Drive-By Rant

When I first started this blog, I would rant about things that pissed me off about this show and its fandom on an almost daily basis.

I hardly ever get to do that any more – the daily grind of running the site has certainly impacted on the amount of time I have to spend picking fluff out of my navel.

Fuck that. It’s time my navel got more attention.

Bill Compton and his long list of selfless deeds DO NOT PROVE that his love for Sookie turned him into some sort of altruistic white knight.

Stop this shit.

Just STOP IT.

I’ve just been reading a List of Bill’s Heroic Deeds on facebook. I’m sure I don’t need to copy and paste that tripe here – you’re all intimately familiar with the contents of these ad nauseum lists, I’m sure. They’ve been posted all over since 2008.

I have no problem with people trying to defend their preferred character. What I DO have a problem with is the fact that lately, these lists completely ignore what we know about Bill’s motives now, in comparison to what we knew when these “self sacrificing” acts were committed. Bill performed all these marvellous acts to save Sookie’s life over the first three seasons – but never-you-mind why her life was so valuable to him in the first place.

When it hadn’t been revealed (not explicitly anyway) that Bill was sent to do a job, some of Bill’s actions could certainly pass for “heroic”.

But knowing what we know now, it’s laughable to even attempt to make an argument that Bill was some knight in shining armour who just wanted to keep Sookie safe…and NOTHING else.

The facts are that Bill was sent to secure Sookie for his employer, the Queen. Whether or not Bill developed feelings for her is completely irrelevant in this regard; whatever those feelings were they weren’t enough to make him abandon his task. Whether or not Bill is working for the AVL is likewise irrelevant.

The upshot of Bill’s mission is that for Sookie to be of use to the Queen (or anyone else with a vested interest) SHE HAS TO BE ALIVE.

No matter who Bill is working for or what his mission entailed, the fact remains that Sookie is completely worthless if she’s dead.

Bill’s saving her ass from ANYTHING – whether it be the Ratts, Malcolm and the terrible trio, Maryann and her clawing, Russell, Renee or anyone else who’s tried to take her out – is no longer the straightforward matter that it was in season one and two, before we knew what Bill was tasked with.

Now, it’s a matter for the viewer to decide whether Bill did it all for love – or whether he did it because Sophie Anne (or the AVL…take your pick) would have his “fangs for earrings” if Sookie had died on his watch, taking her magical and much coveted fairy blood with her.

Incidentally, Eric was under no such threat of an ass kicking. Whatever Eric did for Sookie, he did because he wanted to – not because someone had a metaphorical knife to his throat.

Yet Bill is the “hero” of this piece?

Give me a fucking break.

Spare me your fucking lies, we’ll find out the truth on our own.


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230 comments to Drive-By Rant

  • kellyp 1981

    i have really missed your rants, they’re so true, its like reading the little voice in my head.

    i truely think that all these ‘bill lovers’ must be the same type of people who get stuck in abusive relationships and deny its unhealthy because their partner really does love them. its the only way i can believe they aren’t all utterly insane.

    i do kinda feel sorry for them, maybe they started thinking bill was great and are too embarassed to admit they were wrong…

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    A-pos Reply:

    AMEN

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  • Rachel

    Oh, I missed your rants. I agree with the first poster, they’re like reading the little voice inside my head! :]

    Every once in a while the weirdos who think Bill is awesome need to be reminded. Especially before season 4 starts.

    Also, what a nice thing to read (and see!) on Monday morning.

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  • I can’t believe the BL’s think he’s a hero still!!If it wasn’t for Bill. Sookie wouldn’t have been beaten by the Rat’s in the first place. Sure he staked LS ,but the guys back was turned while he was choking the life out of Sook. Thats real heroic(eye roll)Sook pretty much saved herself (with doggy help) from Rene,while Beel was becoming a crispy critter.And he led RE right to Sookie with his impulsive escape from the mansion.Bill is more like ridiculous comic relief, cue the ninja monkey move LOL.I would love to have the mind altering drugs the BL’s are on ,or not !!

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    TB LOVER Reply:

    Bill did not show KRE where Sookie was hiding. KRE already knew because Debbie Pelt told Cooter that Alcide has some chic living there who was asking about a Bill. That is why Cooter went to see Bill in his room – to taunt him. They weer playing a game with Bill. Please re-watch – you have it wrong.

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    Ashley Reply:

    Your partially right.

    But RE only knew about Sookie because of Bills little file that Franklin found in Bill’s house. You know, the one Bill lied to Sookie about? When RE had that file that’s when RE decided Sookie must be more than what meets the eye and sent Coot to antagonize Bill.

    RE knew Bill would lead them right to her. So yes, Coot did tell RE that Sookie was in Jackson. But he set Bill up to lead them to her and make sure Bill exposed himself and the fact that he had been lying to RE and had no intention of really alligning himself with him, and Sookie intrigued RE. It was all a big game to RE…and two birds with one stone. And Bill fell for it, not surprisingly. :)

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    Dee Reply:

    TBL-No Bill didn’t blow up Sookie’s location, he’s only the reason that RE even had an interest in Sookie because of that little folder found in his house.

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  • Reginabee

    I agree, he’s not a hero, but I still like him. I don’t have that slavish he-can-do-no-wrong wild-eyed hero worship LOVE for him, but I like him. Can’t help it. Sorry.

    Oh the other hand, I do love your rants – even when I don’t agree 100%.

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  • Ashley

    Bwahahaha LOVE it!!! And can I get a hell fucking yeah!!!

    The RATTS shouldnt be used in defense of Bill AT ALL since we now know that Bill let her get beat up and only saved her to give her blood!!! I dare anyone to use that in defense of Bill, and am stunned to think that anyone would.

    Malcolm, Liam, and Diane—yeah, he saved her, he was on a mission. Note he let them terrorize her for a bit before he stepped in though…he was probably getting off on her fear…we know he does…graveyard scene anyone? Bill did NOT love Sookie by then anyways. So that doesnt prove shit.

    Im not going to go through the whole list. But incidentally most of the “saving” Bill did happened in Seaso 1….when the motive for his actions are the MOST suspicious.

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    HelenaHandbasket Reply:

    Hell fucking YEAH!

    I think some ppl need to go back and rewatch season one, especially in light of all we know since the season 3 finale.

    Like really, get a fucking clue!

    Great rant SVB!

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    merlyn Reply:

    Oh my gosh, I agree with this so much! I went back and re-watched season 1 and Bill was seriously creepy, now that I had the knowledge of the season 3 finale. Just…ew.

    (Um, hi SVB. I adore your site. :D )

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    jennifermarguerite Reply:

    YES! good with the re-watching. bill’s ulterior motive is apparent in episode 1; in the very 1st stare he gives sookie…the very 1st moment he lays eyes on her…yes! ok, he’s a predator, and is obviously drooling behind that creepy stare, but there’s more to it. bill does NOT have any hint of “love at first sight” in that creepy very old face of his. the mood of that scene is stalker. im gonna re-watch it again.

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    jennifermarguerite Reply:

    HELL F**KING YEAH MO-FO!!

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  • Loved the rant.
    I think of BL’s in the same way as those women who fall in love with guys in jail for life and marry them, hopeless.
    I guess if Bill hadn’t fallen in love with Sookie, then it would have been ok to have her beaten within an inch of her life? DUH! I’m convinced they can’t separate the actor from the character he portrays. Again DUH!

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    Reginabee Reply:

    Oh, no. Haven’t you heard? They think the Eric lovers are the ones who like to be abused. Based on WHAT?

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    Bobsgran Reply:

    Reminds me of the old adage “My mind is made up. Don’t confuse me with facts?”

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    znb Reply:

    amen!

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  • Ashley

    And may I add that Bill did NOT save sookie from the maenad…Eric called Dr. Ludwig when her back was scratched, and paid for it himself.

    And as far as killing the maenad, that was all Sam. Bill did nothing except watch Sam sacrifice himself. Sam got stabbed, and Sam killed her. Bill was going to make him do it if he didn’t agree to it, LOL. Bill went and got the plan, I give him that. But hey, Eric tried didn’t he? Damn Yahtzee.

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    SVB Reply:

    Oh but yanno Ash, Bill TOOK Sookie to Eric so that HE could save her ass.

    *eyeroll*

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    Ashley Reply:

    LMAO

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    heart's desire Reply:

    He didn’t save her when he so gallantly ran out in the sun either. :roll: There are very few times he actually did save her.

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    Reginabee Reply:

    When has he actually saved her?
    Ratts: Doesn’t count.
    Rene: No – She saved herself.
    FOTS: No – Eric and Jason saved her. Bill just stood there.
    Maenad: No – Sam.
    KRE’s house: No – Tara and Alcide saved her.
    Debbie: No – Sookie kicked Debbie’s ass.

    I’m coming up blank on when he actually saved her.

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    Ashley Reply:

    Don’t forget that the only reason RE was after Sookie in the first place is Bill’s DIRTY LITTLE FILE that Franklin found.

    And Bill saving her in the hospital doesn’t count either because he’s the one who nearly killed her and put her in there.

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    Reginabee Reply:

    I don’t think he saved her in the hospital, anyway. I think it was just lucky timing on his part, because Claudine was already taking care of the situation. And I’m sorry, but when you CAUSE the injury, you don’t get fucking credit for healing the injury.

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    VikingLover Reply:

    {..but when you CAUSE the injury, you don’t get fucking credit for healing the injury.}

    WORD! I don’t know why people forget that first part – THAT HE DRAINED HER IN THE FIRST PLACE!

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    HelenaHandbasket Reply:

    No kidding.

    Its like the guy who beats his wife, then drives her to the hospital.
    awwww!

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    Freyja Reply:

    So you don’t find that sweet??? ;)

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    jennifermarguerite Reply:

    yup! p.s. “WORD!” i almost forget about that one. we LOVED using it.
    YOU:”Askars is hot” ME:”Word up!” lol.

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    skargasmic Reply:

    Also FOTS: Godric saved her from being raped, minutes if no seconds, Eric showed up. Not to mention Eric’s well-timed staking of Talbot SAVED BILL’S ASS!! RE would have used Sookie as leverage if Bill did not pledge fealty to him hence his saying “looks like we won’t need the girl after all” but after Franklin brought the file on Sookie Bill had in his house, he was oh so curious!!

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    WaitingForSunday Reply:

    He saved her in the hospital by giving her his blood when she nearly died after being drained. Hey, wait a minute! He’s the one who drained her! Nope, doesn’t count! :lol:

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  • dinab

    I totally love your website and lurk often.

    I love your rant. It reminds me of a self help book from the 80′s about women who pick the wrong men.

    It said to list all the man’s good qualities and all his bad ones, and then compare it to your total dating history with all men.

    The problem with listing the good and bad qualities is that to some people, the good outweighs the bad.

    If his bad qualities are as bad as Bill’s, there is no point in listing the good.

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  • booksookie

    As far as I’m concerned, any diatribe about saving is moot and those STILL trying to defend him have obviously lost contact with REALITY. The fact that they are so many is grimly alarming. Sookie wouldn’t have found herself in ANY of those situations if it weren’t for Bill entering her life. He brought havoc upon her and it was ALL for selfish reasons, anyway you choose to look at it. Period! SVB, I’ve missed your rants!

