the end: I felt the pain was merited, justified—but I also understood that this was a turning point in our relationship.
    (p. 298) “I looked at my lover, my husband, and he looked like a stranger to me.”
    Finally, on page 305: “I sort of miss having the connection,” I confessed, “but at the same time it’s a relief.’
    Bill didn’t say anything. Very carefully.
    “Have you ever…?” I asked.
    “Once, long ago,” he said. He didn’t want to talk about it.
    “Did it end well?”
    “No,” he said.

    4. How did Gran have the essential spark? (p. 313) Was she part fae also? Does this make Sookie more than 1/8 fae? What else was Gran hiding?

    5. Fuckin’ fairies. No good is going to come of this. Claude and Dermot and the fifraff Hooligan supe mafia are up to no good. They will try to make Sookie more fae so that she can be part of the breeding program to increase the dwindling fae numbers both here and in FL.
    This is the only reason that Niall is interested in Sookie and why he sent Claudine to protect her.
    “The more I knew about fairy nature, the less I trusted fairies. Period. Including Claude and Dermot. (And especially Nial…: it seemed I was always on the verge of remembering something about him, something really tricky.)” Preston, anyone? Was he a recon mission to see if a fae male would be interested in Sookie or was he sent to try to impregnate her to keep the bloodline going? He sure as hell wasn’t a no strings attached birthday gift. No wonder Niall wanted to do something for Sookie. He wanted her to say “Thank you” so she would be obligated to him. (p. 131)

    6. I fear that Sam could be her half-assed HEA. It was too obvious in the references to her best friend that this may be a tactic to throw us off. I also did not like how much he was in this book and how it ended on page 323: “Just as I found Jannalynn’s execution of Sandra the most disturbing thing about today’s encounter. Unless I was mistaken, Sam did, too.”

    I know that this is a long post for me, but I had to get it off of my chest. I’ll probably have more to say later. Now, I need another drink. Much too invested in these characters.

    *C.K. Reply:

    AB Negative that is what I thought about the Amelia situation. She seemed okay with Eric before Dead Reckoning. Amelia was worried about their blood bond in DITF but it didn’t seem as though she completely disliked him then. I forgot that Eric helped Amelia dad out.

    Margaux Reply:

    AB Negative,
    No Gran did not have the “spark”. Gran and Fintan drank Mr. C’s blood and from there, any children or grandchildren born with the spark will have telepathy ie- Sookie & Hunter.
    I really think people are freaking out over Sam being the HEA because he had a lot of page time in this book but I REALLY, REALLY do not see it being him and I’m sticking to my guns on this one!
    I really don’t understand why people are jumping to the conclusion that Sookie’s HEA is going to be him. We knew the road to her HEA wasn’t going to be butterflies and dandelions and I feel like she made it perfectly clear that she loves Eric and is willing to fight for him.
    Don’t lose sight of the bigger picture here. Look at how far Sookie has developed and come.

    jayetea Reply:

    @Margaux,

    ABnegative is correct. According to Mr. Cataliadies on p. 313, Gran DID have the essential spark, however he describes the spark as simply “..an openness to the other world…… Humans who are born with the essential spark are born to experience or perform something wonderful, something amazing.” The way I read this is that a person doesn’t have to be part fae to possess the essential spark. I would guess that being part fae would give someone a much greater chance of having the essential spark, though.

    Margaux Reply:

    Thanks Jayetea, guess I need to read it closer, there’s so much to remember!

    Margaux Reply:

    I went back to reread and I got the same thing. I’m wondering if the essential spark is more of a mind set, that people who have it are more open to things different from them. Not necessarily related to the Fae. It would go with your theory that being Fae would help because Sookie herself is different and not entirely human. Does that make sense? All these thoughts are running together now!

    VampLilly Reply:

    From DR:

    Sookie: “Gran had the essential spark”.

    Mr. Cataliades: “Yes, though of course he (Fintan) never wanted me to give her my gift.”

    LovetheViking Reply:

    Great observations ABN. No wonder you need a glass of bubbly. The Sam thing is so tricky. Part of me was thinking that CH was putting him firmly in place by saying that the was Sookie’s best friend and that was it. Nothing more and nothing less. The other part of me is wondering if she is setting us up for a Sam HEA. However my heart only wants E/S.

    Can anyone tell me in the Aurora Teagarden series did CH kill off someone who was everyone thought was the HEA and she ended up with someone else? I could be way off base.

    LovetheViking Reply:

    Oh dear. Google is not my friend, as this does seem to be the case.

    Olulu Reply:

    Let’s hope she doesn’t dip back into that well again!

    glamored Reply:

    Yes, but hasn’t CH said that both Sookie and Eric will make it to the end?

    SVB Reply:

    She did. She killed off the fan favourite HEA in the second last Aurora book.

    That series was only half the length of this one though, so only leaving herself one book to bring over a new HEA wasn’t such a stretch. Doing it in the second last of a 13 book series, with any believability is an entirely different kettle of fish.

    Margaux Reply:

    oh yeah, she killed off Martin and people were so upset! He was the fan favorite.

    Viking Dame Reply:

    Did she ever give any reasoning for that? Even if it was a shorter series why do that? To me introduing a last minute suitor that the readers are not going to feel much connection to or with just b/c they don’t know him makes no sense at all.

    LLE Reply:

    I never read the series but she said that she wanted to kill Martin off long time ago but the editor would not let her. When she did a new editor, she ask can she kill Martin off and the Editor said sure.