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  • Winnie

    I just want to say how much I love this site, (as an Eric fan who only started reading the books after getting into the series to get more on my favorite Viking,) it’s a respite from Bill fandom. It’s a testament to AS’s talent and charisma that while I normally go for a guy who looks like SM and am NOT into big blond Norsemen generally at all I was wild for Eric at first sight,(though, not neccessarily liking him until the second season.) WORD to everything you’ve said here; it’s also worth remembering that after Bill staked LS, he tells Eric, “Sookie must be protected!” Eric-”That sounds like an edict-but it couldn’t be because *I* would know about that.” In retrospect that was totally subtle but brilliant foreshadowing on AB’s part. It’s not that I doubt Bill in his possessive way has genuine feelings for Sookie; it’s just that his motives aren’t so pure as he assures us. (And for the record even in seasons 1 and 2 when Bill was portrayed as purely romantic there was something always a little ridiculous and ineffectual about him-even when he seemed noble going out into the sun it didn’t help Sookie with Rene. Godric and Eric saved Sookie in the Fellowship basement while Bill was kept captive by Lorena. This wouldn’t matter, (hey not every guy’s a born Alpha male and that’s FINE-everyone loves Lala and Terry!,) except that Bill always insisted on behaving like he was a born alpha and now that we know it wasn’t entirely “chivalry” it becomes just unsufferable. Bill’s story was that Sookie’s special blood drew him to her on a unconscious level and then he developed real feelings for her but ironically that seems to be far more the case with Eric who really didn’t know that Sookie had any particular importance when they first met but found himself magnetized by her anyway without understanding *why* much to his own frusteration. And as you said, Eric’s the one who’s protected Sookie without any edict; he did so with the fellowship of the sun, he threw himself on silver bullets for her, killing the wolf at her house, etc. etc. Sookie herself commented that Eric could be selfless at times. Plus I keep going back to Eric’s reactions to seeing Bill ‘mainstreaming’ in Season 1…there was always something off about Eric’s attitude-it seemed exceptionally mocking even for Eric and now I think I know why. Because Eric KNEW that something about Bill’s new Southern gentleman going home to Bon Temps and dating a nice little waitress act didn’t ring true. He sensed there was another angle even if he didn’t know what it was. Bill was playacting and Eric could tell so Eric became especially malicious to goad Bill into revealing what it was. (It’s also obvious looking back that Bill’s always been a little jealous of Eric-when Sookie first asks about who he is listen to Bill’s tone when he says-”Oh you noticed him-that’s *Eric*.” It’s like a girl in high school getting all snotty about the gorgous cheerleader who dates all the popular boys. You know one of the things I’m mostly looking forward to next season is the purported flashback between Eric/Bill-I bet there’s an amazing backstory there and I can’t wait to see it.

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    SVB Reply:

    YES YES YES to every.word.of.this.

    And welcome Winnie :)

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    SVB Reply:

    Bill’s story was that Sookie’s special blood drew him to her on a unconscious level and then he developed real feelings for her but ironically that seems to be far more the case with Eric who really didn’t know that Sookie had any particular importance when they first met but found himself magnetized by her anyway without understanding *why* much to his own frustration.

    I just wanted to comment on this because it’s something that is often overlooked. Bill is always depicted as the one who is “finding his humanity” through Sookie. Eric is undergoing the same journey but what makes his so fascinating is the fact that he doesn’t WANT it. He doesn’t WANT to feel. Yet, we’ve seen in the books (where his character development is more advanced now than it is on TB) that he ends up far more in touch with his feelings as a result of his relationship with Sookie than Bill EVER does. Eric is gone, hook line and sinker now – and more importantly has no qualms admitting that to her.

    “I think you know how I feel,” he said, in a whisper. “We are bonded. Can you believe I’m not thinking of you while I work? When my eyes open, I think of you, of every part of you.”
    “Do you love me?”
    “If this is not true love, it’s as close as anyone gets. Can you see what you’ve done to me?”
    “I hurt with you, I bled with you…not only because we are bonded, but because of the love I have for you.”

    Bill never felt like that in the books, and I don’t believe he does on True Blood either.

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    Ashley Reply:

    To quote Pam, Bill is “an infatuated tween”.

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    Reginabee Reply:

    …and Pam is always right. A L W A Y S !!

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    Lene Reply:

    Yep. Pam is to Eric what Tara is to Sookie: The one who speaks the truth and keeps him/her on point. I just loved it when Pam reprimanded Eric for his treatment of Ywetta. He’s her maker and he just made his will, yet she’s not taking it easy on him.

    For this very reason I’m looking forward to Tara/Pam. Both are strong, snarky, women with “zero patience for that kind of shit” and a hidden vulnerable side.

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    *C.K. Reply:

    I agree. I find Eric’s story mmore compelling because he struggles against his feelings.Yes, he does not like having feelings for Sookie. Sookie also struggles against her attraction for Eric. Even Bill admitted that Sookies attraction to Eric was not purely based on the blood bond. In season one Eric had that lion esque stare and in season three you can see that dissolve a little when he told Sookie about him and Godric and when he got uncomfortable talking to Sookie at Fangtasia etc… It seems as though Sookie knows more about Eric’s history than Bill’s. In the books, Sookie once mentioned that Bill was not much of a talker. Also, I like that Sookie and Eric were friends first in the books and then the relationship progressed. It’s more realistic. Also, Eric wants Sookie to know about his life but he does not want to be seen as vulnerable. Possibly this season we will discover a little more about Eric’s human life. I wonder if Eric’s necklace is some kind of heirloom from his mother or something? It would be nice if they gave the necklace a little story (I think he has a few necklaces that he wears) One is a claw but I do not know what the others are.

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    jennifermarguerite Reply:

    oh god, that brings tears to my eyes every time.

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    znb Reply:

    i agree with everything so completely im speechless!

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    heart's desire Reply:

    Great post Winnie & spot on!

    @ “Plus I keep going back to Eric’s reactions to seeing Bill ‘mainstreaming’ in Season 1…there was always something off about Eric’s attitude-it seemed exceptionally mocking even for Eric and now I think I know why. Because Eric KNEW that something about Bill’s new Southern gentleman going home to Bon Temps and dating a nice little waitress act didn’t ring true. He sensed there was another angle even if he didn’t know what it was. Bill was playacting and Eric could tell so Eric became especially malicious to goad Bill into revealing what it was. (It’s also obvious looking back that Bill’s always been a little jealous of Eric-when Sookie first asks about who he is listen to Bill’s tone when he says-”Oh you noticed him-that’s *Eric*.” It’s like a girl in high school getting all snotty about the gorgous cheerleader who dates all the popular boys.”

    This sums it up perfectly. There are those that have misinterpreted that “exceptionally mocking” & “malicious” attitude Eric had towards Bill in S1. They have convinced themselves that Eric only wanted Sookie because she was Bill’s and try to make him more important to Eric than he really is.

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    heart's desire Reply:

    Oops, I only meant to bold – “Bill was playacting and Eric could tell so Eric became especially malicious to goad Bill into revealing what it was.” :lol:

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    skargasmic Reply:

    Great post Winnie! :)

    @”Because Eric KNEW that something about Bill’s new Southern gentleman going home to Bon Temps and dating a nice little waitress act didn’t ring true. He sensed there was another angle even if he didn’t know what it was.”

    That was my thought as well. Eric did not seem to trust him at all, and I bet it has something to do with their past and I am so hoping that 80′s flashback will prove it.

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    Dee Reply:

    The first scene in Fangtasia in S1 really did give away Bill’s true nature. You all already said it perfectly so won’t repeat the same thing about Eric not trusting Bill. But Bill himself made it SO obvious. The moment he walked in and saw Pam, the first thing he says “I’m mainstreaming now” he wanted to make sure Pam knew this and not to say anything to change that impression of him in front of his new lady friend. Then he goes up to Eric and that’s the first thing he says again. I wish I could think of a better comparison at this moment but it’s late so the only one I can think of is that Bill’s actions reminded me of a man who is on speakerphone with his gf next to him and makes sure to tell his friend as soon as he picks up “my gf is here next to me” So basically “keep your mouth shut”

    Another important scene is when Malcolm and co., showed up at his house. When I watched the first season, I hadn’t even read the books and knew nothing about the storyline in them at all. So watching this episode the first time, it was all SOOOO creepy and confusing for me. I just remember thinking “Who the hell is Bill Compton really?” he was portraying himself as the perfect southern gentleman and then seeing that scene in his house, he was just a completely different person. If those were his friends, then that alone made you realize there is a lot more to him than he lets on. Plus how he was just going to drink from that guy in front of Sookie. It was just a big warning from the beginning.

    But the main point now is exactly what you said SVB. Now with Sookie knowing what she does, it will make her look back and every action will look so different in her eyes with all that was revealed. If he was sent to acquire her by the Queen, then was that first moment they had really that special or was it just on her side. It will probably piss her off even more that Bill charmed her grandma in the very beginning, the fact that for his own benefits he used her grandma and faked her out in order to complete his mission. The list will just go on with everything he did or said to her, now everything comes into question. Even for people who are fans of his, can’t say for sure that he didn’t do all this simply for his mission. When you have huge secrets like this come out in your relationship, nothing seems real anymore not the actions or feelings of the other person.

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    *C.K. Reply:

    I started watching the show before I read the books. I did not even know that the show was based on a book series. When I first started watching True Blood I was a fan of Bill and Sookie. Eric was a minor character in the first season so I did not know how to percieve him. The more Eric was on that season the more I started to like him. The scene with Eric in the bathtub was very telling. He was listening to the old Swedish music and reminicsing on his human life. He says something like “It’s quite beautiful if you know Old Swedish.” There was a subtle hint of saddness in the scene and it was bizzar. Yes, there were little things that bothered me about Bill when I watched season one and began to read the books. Since I was a fan I just dismissed some of those things. It got to the point (when he ran off with Loreana on the books) that I could not ignore those little things anymore.

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  • hiddeneloise

    The. Ratts.

    That. Alone. Makes “Bill Is a Big Fucking Hero With Ice Cream Angel On Top” argument null and void.

    Committing occasional acts that are brave does not automatically make someone a hero. Ignoring motivation and worshipping the deeds alone makes for a moronic practice. People need to suspend all critical judgement and turn off any intelligence to consider Bill a hero of anything. That’s unfortunate and sad.

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  • Amy

    SVB,

    You need to understand that there is no use arguing with them. As Lkc once said, these people are a bunch of hypocrites who LOVE to call as Rabids and think it is clever to call Eric, Eyuck (Which shows their IQ levels). Have you ever been on BWW? Here are some Gems,

    “Bill has never once used Sookie or willingly put her in danger, in fact all he wants his a quiet normal [for want of a better word] with Sookie.
    What gets my goat is what happens after Bill nearly drains Sookie, not once did she mention that Bill was tortured and near death or that he saved her from Lorena. All Bill’s good intentions seem to be downplayed while everything bad is held against him ”

    How the hell did he save her from Lorena? And Bill was tortured for Sookie? News to me!

    “At some point it would be nice if Sookie would remember that, and realize that due to Bill’s place in vampire society he was forced to do the bidding of others, yet managed to protect her from QSA. And that’s it’s not just Bill, but Eric and Lorena and every other vampire in the hierarchy. Or is she just too stupid”

    So according to them, Bill is the knight in shining armor who saves her from all the bad vampires including Eric and she is too dumb to see that!

    “Sookie especially in season 3 just makes me want to bitchslap her sometimes, between her mood swings and her ability to not be able to see whats right in front of her both the bad (eric’s constant use of her and constantly putting her in danger ect) to the good (Bill’s obvious love for her and how her protection is his number 1 priority even if it means giving her up)”

    I do not even know what to say to this! There are no words!

    “She needs to open her eyes and really see all that Bill has done for her and forget about 30 flipping seconds on some G-D roof!”

    Again Speechless! I guess she just has to be blind to the ratrays beating the shit out of her.

    “I love the idea of a different side of him coming to light. A side who doesn’t take crap from people. I would love to know the Bill Lorena knew, at least a little. Now, I would love to see that guy, plus I think Sookie should see a little of him too. She needs to wake up! If she is going to ever be happy with him she needs to understand that the man has a pass and from time to time it will come calling”

    Except she could not see that side of him because he frigging HID IT FROM HER!!

    And this is what they have to say about us,

    “Man I’m sick of those b*tches. They use the same techniques as right wing Tea Party tw*ts who infest news sites like Huffington Post, coming up with bullsh*t arguements with no basis and deflecting discussions. They’re not fans, they’re peddling some kind of creepy ideology. And one can’t avoid them if you want to read spoilers. SIGH”

    I know not how they can say crap like this with a straight fault.

    So basically according to them, nothing is Bill’s fault, he is just a vampire ( Remember how Eric was called a rapist, because he tricked Sookie?)

    The comparison between Bill and Eric is quite simple. One does not have to dig deep or look for clues or have conspiracy theories. The thing is I accept that Eric is a douchebag a lot of times. He is manipulative, deceptive. Sookie knows this. She said as much to him ” I sure as hell cannot trust you” They both act as douchebags towards each other, both they both also help each other sometimes. With Eric, what you see is what you get. He may be an asshole, but atleast he is a straightforward asshole.

    Bill on the other hand is ten times as worse because he is a cheater, a liar and a hypocrite (just like his fans!). He pretends he is morally superior to others, blames all his troubles on others ( a coward) and lies all the damn time to Sookie. Yes he was ordered to do it by the Queen to seduce her, but the way he did it was upto him. He could have taken the time to charm her (since there was no urgency to the mission), but instead had her beaten. He is a vampire like everyone else, but acts as if he is mourning his humanity every other scene. Which is why most people hate him. Yes, he does love Sookie, but Franklin loved Tara too. Love does not make everything right!

    Also A lot more people love Franklin than Bill because Franklin maybe a villain like Bill but atleast he is a more entertaining and funny one. Bill is just plain boring with his blood tears and dramatic speeches.

    Sorry for the long comment, but those facebook comments pissed me off!

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    ilovevampires Reply:

    These quotes prove how BL’s are living in a dreamworld and are seeing only what they “want” to see. :roll: Thanks for bringing them over! :)

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    Ashley Reply:

    I resent being compared to a right wing member of the Tea party, but whatever.

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    Ashley Reply:

    Oh and I sat laughing for about 5 minutes at these BL comments btw. :)

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    Amy Reply:

    :) These are just some samples that I used. There are some much more worse. Every time they blame Sookie for not seeing the goodness in Bill or call her a Slut for kissing Eric or flirting with Alcide I wonder what era these women live in. They must be grannies or something!

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    Bobsgran Reply:

    As a grannie, I’d like to say, that not all of us think Bill is heroic.

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    Amy Reply:

    Sorry for insulting all grannies :)

    I guess it’s just that these women must belong to the medieval ages with their notions of how Sookie must behave!

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    LovetheViking Reply:

    It just sums it up really doesn’t it. Those Bill lovers have never ever read the books.

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    Bobsgran Reply:

    My guess would be too many Disney cartoons. Someday my prince will come, blah blah.

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    Viking Dame Reply:

    What is the BWW?

    And where on Facebook are these delusions occurring?

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    Ashley Reply:

    Bills Wikid Women…The Nest’s forum, I believe. I don’t think you want to veture there. It should have a “Abandon hope all ye who enter here” sign.

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    Ashley Reply:

    *venture, not veture. Duh

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    heart's desire Reply:

    :lol: :lol:

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    Mony Reply:

    The Nest *eyeroll*, now i got it LOL

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    Lividity Reply:

    The Nest does not run the BWW forum or the Simply Moyer site.

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    Serena Reply:

    Well isn’t that wonderful? :)

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    Katee Reply:

    But The Nest is affiliated with it, right? There is a link for BWW right on The Nest front page.

    Simply Moyer is run by the same people who run The Vault, I think. The Net is affiliated with stephen-moyer.net, I believe.

    Eh. I think whether The Nest officially runs BWW or not is just a semantics game, since they are clearly affiliated and many of The Nest mods and contributors are some of the most frequent posters. Even if they don’t officially “run” it, is very clearly the forum of choice for many who frequent that website.

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    KCScout Reply:

    There’s an adage about keeping bad company: “When you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.”

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    SVB Reply:

    The Nest does not run the BWW forum.

    No, The Nest don’t “run” the BWW forum. But the admins of the nest are the admins of BWW.

    Keeping a separate site, with a different name and URL is a very clever way to separate the place where you want to do your bashing from the place where you want to at least appear to be neutral…even when everyone can clearly see you’re anything but.

    But thanks for the spin :)

    I don’t believe anyone raised the other site you mention. It’s well known that they are connected to the Vault.

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    Amy Reply:

    Yes its Bill’s wikked women. It’s a gathering of Bill’s fans. They comment at other places like the nest, imdb, facebook and then go over to BWW and trash talk about Eric fans. They also twist our words and what we said, and make it seem like we are the worst human beings. and they call us nasty! You can check it out for fun like I do, just to see how delusional these guys are!

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    Ashley Reply:

    Yeah Im sure it’s good for a laugh. I myself don’t want to get too close…

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    karola Reply:

    Yeah I can’t really even check it out… People who don’t use their brains really frustrate me to the point I’m boiling inside and I can’t throw my laptop against the wall – it’s the only one I’ve got ;) ;)

    They’re just fanatics bending what they have in front of them to fit their vision of what is true.

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    Millarca Reply:

    I don’t go anywhere near those places. They are delusional people whose opinions I don’t care to read. Life’s too short to waste time there. I’d rather come here and hang out with all the witty, intelligent, insightful Sookieverse folk.

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    JustVampy Reply:

    Delusional fanfiction… No facts! They do the same with the book. ;)

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    hiddeneloise Reply:

    Yiks. BWW … Blind Women Walking? Bullshit Words Weekly? Bitter Whiny Wailers? All those comments are poorly worded, badly constructed, defy logic, and smack of bitterness. And I have to wonder at the mental status of the women who elevate abusive behavior to heroism. It’s scary, really.

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    KCScout Reply:

    @Amy, there’s a name for people who make statements like you’ve pasted, it’s “Billusional.”

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    LovetheViking Reply:

    Good one. Billusional I love it.

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    karola Reply:

    Yeah if she knew the Bill Lorena used to know she probably would end up dead with her blood soking into the mattress and smeared all over Bill and Lorena while they have sex. But I agree with her on one thing I also would love Sookie to see this side of Bill. I think seeing him get off off someones pain and fear as if he needed it to get it up, would very effectivly cure Sookie of her feelings for him.
    I’m not sure I make sense… English is not my first language…

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  • Serena

    I just knew you were feeling rant-y this morning. ;)

    But SVB, don’t you understand it is only a PERCEIVED BETRAYAL?!

    Yeah perceived by billions of viewers who aren’t enamored with His Billness to constantly make excuses for his behavior.

    Perceived by Sookie who will NEVER forgive him for his actions to the point of taking him back. Not to mention Bill LYING about his actions, how can she ever trust him again? Eyeroll.

    Oh and don’t forget that Bill and Sookie are SOULMATES, so ITS ALL GOOD.

    I don’t know, I guess some people just don’t understand irony even when it kicks them in the face. Or when Denise and Mack Rattray kick them in the face on Bill’s behalf.

    …. What? TOO SOON? :lol:

    PS: I ♥ your navel lint, SVB.

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    heart's desire Reply:

    @ “….What? TOO SOON?”

    Oh Serena, I can always count on your posts to have me ROTF!!! :lol:

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    Winnie Reply:

    You know reading these other comments has given me an idea for where the Bill denial comes from…as Amy put it Eric is much easier to deal with in that while he’s a bastard, (a magnificent bastard!) he’s completely upfront about it. Even the bullet sucking he admitted to right after the bullets came out. Whereas Bill seems intent on convincing everyone, (perhaps most especially himself,) that his intentions are pure and noble. This is why everyone on this site loves Eric and why we have so many Bill haters here; but for the rest of fandom the problem is the Billshit was portrayed a little too convincingly. (Far more convincingly than in the books in my humble opinion.) The thing is SM really is a good actor, (maybe not the revelation AS is but he’s got something all right,) and I think Ball wanted Bill’s charade to be convincing to make it more understandable how Sookie was so blind to the truth until the eventual reveal. Sort of a cautionary tale on the perils of believing in a Byronic romantic ideal. Sadly the appeal of the romantic Byronic ideal is such that it continues to sway people in our culture even after Ball drops the bombshell he was leading up to all along. (I blame Twilight myself.) The more you look at it the more it was obvious Ball was leading up to this all along-the S/B epic love feature always had moments of self parody-Sookie running barefoot through the graveyard in that white gown to be swept up in Bill’s arms was a classic example of it. There was Sookie’s talk with Gran about how some parts of her told her to stay away from Bill but other parts said no. Gran-”your heart?” Sookie-”Yeah…my…uh heart!” Very significant given what we now know about Sookie being fed Bill’s blood and what that meant. Being inexperienced it’s all too easy to understand how she would mistake that kind of pulsating lust for love. Note how Sookie’s first V induced dreams with Bill were entirely physical while the ones she had of Eric, (while also blisteringly hot,) actually had far, FAR more emotional depth and subtext. Then there was Sookie’s faux outrage over the bullet sucking with Eric. Some people thought, the unconvincing nature of her anger was because AP can’t act. Not so! By comparison look at her reaction to finding out that Eric had kept Lafayette a prisoner-genuine fury, outrage, and damn it was convincing! She was almost spitting out the words, “His name is Lafayette and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for what you’ve done to him!” No, the reason she comes across as melodramatic to the point of comedy with “I’ll never do anything for you again-Monster!” is because on some level Sookie’s not really scandalized at all. When watching that episode with my mother and we got to the part where Bill tells Sookie she could become attracted to Eric and she says, “that’s not possible!” my mom burst into more laughter. That wasn’t accidental on AB’s part; Sookie was into Bill and she’s genuinely appalled by Some of Eric’s more ruthless/vicious actions as the Sheriff but it was obvious that watching his concern for Godric and her at the FOTS affected her -and well *look* at him! There were always clues that Bill was up to no good; it seems so obvious in retrospect that AB was leading up to this for the last 3 seasons as a master plan but he may have been too subtle and ironic for all viewers to appreciate.

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    hime Reply:

    The more you look at it the more it was obvious Ball was leading up to this all along-the S/B epic love feature always had moments of self parody-Sookie running barefoot through the graveyard in that white gown to be swept up in Bill’s arms was a classic example of it.
    THIS. Self-parody. AB’s portrayal of B/S as a couple has always been kinda parodistic. The pompous love declaration, Sookie swept by Bill like the average romance damsel in distress, then ending in a super-clichéd love making beside the fireplace, and all those chit-chats “I love you so much – no I love you more-OMG you’re my miracle yadda yadda”. It’s a parody.

    Then there was Sookie’s faux outrage over the bullet sucking with Eric.
    She wasn’t angry at Eric. She didn’t even KNOW why she should have been angry at Eric at all, because all she knew was she had sucked some bullets from his chest, and, besides the erotic subtext of that gesture, she didn’t even know what the effects of vampire blood were. Bill had never told her, until that. She played angry just because she saw the scandalized-horrified-disgusted look on Bill’s face and she instinctively behaved in the only way she knew would be reassuring for Bill: yelling at Eric and pretending to hate him.

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    SVB Reply:

    Yeah, it’s funny how Eric tricked Sookie into drinking his blood – yet it’s never mentioned that had Bill been honest in the first place and TOLD her about the effects of vampire blood, she probably would’ve told Eric to take a hike.

    I’m OK with the bullet sucking scene mostly, but it still irks me that in the book Eric gave her a choice – he told her to get a knife and cut it out if she was squeamish. Sookie thought to herself that she couldn’t be bothered finding her pocket knife in the mayhem and made her own decision to suck the bullet out with her mouth.

    On the show Eric was all “suck it or I die” – combined with Bill not ever telling her what ingesting a vampires blood would involve so she just walked right into it – it feels more manipulative to me. Eh.

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    hime Reply:

    I won’t say it isn’t manipulative. But I can’t take Eric’s attempt at acting like he was dying seriously. Even Sookie must have sensed that it was a fake. In fact, she snorts and mutters “Son of a mother..”, like she was exasperated by Eric’s overacting. Lol.
    I also believe that Eric counted on Sookie’s ignorance, but he didn’t know that she was completely unaware of the blood’s effects. He smiled like he almost couldn’t believe it worked.
    Overall, I don’t get how the bullet sucking can be even compared to the way Bill managed to give his blood to Sookie for the first time. Eric saved her life and tricked her in a very childish manner; Bill let her be beaten almost to death, so she couldn’t refuse his blood.