    CH put Robin in book one then he left and when her husband die, CH brought Robin back to be her HEA. Don’t really make sense but those books were never hit anyone and I doubt many care.

    CH has one big hit and that is Sookie Stackhouse and she really can’t put someone with the character that don’t have spark.

    jayetea Reply:

    @ABNegative,

    Back in FDTW, Amelia questions Sookie when she gets back from her dinner with Niall, but Sookie can’t tell her about Niall, so she just pretends that she had dinner with Eric, but that it wasn’t a date. During the takeover, Amelia gives Eric attitude about coming to Sookie’s house, thus making them all targets, while she’s spouting nonsense about how the Nevada vamps couldn’t possibly be interested in Sookie or in her and Eric calls her out on her bullshit and asks her if she isn’t a powerful witch and if her father isn’t a very wealthy man and she says yes to both. I can’t remember DAG right now and whether or not Amelia and Eric had any direct interaction…I don’t know if she somehow hold Eric responsible for Tray’s death in some way (not that that would make any sense…).

    Bubba wasn’t happy that Eric and Sookie were in bed together way back in Club Dead; he seemed to find it inappropriate!!! He probably just feels more comfortable around Bill; that doesn’t mean he hates Eric. He might fear Eric, though.

    I didn’t like either Eric or Sookie at the end of the Victor assassination party. I did think that Sookie was being unusually judgmental for somebody who came up with the idea for the attack herself and really pushed Eric and Pam to make a plan. Sookie has killed quite a few people herself by now and has seen many more than that die by various means. Having said that, I thought Eric was being a complete dick when he bit her like that and he knew exactly what he was doing.

    KCScout Reply:

    Bubba and Bill were both southerners and now are vamps. Maybe that’s the connection they share.

    Liliput Reply:

    Have to say I totally agree with you about the potential “Fae breeding program”. I know we’re all obssessed with what happens with S&E, but honestly, the threat from the Fae is much more sinister in my mind. There were so many references in this book: Sookie being referred to as an animal by Victor and her saying she could probably lactate if she needed to, Claude stressing about losing a valuable female fairy, Bellenos not wanting anything to happen to Sookie “believe it or not”, Sookie feeling more Fae and ogling her cousin & uncle – I’m wondering if there’s some outside influence going on – , C&D being all touchy feely and Dermot breathing into Sookie like a kiss – wtf was that about? – , Mr. C’s reaction to Dermot and Dermot’s reaction to Mr. C, and Sookie’s realization that her fae relatives love felt “unwholesome” to her. It all adds up to major wiggins to me!! I have no idea if CH would go that dark, but it does make me think that they’re trying to prime Sookie for some sort of Fae interference. She herself regretted all the times she’s thanked Claude.

    The CD is totally a Deus ex Machina device and I think it’s really cheap as such. I hope she decides she doesn’t want to use it and gives it to the Hooligans crowd so they can get back to Fairy. The whole thing is seriously creeping me out. :(

    Dee Reply:

    I’m worried too because whatever is coming up, I don’t think a lot of ppl will survive. Remember what CH said in the interview on tb.net when she was asked about Sam. So I wonder if this will be the result bc of whatever the fae are doing.

    Dee Reply:

    And I have to add how she brought up “i’m afraid a lot of ppl will be hurt by end of the series” when she was asked about Sam. So I really think something is going to happen to him in the next 2 books. Why else would CH say that when she was specially asked about Sam.

    Margaux Reply:

    I feel that way too Dee. Like some shit is going to go down and a lot of people are going to die. That’s what I got from that comment. Maybe a war of some sort?

    Dee Reply:

    Yeah I’m also thinking it might be a war. The fae again? With so much of them in this book, seems like CH might be setting it up for that.

    I wonder if Eric is gonna get seriously hurt, maybe he’ll be dying and sookie uses the c.d. to save him. That’d be a good way to use it. Also, will help for Sookie to realize she wants to be with him, it can take losing someone to realize this. Although, that is happening now but in a different way so maybe not.

    Margaux Reply:

    oooohhhh, I like that! I was kinda guessing that she’d use the CD for something Eric related, it just seems to fit. Maybe this is why Sam seems to be in a bad mood this book. Perhaps he knows more then he leads on?

    Dee Reply:

    Yeah I’m guessing she uses it for Eric too. Sam is definitely hiding some things, he was so shady. He knows so much info about the fae but wouldn’t tell her. If he is gonna start a conversation about this then why not give her the info she needs. Why is this just coming up, he has known that they have been living with her.

  • AB Negative

    cd=Greek chorus and deux ex machine

    Sherry Reply:

    I thought the same about the cd = deux ex machina. Can her wish be to go back in time and change everything with all the knowledge she has now? That seems very greek to me.

  • Dee

    I wouldn’t worry too much about Amelia’s opinion of Eric. Amelia thought Alcide would be good for Sookie and look at what he did lol. Not to mention CH has already disqualified Alcide so Amelia’s opinion doesn’t matter.

    Sookie was also judging herself after the fight in fangtasia.

    VikingLover Reply:

    I agree, Dee. Especially since, as has been mentioned earlier by someone above, Amelia didn’t seem all that worried about it when her father was reaping the benefits of a Sookie/Eric association. *rolls eyes*

    LLE Reply:

    Amelia lost a friend in Sookie and she no longer can ask Sookie for any favors to help her dad.