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    SVB Reply:

    Oh there’s no comparison to her ingestion of buckets of Bill’s blood for sure. On the three occasions Sookie has had massive doses of Bill’s blood, she has been the one nearly dead (two out of three times by his hand). She had NO choice.

    Which worked out pretty well for Bill…for a while, anyway.

    Yet ERIC is manipulative, and Sookie only has feelings for ERIC because she swallowed a few drops of his blood.

    WHERE is the logic here? There isn’t any.

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    Ashley Reply:

    I find the bulletsucking more funny than anything….Eric and that big fangy grin! LOL…and Sookie’s “monster” act. It was so obvious that she was trying to show Bill just HOW upset she was by overactig. Pffft whatever Sookie.

    Plus, Eric DID save her life. I find it funny how people conveniently forget that. AND he didn’t let her get HURT TO THE POINT OF DEATH before he did it either.
    Get a sense of humor BLs. That shit was hilarious.

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    Millarca Reply:

    I think it was funny, too. I’m amazed how the fact Eric had just saved her life is overlooked. I actually think Eric was having a bit of fun and trying it on to see if he could get away with it, and was a bit surprised he did. I loved the fangy grin, and Sookie’s outraged reaction. I reckon the little minx enjoyed it! :D

    Has it actually been established that they were definitely not silver bullets?

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    MASpencer Reply:

    Whoa, do I agree with you there. Sookie’s disproportionate “disgust” for Eric– especially after the obvious tension between the two at the FOTS– was definitely a show put on for Bill’s benefit. The obvious tell? When she BALKED at the idea of being sexually attracted to Eric Northman.

    C’MON SOOKIE. YOU’RE NOT FOOLING ANYONE. :lol:

    You don’t have to LIKE someone to want to rip their clothes off. In fact, I think the love/hate, will they/won’t they nature of Eric and Sookie’s flirtation is what made it work so fucking well in the books. It’s a lot sexier than granny nightgowns and petticoat innuendo, that’s for sure.

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    Winnie Reply:

    Seriously, when Sookie put two and two together to figure out that Godric was Eric’s maker and how much Eric cared…the look on her face when Eric sat there bound and burned by silver, offering his life for her. That was a girl who was clearly contemplating climbing some Nordic peaks. And who could blame her?!? Eric was always a perfect physical specimen but until then his apparent lack of feeling just left Sookie cold. Once she realized there *was* depth there, poor girl couldn’t help but speculate. She said as much in that dream.

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    MASpencer Reply:

    TESTIFY! :lol:

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    Ashley Reply:

    Yeah Winnie, there’s a reason SO many people jumped ship from B/S to E/S after episode 2.08 and 2.09…that episode’s portrayal of Godric and Eric’s relationship, and the nature of the dream really affected people. And I believe that was ABs intention. I remember after it aired there were so many commments on blogs like “I used to be team Bill but I totally changed my mine after last night!” Not for nothing.

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    Ashley Reply:

    I 1000% agree with you about the bullet sucking and the dreams Winnie. They wouldn’t make the dreams so deliberately different for nothing. Sookie was lusting after Bill big time and that’s why the dreams were all about sex, and the Eric dreams clearly WERENT.

    Also, regarding the bullet sucking….I totally agree. It WASNT bad acting…as you said the Laffy dungeon and her reaction is a good comparison. She just wasn’t really mad, like she was in the Laffy scenario…it was all an act for Bill’s benefit. And she may have been trying to convince herself, but she wasn’t fooling me. It was obviously overdone on purpose.

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  • Reginabee

    Well, so far my favorite excuse has been that because he wasn’t IN LUV with her whe the Ratt’s beat her, it doesn’t count.

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    Ashley Reply:

    Yep. So it’s okay. If ERic had done that, you can bet you’d be all over that shit. But it’s okay for Bill cause he didn’t love her. Just conveniently forgetting about the fact that Bill lied to Sookie over and over again about basically EVERYTHING. *major eyeroll*

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    Serena Reply:

    I know Ash! The lying about the Ratts so does count.

    As does lying about the edict to her face every single time she asked him if there was something he wasn’t telling her, which he DID.

    Asking her to marry him while he held this secret? OMFG. He would have whisked her away and STILL not have told her. He would have entered into a legal arrangement under false pretenses. How disgusting. And he had so many opportunities to tell her the truth and chose not to. :x

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    Ashley Reply:

    Yep. How convenient that the tickets were for that weekend, when Bill knew he was about to probably about to be outed by Eric and that Eric was very close to knowing his secret. He had to get her married before she found out anything. Man up asshole!!!…”Why don’t you tell Sookie the fucking truth, if you really love her!!!” (one of my favorite Eric lines)

    By not tellig her the truth, Sookie isn’t loving the REAL Bill. She’ loving the version that Bill was presenting, a Bill that didn’t really exist.

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    Reginabee Reply:

    LOL! Or even better: if Eric had been the one in the back of the truck sucking her dry…OMG I cannot even imagine the fallout from THAT. *horrors*

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    heart's desire Reply:

    Or if Eric tried to kill Jessica. O.O

    What cracks me up is how some aren’t even willing to consider the POSSIBILITY that it was anything but true love in spite of everything we know, even in S1. It’s not even possible that he might have been falling for her but had dual motives for protecting her. Oh no, everything Bill does has to be because of his incredible love and selfless devotion to Sookie. Even if I didn’t know about Bill’s mission or the Rattrays or that this is True Blood & Alan Ball FFS, I’d be rolling my eyes. :lol: (And this is coming from the same people that claim to love his dark side & complexity.) Okaaay.

    Compare that to most Eric fans. Eric did sacrifice himself having no idea that Sookie would save him, yet we don’t think that proves he loves her or that saving Sookie was his only motivation. Just because TB has fairies in it, doesn’t make it a fairy tale. LOL!

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  • Krtmd

    Or that since Anna and Stephen are together in real life, that AB should change the whole f’ing storyline to accommodate their being “soul mates”. So let’s just dismiss the bestselling series of books on which the show is based in order to fit what some fans want to see? Until AB removes the smoky lips with “based on the books by Charlaine Harris” from the show’s opening credits, the show is friggin’ based on those books. Period. And I’m quoting here… ” the books work”!

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    Krtmd Reply:

    And , btw, Amen to all you said SVB, as usual. :-)

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    Reginabee Reply:

    Am I the only one who saw the poker go up AP’s ass when Ball called them soulmates on stage at the PaleyFest?

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    AlcideGirl Reply:

    No! I totally caught that too. Trouble in paradise maybe?

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  • SVB, I have missed your rants soooo much!! :D While I’m sad to see you had the “need” to write them…on the other hand, I’m glad that you posted this! WORD! If only the BL’s could read and understand English…then we’d be all set! ;)

    Thanks for another great post!

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  • Psssst! We all love a man in a uniform BUT the navy does not provide accommodations for belly button lint – that is up to the individual navel.
    Even if AS tempts us to investigate his crisply ironed naval uniform, lint storage is a civilian matter.

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  • Lyta

    I love your rants, bring more!
    the few fans remaining Bill, will not change his mind about his “tragic hero”, will continue to ignore the evidence and the fact that AB was there and did his hero even worse than in books (while CH is accused of not “understand” Beel). The funny thing is they say that Bill now goes to the path of redemption … but says he did nothing wrong?!?

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  • Kirsten

    Mmmm, morning Bill rants.

    I have to wonder if ANYONE’S mind was changed by the Rattray reveal. I mean, I knew that there would be die-hards, those delightfully delusional people who could be put on a front row seat on the space shuttle, given a tennis ball for comparison purposes and STILL declare the Earth was flat, but I thought surely at least some of them would come to their senses given such solid evidence, backed up by Bill’s own words even. It’s kind of scary really to think that an entire season of tearing down Bill’s carefully constructed persona wouldn’t even budge these people.

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    Ashley Reply:

    I think some did give up, because the Nest people were bitchig about “fair weather” Bill fans after the finale. So that means they had deserters. Good for the ones that did.

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    Reginabee Reply:

    Well *I* was shocked at the finale. I don’t mind admitting it. I never thought they would go there with the whole Bill/Rattrays deal. But it’s done now: the cherry has been popped and there is no use in making excuses about it.

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    karola Reply:

    Because it wasn’t really Beel it was just AB throwing Bill under the bus. Just as CH thrown him under the bus in her books. The real Bill would never let Ratt’s Beat Sookie up because he loves her and only want to protect her but neither AB nor CH understand the real Bill ;) ;) ;)
    Wow I think I in my sarcasm mode I actually channeled one of BL ;D

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    Amy Reply:

    OMG! This is so perfect. This is exactly how most of the BL’s talk. CH never understood Bill, AB betrayed Bill. Bill is the best and only romantic hero on the show. Bill is working undercover for the AVL, hence he lied to Sookie to protect her. He is working secretly with Claudine and planned the whole thing and admitted to the Ratts beating so she would run to Claudine and be safe. Bill cannot let Eric stay with Sookie as he may drain her dry since he can’t control himself like Bill can. So Bill will protect Sookie in S4. The stupidity is endless. I never imagined anything so bad.

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    Freyja Reply:

    LOL that was scary karola :D

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  • Freyja

    Thanks for an awesome rant SVB, you should do more :D

    I’ve said it before, people don’t have to stop liking Bill’s character on TB or turn into an Eric lover, but they do have to look at the facts. Bill is no hero, he has a very unhealty love for Sookie (and her blood). Most of his ‘heroics’ were done in season 1 (when he wasn’t even in love with the girl) and there was a calculative reason behind them all, like someone above said.
    I love Eric on TB and the books, but if something like this ever would surface with him, I would not forgive Eric. I can’t forgive acts like these, and I know of some BL’s who couldn’t either and walked out of shipping Bill with Sookie.

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    KCScout Reply:

    Exactly, Freya! I love me some Eric but if we were to find out that *he* betrayed Sookie or intentionally caused her to be harmed, he would join Bill in the pages of Sookie history. But, I don’t think that’s going to happen in the books;), and I hope AB doesn’t go there and keeps true to the “spirit” of the books as he’s claimed he will do.

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  • VikingLover

    Ah, I love me some rantin’! lol I was so cranky this morning and this rant made it all better. Thanks! :P

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    Reginabee Reply:

    Same here. I was in an ill mood this morning. Up to my ass in alligators today and don’t feel like dealing with whiney students who don’t know the meaning of the word “deadline”. I feel so much better now!

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  • Margaux

    You are awesome SVB! I needed a good rant this morning, and you delivered, bravo.
    I went back to the Nest and looked at some of the BL’s comments on why she should forgive him and they made my skin crawl. More over, they went on about she shouldn’t trust Eric because he lied about the bullet sucking. But lets for get the fact that Bill lied about letting her almost get beat to death!! AAHHHH!! It’s so irritating, how people can be so blind. I really don’t understand how people can continue to defend him. You don’t have to be Team Eric, hell you can be Team Terry to see that Bill has done nothing but lie and manipulate her.
    Probably shouldn’t go on those sites anymore, they just work me up :)

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    Margaux Reply:

    I think it would be helpful if BL’s went back and watched TB from the beginning, knowing what Bill’s true mission was. Gives a whole new meaning to his “humanity”

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    rainqueen13 Reply:

    I agree, Margaux. I’ve been talking to someone at work who hasn’t read the books and hasn’t quite assimilated the full impact of S3 reveals. She is wondering why I hate Bill so very very much. I was just telling her to rewatch S1 and she will see all of Bill’s statements and actions from a completely different perspective. She is going to have to replace her first (second, third) impressions with new ones, and I think a rewatch will do that quite effectively. She’s a bright gal, I have no doubt that she’ll come around!

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  • znb

    i loooove ur rants svb!!! and i just want to say HELL YEAH to everything u said!!

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  • MASpencer

    Count me squarely in the “fangs for earrings” camp. :lol:

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    Dazedrose Reply:

    Can I get mine set in white gold??? I’m really not one for yellow gold

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  • allabouteric

    Epic rant SVB…one for the ages!
    You know what bugs me even more than the fact that Bill allowed the Ratt’s beating to happen? It seems as though he got off on it! He waited till the very end, by when Sookie had her life very nearly beaten out of her, before intervening to help. The same with the Malcolm trio. The creepy vibe from Bill was unmistakable even then!
    And the thing that gets my goat to no end is that Bill is always ready to blame Eric’s blood for Sookie’s “attraction” toward him (Eric). By the same extension it should cast the entire 6 week B/S relationship under a very suspicious light. Why would BLs conveniently ignore the fact that both Bill and Sookie were under the influence of each other’s blood and any emotion they felt was severely tainted by the influence of the blood. Why is his love suddenly “pure”? This is especially moronic in light of the fact that not only did Bill have an ulterior agenda, he was also under the influence…so to speak! Contrast this with Eric who waited 3 seasons before tasting Sookie’s blood. We were literally clobbered on the head with this fact!

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  • Kathy

    Great rant SVB. There’s really nothing left to say! I can’t go to the BL sites, my brain starts twisting in knots trying to find some logic in their arguments and my blood pressure soars. Thanks for putting down what we all feel!

    PS: Their using the bullet sucking scene is so ludicrous. He didn’t deny it when Bill revealed it. HOWEVER, Bill never mentioned how his enormous amounts of blood would make her feel about HIM, even when he had the opportunity when he tattled on Eric. Grrrrrrrrrr.

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    Viking Dame Reply:

    I am reminded again of something Gerry Weaver said in one of her S3 episode reviews. Something about how Eric’s hiding of his better nature would likely play out much better than Bill’s hiding of his darker nature.

    Bill lied about his reasons for seeking out Sookie, he lied about the Ratts, he lied about the effects of vampire blood when it was only HIS blood in question. And by my count, there have been at least two occasions in the two months since she met him that Sookie has had large quantities of Bill’s blood. The first was after the Rattray attack and then in the hospital after he had DRAINED HER (still unfathomable that the BLs gloss over that). There was also the blood donation after the maenad attack. But hey, the few drops she ingested sucking out a couple of bullets far outweighs all that I guess. Gimme a break! *eyeroll* That’s a minimum of three times that she’s consumed large amounts of Bill’s blood in a two month period; blood that by Bill’s own account causes attraction to the vampire “donor.” Yeah, Bill didn’t benefit from that. Not at all. And I have a bridge in Arizona I’d like to sell these twits.

    As for the lying, hmmm let’s see. Eric lied about the bullet sucking but fessed up when called out and he wasn’t even bothered about being called out b/c he’s man enough to take the truth. He lied about knowing more about the werewolf (runic) tatoo but he voluntarily turned himself in to Sookie about that and told the truth – not b/c anyone MADE him but b/c it was better and safer for Sookie to know. That’s something that Bill, for all his grandiose declarations of love, has NEVER done. He has NEVER told Sookie the truth b/c it would be better for her to know. Quite the opposite, he has kept the truth from her b/c it was better FOR HIM.

    But yeah, it’s totally Sookie’s fault that he has to lie over and over and over again. Just like it’s Eric’s fault that Bill’s life with Sookie is in the shitter now. B/c God forbid that saint Bill of the Lost Humanuteh should bear any accountability for his own choices and actions. Why, that would just be too much.

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    rainqueen13 Reply:

    @VL, it bothered me a little bit that Eric lied about the werewolves. He ‘fessed up quickly, but he had to tell Sookie that he lied to her. I remember in one of the books he told her he had never lied to her, he might not tell her everything he knew but what he did tell her was the truth. TB Eric can never say that. It’s just a little difference that bothered me in AB’s version, but I suppose it is part of making Eric darker than in the books. He’s not a saint, but he still looks like one when compared to Bill.

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    Ashley Reply:

    Yes, but it was much later on in the books that Eric said that. Eric is much, much more conflicted about his feelings for Sookie now on the show than he was at that point in the books. He said that when they were already in a relationship. So it’s very different, ykwim?

    But still, Eric’s little confessions right after those two time are VERY different from the long term lies and coverups Bill had going on.

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    Viking Dame Reply:

    It also has to be noted that Eric is not Sookie’s boyfriend/fiance. He doesn’t owe Sookie anything at this point really. And yet he still helps her out even though he has no reason to, certainly he is under no edict to do so. And he still comes clean with the truth for the simple reason that he “owes” Sookie and that alone is reason enough for him.

    But apparently all the miraculous love that Bill feels for Sookie is not enough for him to voluntarily come clean with her. He has to be dragged kicking and screaming.

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    rainqueen13 Reply:

    And I totally thought he wanted to say something other than “owe” on the porch. He wasn’t sure what he was feeling, but it was disturbingly more than “I…….owe you”!!!

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    Viking Dame Reply:

    Oh absolutely! Eric is having [i]feelings[/i] feelings for Sookie but he can’t admit it yet, not to himself and certainly not to Sookie so he quickly covers with the whole “I owe you” bit. But the fact is that it’s precisely these new found feelings for Sookie that prompt Eric to come clean with her and tell her the truth. Whereas all the love in the world couldn’t move Bill to do the same.

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    Ashley Reply:

    yep. Bill couldn’t tell Sookie because he didn’t want to face the consequeces. Eric had very new feelings for Sookie and yet could tell her about the werewolves.

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  • JustVampy

    *books*

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  • Kitsunegari

    @ Amy

    You made me laugh so damn hard at the B/L who made the comment “I would love to know the Bill Lorena knew, at least a little.”

    Selective memory much?? We HAVE seen and known the Bill that Lorena knew. He was the one who wanted to kill his human wife because she was horrified at his transformation. He was the one who was rolling about and f*cking Lorena in the pooled blood of his victims, one his whom was still gasping her final breaths right next to them. THAT is the Bill that Lorena knew, and it is still who is he now, underneath it all. The grotesque sex scene amongst the debris with Sookie after RE’s weres attacked and she battled Debbie Pelt was almost a mirror of the sex he had with Lorena after killing the couple in the 1920′s. All that was missing was a female corpse, and that was only because future storylines required Debbie to survive the encounter.

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  • tbrants

    A-fricking-men to every point you raised.

    Great rant!

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  • EricMyLover

    So true.

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  • Winnie

    Also for the record, SM himself is a LOT more aware of Bill’s dark side than Bill’s female fans contingent. In *that* infamous scene in Hard Hearted Hannah, SM was actually arguing for them to go even farther than Bill banging Lorena in that poor woman’s blood…he argued for having Bill *rape* that woman before finishing her off. AB put the nix on that, (he wasn’t ready to show how horrifying Bill could be all at once like that,) but fact is Moyer has no trouble accepting his character can be truly evil. (His *character* mind you; it’s perfectly possible and in fact seems likely that the real Steve’s a great guy and he and Anna a wonderful couple but in real life he and Skars are buddies too so can fans stop assuming the actors lives have any relevance on the personalities they portray please PLEASE?!?) It’s Bill fans who have trouble seeing Bill as bad not the people behind the show. Hell, I wonder if the reason the trunk scene didn’t feature the rape of Sookie was less because it would have made Bill seem too unsympathetic, (again you can always argue he wasn’t himself at the time and while whatever he did in the trunk is an argument for Bill being dangerous it wouldn’t make him the bad guy,) so much as the producers didn’t want to have to subject the female lead to being raped by the love of her life. They didn’t wanna go down the route of Sookie being so badly victimized and put into PTSD like that, (it would certainly make it a LOT harder to give AP any other sex scenes after that for a while,)-so they had it happen to Tara instead. But I don’t think they were trying to soften Bill or else they never would have done the head twist on Lorena or the gang biting of poor Destiny.

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    allabouteric Reply:

    @Winnie…TOTALLY agree. I too think that SM understands Bill rather well. I was in fact surprised and heartened to hear him acknowledge that the head-twisting scene was rape. He did not mince words. I admit that I have had my doubts about whether SM really saw the Bill/Sookie relationship for the dysfunctional shit that it was. I have at times believed that he too bought into the sugary love-story delusions that the BLs have been under. But I think that he does deserve more credit than that. I have loved his portrayal of Bill (and even think that SM is quite handsome…who cares if he is in his 40s…he is a VERY good looking 40-odd year old man!!) I can never read AP too well. She does have an eternally pissed off look about her. So I am a little more ambivalent about her.
    And I also totally agree about your reasoning as to why the show writers did not portray the truck rape-scene…

    Great post!

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    sheldon Reply:

    More telling, Winnie, is that I have not read a word from the BL’s addressing this little clarification from SM at Payleyfest. All of the ranting and raving and tantrums on various BL blogs that he didn’t rape her, she wanted it etc etc….and not one of them from what I have read, have acknowledged that this is indeed what happened at the end of 3.03. They aren’t willing to challenge their perception of Bill even when the truth of the character’s actions have been stated.

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    bloodboundnorse Reply:

    I don’t see how that was rape between Lorena and Bill. It was BRUTAL, sado- masochistic sex, but not rape!
    I am not a defender of Bill, but Lorena was not protesting against Bill–she was laughing and smiling even during the head twisting. It was just rough sex, Marquis de Sade style. He only had sex w Lorena and cheated on Sookie for no damn good reason other than because he was mad at Lorena for having the upper hand. It still shows him to be a piece of shit in a childish, vindictive kind of way.

    Besides, she could have overpowered him at any moment. The second he was twisting her fucking neck or didn’t enjoy what he was doing. It just irks me because it was consensual sex and not rape. Please tell me how it was rape. I don’t see it.

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    Ashley Reply:

    She wasn’t laughing and smiling during the sex…her face was scrunched up in pain. She smiled after the sex, but not during. She was clearly in pain, blood was pouring out of her mouth.

    I think what SM meant was that he had every intention of raping Lorena…he wanted to cause her pain, he wanted to make her suffer, and he wanted to be in control. That’s what rape is about right?

    The intent alone makes it rape–the disturbing violence and desire to gain control through causing another pain. If Lorena wasn’t older than Bill, no one would be arguing…everyone would agree that it’s rape. But to, just because Lorena was sick enough to let it happen does not take away the malicious and sadistic intent.

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    Lyta Reply:

    I agree, perfectly explained Ashley, the intention was to dominate and humiliate her, which is how many men use rape, as a punishment, just because Lorena is psychotic or whatever! does not change the fact.

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    bloodboundnorse Reply:

    Yes of course, vampires are malicious and sadistic in nature. I see the malicious intent, but the what if Lorena wasn’t stronger argument doesn’t apply to the context of this fantasy. This is not about real life humans and fyi, there are other kinds of dominating sex that both men and women like hence the reference to Marquis de Sade-its the closest thing to compare the sex they had as vampires together. Because she is older and more powerful than Bill, she had the power stop it if she didn’t agree with his intentions. He was frustrated and angry. So of course being a vampire he is going to do the worst. She pushed buttons from the beginning and liked to see his reaction.

    Yes I agree the intention was there when you come in to the scene with him attempting to do his worst like ripping her clothes off and spreading her legs, then the neck. Do you leave the scene thinking of him raping her? I think not,because she got what she wanted. Fact is, she says make love to me Bill and I still love you William. Not at one point did she say no, declining his advances in any way. That’s also part of rape, saying no, right? In this case, she wanted him even though he loved Sookie. When she smiles at the end of the head twist then later, after Bill has talked to Sookie, she says its the best sex she’s had, you don’t go out of the scene feeling like it was rape. On the contrary, it felt like she was a conniving bitch who is in “love.” It looked like she was in control when she smiled because she had him no matter what.

    That’s what I think of that scene. I’m not saying rape is right or men aren’t assholes sometimes(which is stupid that I even have to write this sentence to clarify.) I am talking about this scene between 2 vampires from a fantasy tv show and how I interpret it.