    Amelia used Sookie for her own purpose and why would she think Alcide would be better mate for Sookie when we never seen any conversation Alcide, Sookie, and Amelia at all. I think Amelia wanted Eric for herself and hoping that she break the bond and set Alcide with Sookie they be a couple. Amelia have a chance with Eric or she working for her dad to break up Sookie and Eric for Victor.

    IATM Reply:

    hey Sam thought in DAAD that Calvin was a better mate for Sookie rather then Eric..

    like i said Sookie surrounds herself with a bunch of lackey friends & they are hater’s.. none of them have even gave her a reason why they dont want her with Eric.. except for the fact that he is a vampire.. but they will use her connection to him to get things they want..

    LLE Reply:

    Sam did want Sookie to get involved with Calvin but Sookie was not interest. In book 2, Sookie tried play match maker to Sam and Luna together but Sam was not interested.

    Sookie thought Luna would be good for Sam. Sam was most interest in the crazy woman with the pig.

  • Dee

    Exactly VL and if she was so concerned then why didn’t she ever express any of this to Sookie when they were living together.

    LovetheViking Reply:

    Agreed Dee again. If Amelia was such an open book then surely Sookie should have been able to pick up if there was anything dodgy about her. My only other theory would be that Amelia only appeared to be an open book but used some witchy magic to hide her true intent. However that does seem a bit far fetched to me.

  • MajDenmark

    OMG ..

    Theres just to many aspects on Sookies life and those around her to discuss. My brain is on the edge of a meltdown from trying to process everything.

    Theres the fairy part:
    How Claude is differently up to something walking around her house all naked and handsome.
    The fact that it doesn’t mean anything to fairies if they are related.
    And that they are low on womanfairies.

    Sookie and children:
    Even though I’m confident Sookies never going to have children she sure spends a lot of time around them and thinking about them.
    (Im confident because Sookie will fear the child might have telepathy nd there for not at normal childhood. And even though she loves Hunter she seems, to me, a bit skeptical around him. As if hes great when they are together but not as if she wants on of her own)
    I’m fairly sure her desire to have children or achieve some normalcy will affect her relationship with Eric – and maybe not on his favor.

    Sookie and Sam:
    I got the strong impression that they are JUST friends.

    Sookie and Bill:
    Hes there when she needs him but Eric will always over shine him so theres noway she’ll ‘settle’ for Bill.. Not in the matter of Eric having more power (in fact she says she wishes otherwise) but the fact that he’ll always protect her more, love her better and shows it to her in a way that matters to Sookie.

    Pam and Eric:
    I see Pam leaving Eric. I really hope not because Pam is awesome – but since Eric expresses this himself its most likely.
    As for the ‘Im fond of her’ .. No comments yet, needs more time and re-reading..

    Sookie, Freya and Eric:
    I hope Eric will get out of it, but not easily. I’m sure it involves a lot of drama from all parts and its a good plot for the future books. I anticipate it as I have faith in Eric. It wont be easy for Sookie to go through but hopefully the come out on the other side hand in hand. If all goes wrong the has the c.d. stone in the end. Thats gonna play a huge part somehow. Perhaps to keeping Eric with her (fingers crossed) or as moving on alone.

    Sookie and the last comments on her and Eric:
    I find the ends of some of the books and this one (looking away from the mr.c chapter) always a little dim and misleading. Somehow Sookie always seems depressed in a way.. All through the book nothing shook at my confident in Sookie and Eric, but the last comment on a breaking point left me nervous.. and luckily we have a hole year the chew on that one..

    FYI – this is only 10 % of whats going on in my head right know ..

  • Z

    I was so irritated when Sam told Sookie Eric wasn’t her better half that I started screaming at him to shut the f**k up(like he could hear me through the pages)Anyone else think he’s an asshole for that comment?

    SVB Reply:

    Totally. :lol:

    Dee Reply:

    Again someone else whose opinion we shouldn’t think too highly of. Sam is dating Jannalynn so he really should just keep his mouth shut.

    Poesy Reply:

    I don’t think it was aimed as an insult to Eric, but as a compliment to Sookie. I’ve had the same thing said to me at times, and believe me, the people saying so had no issues with my husband to puts up with me of all people. :)

    Viking Dame Reply:

    Not that I love Sam or anything, b/c I don’t, but that’s more or less how I took that comment too. That he’s just saying that Sookie is the better half of E/S, not the other way around.

    Viking Dame Reply:

    Actually, I take more issue with the first half of that comment. The “whatever Eric is to you…” part. Sam knows damn well what Eric is to Sookie and he knows she loves him.

  • Sherry

    Sam’s got more faults than you can shake a stick at. Does Sookie call him out on them? Not nearly as often as she should. But Sam always seems at the ready to emphasize what he deems a bad decision for Sookie. Asshat.

    With all the times he said shit about Eric to Sookie, how many times has Sookie outwardly said anything about the women Sam dates? We get all her thoughts on them but she filters – just like everyone else. With all the crap Sam spews, I can’t even think how much of it still stays in his head.

  • Bee

    I did a SUPER quick read through just to get a flavor for this boo, I’ll def have to go back through and reread, but in the mean time….

    E/S …. WOAH! I felt like so much was going on! Though like almost everyone else it seems…. I am slightly worried about their HEA, I’m not giving up. I think its still completely feasable that she will stay with Eric in the End. I agree with SVB, I dont noe why everyone expected it to be roses and sunshine when there are still 2 whole books left. I dont see CH introducing a new suitor.. I personally think it’ll be Eric or NOONE and because I dont see sookie content alone… I have to think its gonna be Eric. It just seem illogical that CH would spend 11 books working on a relationship between two characters just to break it up in the last 2 books. I’d really have to feel some type of way about CH if she did that.

    As far as that magical thing whose name i cant remember… I would hate it if Sookie used it to handle erics situation. Eric has proven himself to be just toooo crafty to need sookie to get out of this. At least need her in that way. I think they’d be able to come up with something or he come up with something before using the magical thing became necessary. I dont want her to become a vamp BUT i would like to see her find some way to extend her life… i mean.. i dont see eric still wanting to screw grandma sookie either. Perhaps i’m not giving him enough and their relationship enough credit.

    Also on the E/S HEA, though their relationship def took some blows in dead reckoning I think alot of ppl failed to notice that Sookie spent like HALF the book telling everybody that she loved Eric. She never falters on that point. She says it OVER AND OVER and when ppl try to test her on it she only gets stronger in her conviction that she loves Eric.

    as for the many subplots… no comment yet. Now time for the reread

  • Jeanna

    Hello I’m only halfway through the book and I’m sure this has popped up in other heads but I’m really wondering if the fairies or the C.D. is having anything to do with all the babies in Bon Temp? This book is really good so far I’m loving the tone and the lightness a few inside jokes like “oh Zombie” It really interesting that the people sookie has meet in these books have all be around her knowing and using this whole time I remember in D.D. her wondering if all the supes she met followed her around and if Sam was going to walk in any moment…Now I think that’s true and is it wrong that I feel Eric is still the only one that has her interest in heart and loves her even if he was apart of any spying or knowledge. It my love for him. Love this site can’t wait to hear theories and can’t wait to reread the books and get more insight and info.

    Morgan Jane Reply:

    Very good observation! All the babies and the fairies LOL! I don’t think Preston is the only shape shifting fairy… I think we will find out any full blooded fairy can do it! I am afraid that Claude wants to be in Sookies bed for another reason, I think CH mentioning the gift wrap story for a reason too. I think maybe Niall was trying to get her pregnant. I wouldn’t be surprised if something was up with that, I think Claude is either trying to get them back in faery… to see Niall… because they all have the Niall fever. Or he is preparing for a battle? Maybe with the grey things… who is after MR. C? Something bad is going on with all that. I do think Claude wants to protect Sookie but for selfish reasons maybe? I think his morals are different and he isn’t being devious, just a tricky fairy.

    There is just too much baby talk in these books… esp. with CH going around telling us Sookie won’t be turned. So I don’t think Sookie needs that constant reminder, CH already spilled those beans and we know she doesn’t want to be turned.

    I have come to the conclusion that this book needed a little more cow bell! We weren’t even told what Eric was wearing half the time… but Bill had on jeans and tank… he was slumming. CH was trying to turn him into Eric…why????

    IATM Reply:

    i know since when did Bill start wearing Tank tops?? ROTFL !! but Bill still sleeps naked in his hidey hole..**roll eye’s**

    i think i agree with you about the Fae preparing for a battle that is comming in one of the future books.. Niall is comming back that is for sure because his name was brought up way too many times..

    Viking Dame Reply:

    Bill still sleeping in a hidey hole on the dirt is just ridiculous. He has the money to have a room remodeled so that it’s light tight.

    KCScout Reply:

    I sure hope Dermott isn’t Fintan, having babies with all the women in Bon Temps. I was a little suspicious when he really wanted to go to the baby shower!

    Olulu Reply:

    Good observation! I thought Preston just had a special talent with shape-shifting, until we found out Fintan did it all the time with Gran to appear like Mitchell.

    And the remaining fairies weren’t against cross-procreating with humans, and now they’re stuck. Great theory that they could be impregnating the population, and definitely something for Sookie to remember.

    It would be really creepy if she ended up sleeping with her relatives, even if she thought it was Eric at the time…

  • Nan

    Wow! I felt dizzy as if I rode a roller-coaster! First, Sookie is empowered, fiercely showing her love for the Viking and then what? She breaks the bond without telling him? What? She wants him to open up and not keep things from her but it’s ok for her to do so…

    I’m glad the bond was broken. No more of her incessant blaming the bond for her feelings towards Eric or his towards her. She still shows how she did not understand the need for it but the moment she severed it, she realized how strong the connection was and the severity of her actions. I expected Eric’s reaction. Eric comes back after calming down and tells her he loves her. He does this in every way, every conversation, scene etc… and although she plainly states she loves him, she shuffles back and forth as she did when she had the bond. She disappointed me there as well as later on after she help mastermind Victor’s fall, she questioned the violence and the euphoria they all felt afterwards. I think Eric bit her hard to get her to wake up and stop acting like she was not expecting the bloodshed and what comes after. She knew from the Fae war Eric’s reactions after the war and was wounded. He needed her help. Anyway, I am glad Bill kind of gave her the wake up call. Someone needed to shake that into her two books ago. She loves Eric, act like it. You are in a war, there is bloodshed and casualties. You plan an ambush, there will be deaths. Why did CH revert Sookie back to her whining stage? So she ends another book again by Sookie looking to do or act as what she perceives to be “normal”??