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    booksookie Reply:

    I think you might be mistaking… I wanted to point to you, a largely spread notion according to which females can’t really commit rape against male adults, because it’s unlikely for them to overpower their victims. Which is FALSE because unfortunately it HAPPENS. I made this example to demonstrate that rape can actually occur although the perpetrator is physically inferior to his / her victim.
    Furthermore, you must consider the type of relationship between the rapist and the injured party. There are cases in which consent is NOT relevant, because it can be stipulated that the nature of the rapport is such that the victim can be easily manipulated, seduced or otherwise controlled by the ascendence that the perpetrator has over his victim or the victim simply isn’t aware that what happens is wrong and there are alternatives to that. That’s how come professionals like doctors or psychologists are forbidden to have relationships with their clients, how come sexual harassment or statutory rape are punishable by law and so is incest! Also pertinent to this case is addressing DOMESTIC RAPE & VIOLENCE. May I remind you how difficult it is sometimes for victims to fully comprehend, rebel and press charges?
    Lorena is precisely in this situation: she was an enclosed order nun before being turned and used by her maker (her PARENT in the vampire universe) as bait to attract men. That’s the definition of being ABUSED and of the CYCLE OF VIOLENCE (the abused-abuser theory). Her consent in the situation at hand is irrelevant, because she is not aware how dysfunctional her relationships were and that makes her easily manipulated by Bill who, in fact, has already done so in the past.
    Ashley was perfectly right: what makes this rape is the understanding that the PERPETRATOR (Bill) has of the event, his malignant intention and the fact that his behavior is, by all means, abuseful, violent and acted in a sexual manner / context.

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    Ashley Reply:

    I see what you are saying, but don’t agree that Lorena was in control.

    Bill CHOSE to take out his anger on Lorena in that way. He could have punched her in the face, which he did also later, or tried to attack her, but he CHOSE sex. She didn’t order or coerce him into sex….she has no power over him as a maker any longer, and she didn’t force him to have sex with her, even though she’s stronger.

    If Lorena HAD screamed for Bill to stop, he WOULDNT have. He wanted her to react that way…he wanted her to be the victim. Just because she didn’t doesn’t change what he was trying to do, and what he intended to do. (I don’t remember her smiling during the sex at all, just grimacing towards the end and telling Bill she loved him. It wasn’t a smile)

    Lorena may not have viewed it as a rape, and was sick enough to enjoy it, but BILL set out to rape her. He did. There is no doubt in my mind. He wanted to cause her pain.

    And I don’t agree that vampires are sadistic by nature at all. I think that varies from vampire to vampire. Look at vampires like Eddie. Actually, I wouldn’t call MOST of the vampires we’ve seen on the show sadistic. Vamps like Malcolm, Liam, and Diane are the exception to me.

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    Ashley Reply:

    So in other words, Bill wanted to rape her. And that’s probably what SM was referring to. Whether he was successful or not is up for debate. But the fact that the intent was there is disturbing enough IMO. And maybe that’s why SM called it rape.

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  • Before the S3 finale, I was apprehensive about going to pro-Bill sites. Now I’m downright adamant I don’t want to see the crap they spout. I know how in love with Bill they are, I don’t need to read about them hating on Sookie to prove anything to myself.

    I’ll stick with outrage by proxy on this site thankyouverymuch. At this point in the series, a list about Bill’s good deeds is about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike. It doesn’t change anything because there’s visual and aural evidence to counteract every single point they make now. Putting a positive spin on Bill is like trying to put a positive spin on Hitler – yeah he may have done some good things but the bad far, FAR, outweighs any good he may have accomplished.

    Ignoring the evidence in front of them makes the ardent Bill Lovers delusional rabids. DRBL’s (delusional rabid Bill lover’s) should be politely ignored and left to implode as S4 reveals more of Bill’s nasty deeds. I’d like to see exactly how many excuses they can come up with, but I’ll wait for another rant from you SVB :)

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    allabouteric Reply:

    “DRBL’s (delusional rabid Bill lover’s) should be politely ignored and left to implode as S4 reveals more of Bill’s nasty deeds.”

    I SO fervently pray and hope that more of Bill’s dastardly deeds come to light in S4. It is my fondest wish to see Bill become a full-on villain. Not because that takes him out of the running as Sookie’s potential HEA (I think that ship has sailed even on the show), but because SM plays an evil Bill superbly and I think that I would totally enjoy a darker-than-the-night Bill Compton!
    And it totally does not hurt that the BLs will be stewing in their own impotent rage…tee-hee… :D

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  • Kitsunegari

    I hadn’t heard that SM has said that the Twisty Head scene was rape. Thanks for that tidbit. I always felt that it was and was quite disturbed by the BL’s who raved about how ‘hot’ it was. Bill’s howl of frustration and rage only happened (IIRC) after Lorena declared her love for him and struck me more as a man who was screaming out loud because his desire to hurt, dominate and humiliate had been thwarted by Lorena apparently enjoying and being consensual to the act, not because he was devastated about having had sex behind his beloved Suckeeh’s back.

    FWIW as much as I adore Alexander Skarsgård’s portrayal of Eric and appreciate the subtle Book-Eric nuances and understanding that he brings to the character kudos must also be given to Stephen Moyer. I didn’t find him that interesting as an actor at first but as S3 progressed and hints about Bill’s true nature started to (more obviously) emerge he has shot right up in my estimation. I may hate Bill with greater passion than is perhaps healthy (considering he is a fictional character) but I do have a great deal of respect for SM as an actor.

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    Ashley Reply:

    Yep. SM called the twisty head sex rape at Paley. We have video evidence, LOL, just in case anyone wants to challenge that.

    Bill is prone to violence and rage when provoked. WE’ve seen that many times now, and this is just one example.

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    Winnie Reply:

    Oooh, Kitsunegari, I LOVE your interpretation of Bill’s howl there. He wasn’t upset that he just betrayed Sookie but that his attempt to degrade Lorena completely backfired. And yeah, Moyer called it a rape scene-he’s under no illusions about who Bill is though, he clearly enjoys the part. In fact he almost seems to enjoy the part more when he’s playing Bill in the bad guy role. As you noted his acting got a lot more lively in Season 3. And another of Bill’s evil actions was his attempt to have Pam assasinated which doesn’t get nearly enough attention. What the hell?!? I mean Pam was no immediate threat to Sookie by ANY definition. She’s not obsessed with her, she hadn’t tasted her, she’s the one who taught Jessica self-control (a vital responsibility on a maker’s part that Bill COMPLETELY neglected to do with horrific results) and while I wouldn’t call Pam, a friend of Sookie’s exactly, (though I sometimes think she kinda likes her and not just in a lesbian way,) Pam clearly sees how valuable Sookie is because of her telepathy. Much more valuable alive then dead. No the dangers to Sookie that Pam would attack her seem small indeed…the dangers to Bill though, that Pam might reveal some unsavory details about him to Sookie though, seem pretty good. Even Eric hadn’t told Pam, that Bill was sent to procure Sookie, (which Pam being awesome could likely figure out at some point anyway,) there might be other dirt she could have unearthed too. SOMETHING happened in the old days with Eric and Bill. I’m sure of it. And I’ll bet Pam knows the WHOLE story…I *really* want that flashback. And I really want Tara/Pam. Can’t June get here any faster?!? Damn it!

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    Ashley Reply:

    That’s how I always interpreted Bill’s howl after screwing Lorena, because he only screamed after she said “I still love you”. That’s when he realized he couldn’t hurt her like he wanted, and that’s what set him off. He wanted to make her suffer and cause her pain.

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  • ericandsookfan25

    BRAVO SVB! I love your rants. You put things in prospective. The #1 thing i cannot stand about BL is when they say that the only reason why we like Eric is because he gets Amnesia and Amnesia Eric is not the real Eric. Let me be the first to admit. I didn’t start reading the books until the end season II and I fell in love with Eric at the beginning of Season II. When Eric gets Amneisa it’s kind of like taking off your makeup. He’s stripped down to the very essence of himself. He’s not the Eric after years of being a Vampire. He’s not even adult Viking Warrior Eric. He’s kind of like a child that needs to be protected. I like the fact that Sookie doesn’t tell him when he’s cured. I like the fact that he remembers by himself later on in the books.

    As for Bill, After watching Season I and Season II, you can see the deception as clear as day. I mean I’m not the only one who sees it, right? Even in the books he was kind of a grimey character. The way he came off in the books was just like an ASSHOLE! I mean I wanted to punch him in the face a few times!

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    Ashley Reply:

    OH, I dare them to say that Eric somehow magically turns into someone else when he has amnesia. :)

    If supposedly ERic turns into some good guy that isn’t himself at all because of the amnesia, then it stands to reason that a good person could turn into someone else completely with amnesia too, ie. an evil serial killer or something. I call BULLSHIT.

    You DONT become someone else when you have amnesia… your soul/psyche and your mind don’t change, AT ALL. Who you are, at your core, is innate. It’s part of you. It DOESNT matter if you remember who you are or what happened to you. It’s there. You lose your baggage, and in ERic’s case his years of walls and hardness that have been built up. You DO NOT change into a different person. You are who you are, whether you remember or not.

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    Winnie Reply:

    Great point Ashley, about how amnesia couldn’t turn Eric into someone else entirely and in fact, (in the book at least,) it clearly didn’t. He was EXTREMELY vulnerable, and understandably terrified, with a certain innocence but there were aspects of his personality that were quite recognizable. Sookie notes how Eric can’t hide his pleasure when he hears about his reputation for being a stud, and how he looks up at her differently at that moment. Ergo, Eric’s overactive libido and particular attraction to Sookie are things that come naturally to him. AE’s age shows a bit when he criticizes Jason for not supporting Sookie so she won’t have to work. She describes the way he talks about their future, (Sookie reigning as queen with all his vampire servants swearing loyalty to her and never more having to demean herself waiting tables,) like an ancient chieftain, (aka Viking King,) doling out gifts. AE is merely verbalizing things, that RE can’t admit he wants. (Especially not to himself.) We KNOW Eric has feelings, we KNOW he misses elements of humanity, (hence his fantasizing about Sookie smelling his memories,) he just can’t say it out loud. As terrifying and traumatizing an experience as the amnesia will be for Eric, (he probably would prefer death to vulnerability,) it also might be liberating for him. He *won’t* have to play at being his Iciness or King of Vicious for a change. No having to proclaim all the time, “I don’t have any love for humans,” whenever anyone raises the topic of Sookie. He can *let* himself love Sookie. And he can let Sookie be the one to get on top just like his dream.

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    Viking Dame Reply:

    I do love this post. So spot on.

    Oh, and I love the King of Vicious title. LOL. That needs to be on a t-shirt.

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    *C.K. Reply:

    Winnie your absolutly right. In the books Sookie even says that maybe AE is a part of the real Eric. Eric was a king and a Viking warrior so he had to be guarded. Eric never even told Pam about his family because he did not want to seem “weak”. He got all defensive and said “I am not weak”. Pam does not see him like that at all. That scene was beautiful between Eric and Pam. When Eric does regain his memory in the books, he is shocked at first by the depths of his feels but then accepts it.

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  • Mikas14

    I’m with you all the way.
    I can’t figure out why there’s still people who defend Bill and say he’s the love of her life… i just don’t understand it!

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    Ashley Reply:

    That “love of her life” doesn’t even make sense….she’s only ever had the one boyfriend. So she can’t know if he’s the love of her life yet.

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    heart's desire Reply:

    Come on Ash – isn’t every girl’s first 6-week long relationship the “love of her life”? Bahahaha! For most of us, those types of relationships are long forgotten – but what will make her relationship with Bill memorable are the massive betrayals and Sookie’s near death experiences. Somehow, I think those will be the things that stick with her when she remembers her first BF, not that he was the love of her life.

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  • rainqueen13

    Terrific rant!!! SVB rant and morning coffee–what a way to start a Monday, a new day, a new spring season. Thanks!