    On another note, I’m loving the fact that this book shows how strong Eric’s love for Sookie is. Here we find out: He tried to protect her per Niall’s request for a long time, therefore, Niall did know Eric before and the vampire he referred to when he said good by was Eric. He saw Eric’s love for Sookie developing. There were not as many scenes with our Viking as I would like but when he was there, he never failed to show how much he cares for her. Eric Haters can say all they want; the man is crazy about her. That scene, their talk before and after the blood bond break and the porch sex, broke my heart for our Viking. He wants his wife and to confirm she feels the same way. This kind of helps you understand the struggle he’s been having with the proposal set up by Appius. He does not want to comply and is trying very hard to resolve the issue. This brings me to the scene when Sookie figures out what Pam has been trying to tell her without actually saying anything. When the Sook realizes that the problem is another woman, my heart broke for her. The shoe is on the other foot. All this time Eric has loved her and taken a backseat to whatever she is choosing to do and the possibility that she would select someone else to be with, as she did with Quinn for a bit and even assented that she was sad it didn’t pan out.

    Yet, inasmuch as CH left you wondering at the end whether Sookie will call Eric or wait for his call, I doubt the wedge that Victor’s killing put in their relationship will not be resolved in the next book in a positive way. She has taken the care to develop Eric into this great conflicted ruthless but full of love vampire for his human companion and also has made sure to slowly build up Sookie and Eric’s relationship as well. The Sookie and Eric story has been central and important part of the series and her own personal journey. Bill has no bearing on her HEA whatsoever and he gave it the last try with his interjecting of “Eric loves Beauty” and “Eric loves Power” bit while admonishing her for her reaction after the fight in Fangtasia. He added to her misery and that negated for me his standing up for Eric a bit in the beginning of his little speech, almost borrowing the same notion of TB with the “when opportunity presents itself” thinking.

    This was a very strong book. I think one of the strongest in the series. So many different emotions yet a lot of the same reactions. I liked the fact that some loose ends were taken care of. Now we know where the telepathy came from and why Mr. Cataliedes always seem to be partial to her even though she was human. We also find out, more or less, the reason why Claude and Dermot are attracted to her house and where the Home Improvement Sookie story may stem from. There was a reference to the Sam family wedding and how it fared for them there. His family thinks she is his girlfriend. Yet her thoughts and actions towards Sam is as a trusted friend. No stirrings. We also know now that Gran knew about Fintan, mostly, since he also was deceitful in spending time with her in disguise. Yet his gift was telling in the feelings he had for Gran. I think that was indication about human and supe relationships. A supe can care very deeply and make sacrifices and a human can make sacrifices to be with a supe. We also saw this with Pam and Miriam and Pam with Sookie. I loved when Eric said to Sookie that Pam was a real friend. Amelia, IMO, was not. She was more wrapped in her opinion that she kind of bull dozed Sookie into action without taking into consideration Sookie had acknowledged the marriage. That was disrespectful.

    The Alcide moment was a waste. I think the purpose was to remove him as a possible HEA because in all honesty, Alcide cannot see past his status as a pack master or the needs of his pack. There are no sacrifices for him other than his own people. The same with the Fae. They have their agenda and it really makes me wonder why they want Sookie to become more Fae. Do they want her to be able to go through the portal or become a hybrid Fae incubator since many female Fae have perished?

    Another thing. Did CH succumb to the fandom leaning towards Bill with that scene under the house when Sookie runs for cover? Why, oh Why did she have to run naked into his home? Couldn’t she kept her underwear? I think it was all to retract a bit the rape and draining scene. That was disappointing. But….. again CH showed how little interest she has in her description of any sensual or sexual interaction between Sookie and Bill.

    I really loved this book and must read it again. This was a more grown up Sookie and a more human Eric as well. I have faith that CH will not throw away the journey she’s put on Sookie and Eric regarding their love for each other. I have to go back and read the Rhodes excerpts to see what where Sookie’s reactions (and Eric’s) to Freyja then. I think the final showdown will be Sookie fighting for the man she loves. Her decision to use the CD must involve Eric. It will break my heart if they do not end together, but whatever happens, I hope the Viking is happy. I have good expectations for this story and I think the next book won’t disappoint us.

    VikingLover Reply:

    Fantastic post, Nan! :D

    Nan Reply:

    Thanks VL! loved your post earlier! CH is not going to magically turned Sam in one book into Sookie’s HEA. I am seeing the glass full with this book. My money is on Eric in some amended HEA, not what Sookie may have started with at the beginning of the book. She is no longer the same person, therefore, what will ultimately make her happy is no longer the white picket fence with a bunch of kids to hang from Jason’s biceps.

    ps. I just want to add to SVB, my thanks for the fantastic original review posted a few days ago. It helped me stay focused on the overall picture while not discounting the details. Sometimes you are too entrenched in the mix to see what is developing.

    MajDenmark Reply:

    Very well written and I completely agree with you on every level. The Sookie and Eric journey is (hopefully) too sacred to throw away.

    You’re spot on, on many of the points and views :)

    My heart will bleed too if they don’t end up together :/

    Although IF they don’t I’m sure CH does it in a dramatic, heart-ripping and beautiful way because they deserve at least as much.

    Nancy Garcia Reply:

    Thanks Maj. A very dear poster friend once said that maybe CH can end it as Eric being King of Louisiana and although he may not be with her, will always protect her. That may be a bittersweet end. As long as he is not married to another Freyja or another Vamp Queen. I think that would be terrible for Sookie.

    MajDenmark Reply:

    Again spot on.

    If CH decides to end it I’m sure its because of the drama, politics and different details and not for lack of love. Eric and Sookie will always love each other deeply but in books as in real life that often isn’t enough. Oddly, I would be okay with that. Maybe … well … I’m not sure ..
    Eric and Sookie are just so different and especially their future (mostly Sookies) holds no plan of each other in it .. BUT as long as they love each other deeply I would – in time – be okay with it.

    If Eric is to take the crown of Louisiana I’m sure its because its the best way to protect Sookie. That would mean he has the highest authority in the area and that would give Sookie the best protection. If that means he cannot be with her – properly Eric will sacrifice their relationship for that.

    Paloma Reply:

    FANTASTIC post Nan! Totally spot on!!

    Nancy Garcia Reply:

    Thanks Paloma! :)

    deb Reply:

    GREAT Post!

    KB Reply:

    Right on! I agree on many fronts. Sookie is coming into her own and needs to come to terms with the “otherness” of Eric. The love nips seem to have blinded her from the potential of those teeth and that strength. Now she seems to get it. She’s strong enough to be his partner and really showed it in this book. I am really hopeful that she uses the c.d. to enable her relationship with Eric to move forward and avoid this collision with Oklahoma. (Very interesting that the bomb was dropped, but with a very long fuse. I re-read the draft book summary and think they must have split the narrative into Book 12 in order to focus on knocking out Victor.)

    Agreed on the worst scenes. A good editor would have hacked (1) Alcide in bed(he was a gentleman before; pack master or no.); (2) Bill’s erection under the house; (3) ice pack on the yahoo. Thank goodness that Quinn was MIA. Worried that he might come back if things heat up with Felipe.

  • deedums64

    Okay -

    I read the book and posted my thoughts earlier in this thread and I was happy about how the book ended. I started to read through the comments here and I just got a sinking feeling in my gut regarding the E/S HEA.

    I re-read the bite scene carefully and I did not come away with good feelings for the future. I too get really emotionally involved with this story and I have a major case of “bumper lip” right now.

    Maybe I cannot see the forest through the trees. I keep trying to think of the big picture but I am wallowing in the mire of details. I need a big shot of hope. Next May cannot come fast enough. Ugh

  • *C.K.

    I also think that if Sookie chooses to be with Eric that she need to let go of this idea of who she wants him to be. Sometimes it seems as though he cannot live up to her expectation and she gets a little dissapointed. For instance when Eric tells Sookie about Chico and his mom, Sookie wants Eric to feel bad for them but she is a little dissapointed that he does not. Also, there was a scene in Dead and Gone when they were at Fangtasia and there was a fangbanger with low self- esteem. Sookie imagined Eric going over and make her feel better. Those are just a few examples even AE would not have cared. It is just little things like that. It is a work in progress. I guess that is stuff to think about. They both have things they need to work on in their relationship.

    IATM Reply:

    Sookie throughout the books has had an unrealistic expectations with all her lover’s.. she doesnt live in reality too often..

    Sherry Reply:

    It is a work in progress, I agree. Sookie looked at Eric to see if he could even muster up a slight expression of care over the Chico situation. Compare that to the lack of anything when the two humans were killed because of Alexi in DITF and then the girl with the low self-esteem where she imagined a whole little scenario?

    Sookie lives in the human world, where she expects people to have reactions to the deaths of other humans. Even the weres and shifters react, despite how close they are to seeing death on a regular basis. But the vampires have no reaction and that is what she’s trying to reconcile with in her head.

    Viking Dame Reply:

    I think vampires absolutely DO react to deaths, it just depends on who did the dying. Eric would most definitely be affected if Sookie dies. He’d be affected if Pam died. Sookie knew he was feeling emotion about the fate of his crew in FDTW when he put off asking about them (to Victor) for last. QSA was said to be distraught over the death of Andre. It’s just that a vampire will have only a very small inner circle to really care about. If you’re not in that circle then, no, they’re not going to be concerned.

    Mony Reply:

    “It’s just that a vampire will have only a very small inner circle to really care about. If you’re not in that circle then, no, they’re not going to be concerned.” – Agree 100%.
    Eric was worried while he was picturing what would have happen to Pam and Sookie if he’d die vs Victor..If he has to watch Sookie die or being tortured (like she was in book 9) he will react , badly, and the same for Pam. He will be devastated. If is some stranger or even, let’s say, Jason he won’t react. He might be sad about Jason, but not becouse he cares but becouse Sookie cares about her brother…like he told her in DTTW.

    deb Reply:

    Who was the vamp/Bartender that died in book 10? He shed a tear over him and made Pam hush her words (in the van on the drive home from the fae hospital) and stated that he lived on in Bill…can’t remember his name

    Sherry Reply:

    Very good point VD -

    Vamps have a small inner circle that they care about and if you’re not in that circle then they don’t care if you live or die. But that’s also part of it – all the examples you mentioned are about caring about other vamps.

    Eric, Bill and Pam are the only ones to care about a human – the same human. Other than that, they couldn’t give two shits about another human dying.

    glamored Reply:

    It’s not just her lovers for whom she has unrealistic expectations–she expects everyone to have the same values that she does regarding other people. I noted this in my book and I think it’s pertinent here, “both the fairies nodded when I mentioned the firebombing. They looked interested, but uninvolved–a look I was used to seeing from vampires. They didn’t really care a whole hell of a bunch about what happened to humans they didn’t know.”

    There are plenty of people who feel the same way, but Sookie seems to expect the supes in her life to care and it frustrates her that they don’t.