    And thank you to the brave souls who venture into the trenches of the BL sites, where I fear to tread, and report back. You deserve some sort of commendation for bravery. Salute!

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  • VampLilly

    Excellent rant! I’m sick of the BL’s “LIST” defending Beeel.

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  • LovetheViking

    SVB fantastic rant. It is spot on.

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  • JustVampy

    “Bill may have gone to Bon Temps to ‘keep tabs’ on Sookie for the queen, but that doesnt change the fact that he fell in love with her. As someone said in a previous post, Bill regrets having lost his human life and I think it would be fitting for something to happen at the end of the series to bring him and Sookie together. Whether … that the silver poisoning has an effect on his mortality, or the fae are able to alter either him or Sookie, or they stay as they are and Bill stays with Sookie and helps her raise Hunter. There are so many possibilities! Of couse I like the ones that end with her and Bill together.”

    O.K… The above is part of the current insanity going on, on the Amazon boards.. The *Hot Topic* now~ CH *saving* dead-dead Bill by rewriting her mythology just for him, in the event she ever actually killed him.

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    SVB Reply:

    Edited to remove names ;)

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    rainqueen13 Reply:

    One reason I love this site is that posts like the one you quoted appear only to ridicule and dissect as studies in pathological fan behavior. What unbelievable rubbish.

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    Freyja Reply:

    Bill loves being a vampire in the books, I haven’t seen him regret his human life being taken away. Maybe at first he did of course but I haven’t seen him being uncomfortable with being a vampire at all. They are confusing BookBill with TB Bill again.
    And I understand it they want CH to change the mythology or biology of vampires in the books so Sookie and Bill can stay together?

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    Mony Reply:

    This is PRICELESS!!! LOL LOL LOL
    Poor CH if only she could tell them the truth xD

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    SVB Reply:

    Wow, this is just a classic example of how fans perception of TB Bill bleeds into what they see in the books.

    Book Bill LIKED being a vampire. He TOLD Sookie this, and his actions were never incongruous with this statement. Book Bill was a moody fellow, but this tortured, angsty, guilt-ridden Bill is PURELY the work of Alan Ball.

    Book Bill helping Sookie raise Hunter? Oh yes, I can see THAT happening. :lol:

    And here I thought Book Eric and Sookie raising Hunter was ridiculous…but Book Bill? Okaaaay then.

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    KCScout Reply:

    I never thought Book Bill hated being a vampire but I do think he hated being a “young” vampire and how that made him less powerful, relatively, in his community than he would have been in his human life. I think Sookie made him feel powerful because she sees him as powerful, and he easily asserts his dominion over her (for a while at least), and that was definitely part of his attraction to her. All supposition of course, but isn’t that part of the fun?

    btw: Ms. Harris shot down the BL’s theory that AE isn’t the *real* Eric yesterday on her website and that makes me :)

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    Lyta Reply:

    KC you can not reproduce what CH said? please, please!

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    *C.K. Reply:

    Where did you find her talk about AE on her website?

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    Janofarc Reply:

    Any links to that KC? Not that it matters for the TBDRBL’s because “THE SHOW ISN’T THE BOOKS” or are they regretting that fact now rather than using it as the go to line when people said B/S wouldn’t be together forever?

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    rainqueen13 Reply:

    Where on her website would I look for that? What did she say?

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    Freyja Reply:

    Check on the svb forum. It’s in the book thread under ‘Eric Northman’

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    Janofarc Reply:

    Thanks for that Freyja.

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    rainqueen13 Reply:

    Thanks!

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    SVB Reply:

    Her comments were interesting – DTTW has been out since 2004 and she’s never been as forthright about AE as she was yesterday. I wonder whether all the talk about him having a personality transplant in S4 was getting to her.

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    Ashley Reply:

    If I were her it would get to me. It’s kinda ridiculous. It’s common sense that amnesia doesn’t change you into a new person.

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    booksookie Reply:

    I wholeheartedly agree!
    Saying that the amnesiac Eric isn’t the “real” Eric is just complete nonsense and the people who say that are either lazy and haven’t done their homework or simply hypocrites.
    Amnesia pertains to memory loss, not personality! Temporary retrograde amnesia, as in E’s case, consists in a transitory loss of autobiographical episodic memory (individual, contextual knowledge) which, together with the semantic memory, is a component of the declarative (explicit) memory. Another type of memory is the procedural (implicit) memory. These subtypes have different functions and underlying mechanisms that involve different encephalic structures.
    To exemplify, procedural memory is the one that enables you to ride a bicycle (the “how”), semantic memory lets you know what a bicycle is (the general “what”) and episodic memory reminds you when was the last time you rode a bicycle, where you went riding your bicycle and why (the detailed, personal “what”).
    Eric only forgot the last part. In the books he still knew what a car was or how to drive it and we already have confirmation that in TB he knows he’s a vampire and surely he knows how a vampire functions.
    AGAIN, all this is MEMORY impairment, not PERSONALITY! Just because you’ve forgotten who was your first devoted friend, doesn’t mean you don’t have the capacity or the inclination to loyally befriend people anymore. Just because you don’t remember who taught you valor, doesn’t mean you no longer believe in valor! Just because you don’t remember whom you’ve charmed, doesn’t mean you’re not charming any longer. And the list can go on and on…
    For kicks and giggles, you might want to check out this article:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC535990/

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    Viking Dame Reply:

    Saving this post for future reference. :-)

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    Ashley Reply:

    @Booksookie
    Especially loved this part of the article:

    “Personality and identity are unaffected.” yeah, no shit. ;)

    This article is a must read for those that think amnesia changes who you really are.LOL

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    hime Reply:

    Uhm… The thought of Bill raising poor Hunter gives me the creeps.

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  • AB Negative

    Hail SVB. Great rant. Maybe you can make it a regular Monday occurance if we don’t get a new Sunday Skars.

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  • I just got to read your rant after a long day’s work and I FUCKING LOVED IT!

    I think AB intentionally drew fans to Bill in order to have them experience what Sookie was going through. Sookie was manipulated into falling in love with Bill, and so were scores of fans. Now those fans are angry and defiant – quite sad, really. They’re holding onto their delusions like a dog with a bone.

    In the pilot, Tara is reading The Shock Doctrine, a book which describes the parallels between the birth of a manipulated free market created via violent destruction and shock therapy. I think this is a clue to the viewers that there’s going to be some manipulation going on. The choice of that book was no random thing. AB wants us to follow the breadcrumbs – they’re sometimes hidden, but they’re there!

    The BL’s who insist on defending Bill after THE.BIG.REVEAL in S3E12 have proven themselves to be devoid of independent thought. They have been brainwashed by the Ballshit and their persistence in the face of Bill’s unmasking is making them look foolish. BWW = Ball’s Willful Windbags.

    For the record, I never read that shit. Amy’s post was pretty fucking funny, though. :lol:

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    rainqueen13 Reply:

    Yes, yes, The Shock Doctrine!!! It took me a while to figure out why Tara was reading that book. (She doesn’t seem to care much about economics and politics.) I think I finally figured it out from a post on the TAP site. *Smacks self in forehead* It was setting the tone: things are not as they appear, there are hidden agendas, and sometimes we have to create a “crisis” to accomplish those agendas. That was a HUGE hint from AB.

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  • Winnie

    WaitingForSunday, I think you summed it all up brilliantly. AB was smart enough not to make it too obvious. He wanted us to understand why Sookie fell so hard for Bill AND why she was originally wary of Eric. So he gives us a Epic love story with Bill-but with clues along the way for us to follow. And at the same timeSookie and the viewers slowly start to see a whole other side to the Viking. It all comes to a head with AE.

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  • So I’m late as ever, and before I get to read all the comments above I just want to say that I agree with every single word you wrote SVB.
    I’m so tired of arguing with some BLs who always throw in my face the supposed heroic deeds Bill did. I guess from now onward I’ll simply redirect them to this post, it will be easier. :)

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  • Skarlove

    Awesome post, SVB…..I can’t stand going to BL sites, so I had no clue that such willful delusion still existed in the realm. I’m not sure where the comedy ends and the pity should begin, quite honestly. Thanks for keeping things real, as always! :)

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    SVB Reply:

    People are entitled to their opinions, they’re entitled to like who they like.

    What they AREN’T entitled to do is form an opinion at the outset based on first impressions, and then refuse to acknowledge any facts that come to light from that point forward, and continue to tell me the earth is flat…when I KNOW now that it’s fucking round.

    Well, they’re entitled to do it I guess…but I’m not going to listen to it.

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    Skarlove Reply:

    Funny that you choose the word “entitled”……to me one of Bill’s major faults is his sense of entitlement. He might try to disguise it with bloody tears and pitiful statements of self-loathing. But he’s a taker, no doubt about it. And it’s ALL THERE. We’ve seen it so many times now, from the Chicago couple in Hard-Hearted Hannah to Mrs. Smallwood……not even mentioning his manipulations of main characters! LOL!

    People will always see what they want to see, I suppose – no matter how tarnished Bill’s armor is, or if it’s held together merely by the glue of their own fantasy.

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    Reginabee Reply:

    Someone dear to me likes to say, “You’re entitled to your opinion. I’m entitled to think you’re a moron.”

    ;-)

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  • oh SVB, i adore your rants so very much <3

    and you've given me an idea for a new Bill cartoon, too! the llama soulmate picture is only the beginning, mwahaha

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  • Vickie

    It always amuses me when I read how Bill is a tortured soul, or a white knight. Because nothing says hero like watching a young woman be beaten half to death. They can claim that Bill has saved Sookie over and over, but the truth is, he placed her in danger so he could play the hero.

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  • MollyS

    Great rant, SVB. Thanks for putting into words what all of us know to be true.

    Someone above made a list of the times Bill hasn’t saved Sookie to show that he is not her white knight. For comparison purposes, we should make a list of the things that HAVE happened to her since she became involved with Bill.

    -her grandmother was killed
    -her cat was killed
    -she was beat up by Rene, whom she killed
    -she was attacked by Longshadow
    -she was attacked by a maenad
    -she was attacked by Steve Newlin, held hostage, and almost raped
    -she argued with Lorena and would have been hurt w/o Godric’s intervention (and Eric was right behind him. Where was Billy? Oh, that’s right, not helping)
    -she was almost blown up
    -she and Laf were held at gunpoint by Tara’s mom
    -she was forced to be a bridesmaid for MaryAnn and had to deal with the whole meat tree/crazy orgy thing
    -she had to help half-naked people out of her yard and clean up her trashed house
    -she was stalked by werewolves and had to clean her wet rug after Eric killed the guy and she helped bury him
    -she had to leave her home and work AGAIN to try and rescue Bill
    -she was captured and held hostage by RE
    -she killed Lorena for Bill
    -she was drained, visited doucheland, etc., etc.
    -she fought with Debbie
    -she had to clean up another dead werewolf in her front room
    -she had her blood taken against her will again by RE and Eric
    -she had to babysit chained up RE and listen to his bribery attempts

    Rather than discuss Bill vs. Eric, maybe the BLs should take a look at Sookie’s life. It’s easy to see that since he came around, Bill has caused more trouble, pain, and heartache than Sookie deserves. How could the argument be made that he is heroic when the story’s protagonist has undergone such upheaval?

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  • Heyxjude

    “The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody had decided not to see.” – Ayn Rand

    THANK YOU FOR SEEING!!!!!!!!!
    p.s love your rants they just about make my life complete!
    <3333

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  • Dee

    You know people are gonna like who they like and that can’t be changed. Problem is that BL’s scrutinized every little thing Eric did and didn’t allow for any flaws from a character. So now things said just sound hypocritical. I think we wouldn’t get as frustrated as we do if we didn’t hear for so long now how horrible Eric is and how perfect Bill is. Many mentioned the bullet sucking scene in above comments and that is a great example of this. He was made out to be the most horrible person in the world for doing that. Now most of us either found it funny or did admit that yeah maybe not the greatest thing he did. We had no problem saying this and admitting that Eric is not perfect, like ALL characters. He has made mistakes and he is just who he is, love him or hate him, he makes no excuses and puts up no fronts. What you see is what you get. So my problem now is that BL’s said how horrible Eric is for the whole bullet sucking incident and for just that alone, how can Sookie ever be with a man who would do such a thing. But sitting back and watching Sookie get beat up in order to get your blood into her is ok? They shouldn’t have made Bill out to be such the hero and put him up on such a high pedestal. Making it sound like you can only love a character if they are perfect in every way and Sookie can only be with such a man.