    Megan Reply:

    Sookie’s expectations of other supes are so unrealistic, and also this speaks of her inabillity to put herself in certain supes’ shoes. Think of vampire and fairies, who both live very long lives or even are immortal, and see thousands of humans around them die over the years. Why the hell would they care for one death of a human they don’t even know?

    If they went about their lives caring about random people like that, they’d go mad. Imagine a guy like Eric caring about every single human death during the years of the Black Plague when the bodies of men, women and children were literally piled up on the streets. Ricidulous. And that really tells me that Sookie, even though she thinks of herself as smart, isn’t all that intelligent, if she can’t even understand that vampires and fairies have to be different like that to survive.

    Sherry Reply:

    Exactly. And I think that’s the point that Sookie needs to reconcile herself with. Vamps and fairies are used to the death of humans and have been for centuries. They don’t care about the small dealings of humans they never met or have minuscule associations with.

    Someone raised a good point with Jason. Eric wouldn’t really feel bad about Jason dying. He would care for Sookie because Sookie cares about Jason.

    wahoozit Reply:

    I think Sookie needs to identify that trait in herself as well. Is she overly bothered when a member of the supernatural community she doesn’t know dies? Nope.

    Dee Reply:

    Seriously, does she realize that she has the same views on supes as Eric does on humans. Eric does not care about humans he doesn’t know. It’s how vampires are, even Bill is the same in the books. When Sookie asked him if he would’ve helped Dawn, his answer was no and that he doesn’t automatically care about humans the way she does. They only care about those that they love and care for.

    Sookie is not all bothered if she hears about a supe dying, she doesn’t automatically care about them. But she does care when it is someone she loves or cares for. Her outlook on supes does not hold her back from loving one and same with Eric, his view on humans has not held him back from loving Sookie.

    glamored Reply:

    Oh, snap, Dee! Great point! Sookie has said more than once that it does not bother her as much when a vampire dies, but she expects them to feel remorseful about human deaths! Like when Alexei killed the gang members and Eric wasn’t concerned about them, but about being implicated in the deaths! And she did not have nearly as much remorse about Lorena’s death as she did about Debbie’s.

    Dee Reply:

    Exactly glamored! Maybe that is what Sookie needs to realize. She gets upset when people don’t treat supes as equals but she also does the same thing. She is placing ones life higher than the other. She thinks human loss is worse than supe loss.

    jsnider Reply:

    She wants Eric to have human feelings and reactions….but he’s not Human. He’s 1,000 yrs old and has seen more stuff and done more stuff than she will ever be able to comprehend. He didn’t tell her about Chico to say “isn’t that so sad” but to warn her what they could be up against and why he is working so hard to protect her….her wanting him to react at that moment was silly—it’s not why he was sharing that info with her.

    Sookie is going to have to accept Eric as a vampire and quit trying to make him a Vampire with human sentiments…..Eric accepts her for who she is for the most part and she has always appreciated that about him–she has to do the same.

  • Jerron

    I have so so feelings about the book…but for the most part I liked Sookie demanding answers to her questions…I am so sick of her and Eric not finishing converstations! Once just once let them talk things out!

    More fairy intrigue…no please less fairy intrigue.

    I would love for her to use the c.d. to make Eric human and have one scene where her eats all her food! Just something for fanfic I guess.

  • Hootiecat1

    What a great book. Thank you Charlain Harris!
    What a lot to think of, tear apart and digest

    Eric has just now gotten free of Appius and even thow it hurt him to loose his maker, he was also relieved took huge deep breath’s I think he would go rogue rather than be under anyone’s thumb no matter what the QoO could bring him. HE LOVES SOOKIE CHOSE HER AND PAM.

    Several question come up for me. WHAT IS SOOKIE? This was asked by several sups. The Elf Bellenos and Jannalynn crazy Sandra couldn’t figure out why Sookie didn’t die. Appius’s surprise at how rare Sookie is, also at the end Appius was afraid of Sookie because he knew she would kill him. I think Appius saw something in Sookie in those last seconds of his life that forced him to save her life when he spoke to her in her head forcing her to move so he died not her. I’VE NOTICED THROUGHOUT THE BOOKS THAT SUPS THAT WANT TO KILL SOOKIE DONT! Charles & Colman maybe even Claude & Dermot?

    Heres my thinking: Who will Niall make his death appearance to? He’s the oldest living Fae Royalty and Sookie is the youngest. (thow part fae & demon now) The Fae are having reproduction issues not enough fae women. Sookie has the “essential spark?” and now the cluviel dor with her dash of demon blood thrown into her gene mix thanks to Mr. C. wanting to give his friend Fenton’s family an edge. (Mr. C mentions how useful telepathy would be for a Fae Prince, Queen? They would know how to put down rebellion before it began.) Sookie is turning more fae by association with C & D. Dermot treats Sookie as a Queen. (pre-cursor to what she is.) The Fae have an agenda for Sookie, but so far we don’t know what it is. A lot of comments about Sookie being used in their breeding program. Not a lot about the potential power she could grab from the Fae Political Structure. She is in line for Royalty and this could be part of the prep.

    DR left us with Sookie thinking she can’t compete with the QoO. She’s human with no power, wealth, and to her own mind “what the hell is a beautiful vamp like Eric doing with a plane Jane like me?” Of course our asshole Compton played Sookie’s insecurities big time trying to recycle himself into the Viking’s vacated place and just happened to drop how much Eric loves power and beauty. God, I wanted to slap that worthless bitch bill.

    To my way of thinking Sookie just proved herself more fae than ever. Our Sookie is more bloody vicious than Eric already. She planned and executed Victor and his followers. She had the vamps do the work of killing but she led them to it, used who ever and what ever she could get her hands on to do it. A mirror image of Eric but more. A POWERFUL LEADER ALREADY.
    Now has her moral qualm’s to deal with.
    WHEN SOOKIE HAS ALL THE PIECES OF WHAT SHE REALLY IS, SHE’S GOING TO BE ONE BADASSMOTHERFUCKER.
    Niall is going to pay for “Gift Wrapped.” Sookie is going to go ballistic when she finds out that Niall charmed her into sex with a fairy, then wiped her memory. Sookie definitely did not approve of Fenton’s deceptions with her Gran’s life. (even if Fenton loved Gran, Sook recognized supe love could be enduring.) How’s she goina feel being used like that after she’s already gone through being raped by bill? Now raped mentally too by her great grandfather?
    I think she’ll take over the Fae World, maybe open the doors with the cluviel dor with the intention of letting the fae race die out. When she’s through with the fae Eric’s vampire nature is going to be a piece of cake for her.
    Sookie has strong ideas of who she has sex with, she chooses, as she’s proved with bill and Alcide and by clearing her house of any so call friends who questions her decisions.

    One other thing. How did Mr. C know the exact time and date that Sandra’s hoods would show up to hurt Sookie?
    Sook gets another look at Lily Leeds real love for her husband – volcanic!
    Does Mr. C have another gift of knowing things before they happen? Now our Sook has a way of pulling random pieces and people (Chico, Colton & Bubba) into what she wants accomplished? Is she growing a new gift, maybe more than Mr. C thought he was giving to the Stackhouse family tree? Is that why other sups are asking her what she is?

    Eric is her HEA, I only question when she’ll begin her fight for him? Right now my feelings are that Eric needs to be free of Sookie. Just as much as Sookie needs to pick up on what’s really happening around her with the Fae.
    Sam’s a piece. I’ll be glad when he’s exposed for what he is – not a friend with Sookie’s happiness in his heart.

    I think there is going to be another Fae war, but Sookie is going to war against them.

  • chris W

    Finished the book, finally(free from angry bird interuption from those pesky kids:)). Even though I’m frustrated by their lack of communication, i sort of understand that the relationship is still new. It’s like what 3 months plus since Feb. So this is the humping like rabbit phase of the relationship, no time to talk, still insecure of thier position in each other’s life kind of phase. It’s changing slowly though judging by the swing porch and I hope there will more talking and equal amount of sexing:)It’s funny to see somehow that Eric is more open of his emotion to Sookie like admitting he’s scared she might leave him if he tell her how to break the bond. I feel for eric, that guy has chase her for like more than a year and he’s still doing it. I kind of understand why Eric didn’t want to tell sookie about the deal with the Queen. He tries to get out of it quitely without involving sookie. He is a man after all just like what Pam said in DITF, he doesn’t want to look weak and again scared sookie might leave him. He really want her. I doubt he will loose his freedom if he marries the queen. I think the queen really is in lust with eric and he is a skilled fighter. Sookie should really think that if Eric doesn’t love her enough, he would have just agreed to marry the queen and leave LA. He doesn’t have to deal with Victor, he could just pack up and leave with Pam and let the wolves fight over sookie but he stayed. That should be enough proof. He’s not perfect but he’s twying really hard.

    I still think they are heading to the right direction. If sookie decides to let eric go, then it’s her lost. I know this is a sookie story but I can’t help but feel for eric.

  • jsnider

    Just a thought…..could True Blood ACTUALLY be giving us a clue as to what if anything Sam could possibly be hiding…if there’s a major secret with him going on….True Blood sometimes skips ahead and pulls things from future books and perhaps they have pulled some of the storyline with Sam on the show from CH’s outline of Books 12 and 13…..IDK it was just a thought.

  • skargasmic

    I am so late to this game but here is my take. Sookie has to be the one to make the decision now as to whether she wants to fight for Eric or not. Eric has made his choice IMO, and he will fight to the death to keep her as his only wife.Will it be worth it to her? I think so because she does not value money or material items, but she does value his love. Now that she knows what she feels for him is genuine and true, she will fight as well to keep him. Our girl Sook, has really matured. I would not doubt that she would use the ‘cluviel dor’ to save Eric if he were in great danger.

    VampLilly Reply:

    Are you my twin? Lol! Excellent post!

  • skargasmic

    I could be VampLilly!! Thanks :)

  • osterby

    Doe anyone care to share their thoughts on the cover now that we have read the book?

    Sherry Reply:

    I think its Sookie’s world getting flipped in its heels. Everything she was raised to hold dear – her morality, her christian nature,her ability to fight, her family is all being called into question.

    Fire in one interpretation has always meant regeneration. A fire burns and then something new develops from it. The letters Sookie found out about are burning – signaling the end of one phase and the beginning of another.

  • skargasmic

    I still think the same thing I thought before I read it, which is that Sookie feels as if her whole world has been turned upside down. She had this certain image of her Gran in her head and that view is gone forever. She knew from what Niall told her that her Gran wanted children and that is why she did the deed with Fintan but it was still hard for her to visualize so when she read it in her Gran’s own words, she was thrown for a loop. Not to mention that a lot of people seem to want to kill her and her relationship with Eric is precious to her and it has been very confusing to her. Which makes me glad the BB is gone, because now she knows her feelings are genuine. I am surprised the girl has not gone mental but Sook has done a lot of maturing and will continue to do so.