    I remember discussing this with BL’s and saying that maybe every action of Eric’s shouldn’t be put down in such a way because we have no idea what will be revealed about Bill and what if his reveal is worse than what Eric has done or even let’s say if it was on the same level. If those things were inexcusable then how are Bill’s excusable now? You can’t turn around now after saying EL’s are rabid fans who make excuses for anything.

    We at least admit to the flaws, we don’t have to go back on our views. Eric is still the same person since the very beginning, the person we liked from day one is the same person now. Only difference is that as time goes on he will only get better. He will get more in touch with his humanity, his feelings for Sookie will get stronger and we will see him do more for her. With his character there is progress(which was the point of making him a bit more bad than the books) and with Bill we’ve seen him regress(which was the point of showing him even better than the book in the beginning) I can’t wait until Eric’s feelings for Sookie grow deeper.

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    hime Reply:

    I think we wouldn’t get as frustrated as we do if we didn’t hear for so long now how horrible Eric is and how perfect Bill is.
    ITA. I cannot even try to have a dialogue with some BLs because all they say is just hypocritical. They say they love Bill’s dark side. Oh, yeah, guess what, now they love a flawed character! good news… too bad that until s3 they were throwing shit on Eric because of minor things like the bullet-sucking, chaining Lafayette, and doing nothing while Sookie was attacked by LongShadow. Honestly, why Eric should have cared for Sookie at that point is beyond my reason.
    To Eric, at least until 2×09, Sookie was simply a cocky, annoying human waitress with a special gift (because let’s face it, that’s how she acted in Eric’s presence). While he was maybe getting fond of her already, he never led her to believe she was anything but a tool. Sookie knew this; she accepted this; she knew how to handle this. Bill OTOH showed up as the knight in shining armor from the very beginning, he deluded her into believing she could have found the perfect man. How can people not understand this basic difference, I can’t figure.

    Someone even said that poor Bill had no choice but go along with Sookie’s delusions of the perfect gentleman to not disappoint her, because you know, it was all her fault to have mistaken Bill for what he was not… And poor thing got trapped into all his lies only to keep Sookie happy and satisfied…

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    Ashley Reply:

    Exactly Hime. I don’t get it. All their argument of why Eric is this and that fall flat to me. Plus, Eric wasn’t IN A RELATIONSHIP with Sookie or even pursuing one, ulike Bill, when he did the things he did. That makes it that much worse. And Eric is not a liar.

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    karola Reply:

    “Someone even said that poor Bill had no choice but go along with Sookie’s delusions of the perfect gentleman to not disappoint her, because you know, it was all her fault to have mistaken Bill for what he was not… And poor thing got trapped into all his lies only to keep Sookie happy and satisfied…”

    That only makes his motives more suspicious. If he felt that she will only be with him if he presented himself as the southern gentelman that he was not, than why bother? Normally when people find someone atractive but then it turns out that their personalities or visions of a relationship don’t match, they move on so they can find someone that will fit them. You don’t change your personality to fit someone’s desires. Unless ofcourse you have a mission to “procure” that person for your boss and you’re just doing your job.

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    Margaux Reply:

    Yes, Eric lying to Sookie about the bullet sucking was not his best moment but he has never used it against her. He hasn’t gotten anything from the blood bond besides feeling her emotions. He doesn’t use it to control her unlike some people that have completely used his blood bond against her.

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  • sheldon

    Great Rant SVB, just fab :) – I sneaked a peak at Sookieverse at work and saw this post and was so antsy all day because I couldn’t comment.

    I agree with all thats been said here in terms of the weak arguments (and more disturbing) the excuses that have been made on behalf of Bills behaviour by BL’s.

    My personal favourite is – Eric would have done the same thing as Bill (being put in a position of ‘procuring’ our telepthic barmaid. I have often asked myself would I have felt disgusted/furious if Eric had done the things that Bill did and I have to say yes I would….BUT, here’s the thing, Eric would never have gone about the procurement of Sookie in the way Bill has. His strategy and approach are nothing like Bill’s. He is honest in his manipulation and an incredibly savvy businessmen – he would have found a way to a)convince the queen that Sookie would work better in partnership (or as a consultant) within her Queendom thus avoiding what would have essentially been the kidnapping and detainment of Sookie and b) convinced sookie that it was in her best interests to listen to the queens proposal, so that she had some bargaining power and built in protection, over the situation.

    So no, sorry BL’s, but Eric would never have lied and manipulated the way that Bill did – he’s smarter and classier than that.

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    Chair in my head Reply:

    Great rant SVB – I agree wholeheartedly!
    Aside from any Bill vs Eric debates, the one thing that consistently makes me angry about Billusionals is their attitude towards Sookie. It is not uncommon to see them call her all the names under the sun just for not blindly accepting Bill’s “love.”
    I find that their complete unwillingness to allow Sookie her own choice in who she has a relationship with is in my opinion disgusting. This kind of attitude coming from anyone, especially a woman, is extremely frustrating, astounding and disheartening (even if it is towards a fictional character). I often wonder how they would feel if they were told in their own lives who they should be with and how they should feel about them.

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    Kathy Reply:

    That “If Eric had done the same thing…” excuse. If Eric had done the same thing Bill did, he would be the “Bill” character, not the “Eric” character, just with the other’s name, so that point is moot. Am I right?

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  • Love your words. Sometimes the insanity in the world keep you a little sain. AB once said this show was popcorn for smart people, so I’m thinking about getting shares in a popcorn company and sit around for more dramas and insanity unfold during s4. I’m sure BL will have more ammunition for their delusions.

    Totally agree with everyone’s posts. The biggest issue I have with BL is their constant confusing of Beel/SM. SM is a great actor and has created his character to perfectly encaputale the role AB has expanded on from CH. BUT I will never like Beel because all that he has done. SM may adopt a million puppies but I still wont like Beel.

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  • fans

    By finding this site there is some time(weather) I was happy I found that he(it) was different from the others and there oh bewilderment I falls again into the endless war between the fans of Bill and Eric. Openly(frankly) Alan Ball in said he even as bill was sincere in his feelings to sookie, it thus is not to be discussed it is a fact that it pleases or not. Bill as Eric are interesting he give a sense(direction) to the history(story) and make her(it) different from books(pounds) so much the better. Then each the opinion and not the punishment(effort) to be also categorical. Each in him(it) straight ahead to think of what he wants. I for example I love Bill and I love Eric. Let us let each love his character and see him(it) as he wishes it simply. Saddened for the translation if she(it) does not correspond perfectly. I do not speak English I thus took a translator

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    Ashley Reply:

    We AREN’T debating whether or not Bill really loves Sookie. You missed the whole point of the blog post Im afraid.

    What we ARE debating is whether or not his actions PROVE anything about his love, and what they really mean.

    We have a right, knowing what we know now, to question his past actions because of the new information. We ARE supposed to. We aren’t supposed to think Bill’s ONLY motivation for everything he did was because he loved Sookie. That is CLEARLY not the case.

    Noone here said Bill doesn’t love Sookie. And just because AB said that Bill does love Sookie, does not invalidate everything we said here. AB saying tha DOESNT translate into Bill being right for Sookie, or that Bill’s love for Sookie is healthy. We are not the ones taking his statements too seriously and expanding on them ourselves.

    Bill loving Sookie does not mean he belongs with her, is right for her, is good for her, or DESERVES her after all he put her through. Which is what we were trying to say, NOT that Bill doesn’t love Sookie.

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    KCScout Reply:

    IMO, Bill may love Sookie but Sookie can’t possibly love Bill because Sookie doesn’t *know* Bill and if she did I’m not sure she could. What do you suppose her reaction would be if she knew about Chicago? Would she blame Lorena? I don’t think so.

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    Ashley Reply:

    Sorry, but one more thing. We have a right to not like Bill. You like Bill and that’s fine, but we also have the right to not like him. And we have many reasons for doing so, and SVB states flat out that this is a pro Eric place.

    And it is very frustrating to see the Eric hate all over and the willful ignorance exhibited by certain Bill fans, which is what lead to this blog post.

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    Janofarc Reply:

    I don’t see this post as being about Bill fans vs Eric fans. It’s the willful blindness of Bill’s fans that is the subject matter.

    Sure, people can like who they like, but it’s plain stupid to ignore and twist visual and aural evidence. This is probably a bad analogy but say you’re on a jury and the accused seems like a great guy. You like him, you don’t think he’s done anything wrong. When the evidence against him is presented do you find him not guilty because you stick to your first impression despite all the damning facts you’ve learned? No, you don’t. You look at the facts and re-evaluate your view of the person before you.

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    Freyja Reply:

    I like that analogy Janofarc!

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    Ashley Reply:

    Good analogy.

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    Amy Reply:

    Here are the facts. Both Bill and Eric are flawed characters. They both made mistakes and will make mistakes in the future, especially since this is Alan Ball. Most Eric fans seem to accept this. I will enjoy season 4, I will love the comedy of Amnesiac Eric and the angst, I will enjoy the pretty of Eric and Sookie together and then I really do not have a problem with Eric going his own awesome badass ways and Sookie going hers.

    I think the way it stands, Sookie and Eric do not deserve each other. and I am ok with that. I love Eric and I will admit I hated that he chained Sookie in the dungeon. When Sookie asked him to get out at the end of season 3 I agreed with her.

    The problem with Bill fans is that they see NO fault AT ALL, with Bill. There is an excuse for everything he does. and when we point out Bill’s mistakes, they immediately point to Eric. Eric is not Sookie’s lover, he did not propose to her, the comparison is unfair.

    They keep saying Bill loves Sookie, while Eric only uses her. Should Bill not be held to a higher standard in that case, with respect to Sookie?

    Maybe Bill does love Sookie, but we can be sure next season that Sookie is not going to love Bill. We sat through 3 seasons of the Bill and Sookie show, and now the BL’s are so bitter at the fact that we will get one season of Eric and Sookie. And the fact is that we had to sit through 3 seasons of Bill fans telling us how evil Eric was, and frankly it is a bit cathartic to regale them with Bill’s nasty deeds.

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    Ashley Reply:

    When you say that the way it stands, they don’t deserve each other, is it because you think they have a lot of growing and development to experience? Because if that’s the case I agree with you. And Season 4 will help that along and change everything dramatically, and get them headed in the right direction.

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    Amy Reply:

    Exactly. Where they are right now in the show, they don’t deserve each other. Like Anna said at the Paleyfest, Eric has been disarmingly helpful to Sookie several times, and vice versa. But at the same time, they have also used each other. But Eric is not where he was when he began the show and I believed him when he said that he was sorry to see Sookie suffer. They both care about each other. If Alan Ball follows the spirit of the books, then yes, I expect BOTH characters to grow and develop and maybe change and actually start to love each other. Right now, they don’t. And that is the fun of the whole thing. To see how they get there. And I am along for the ride :)

    And after today I have decide not to go to these pro bill sites. I agree with you, it’s not worth it.

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  • fans

    I am sorry that my comment do not have you more. However I have never said that I guaranteed for the behavior of Bill, even if at first it was in mission and empty of any feelings. And I have never said that I was one fan of Bill either. I just defended(forbade) my opinion. Maintaining to know if its acts are excusable or not the continuation(suite) will say to it to us. They remain full of questions to resolve on him as on Eric. Nobody is quite black or quite white. It would be too easy. It was just a calling card nothing more.

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  • ericstruelav

    I have a confession to make…
    before finding this precious blog s i read the books but was completely oblivious to bills evil ways. I knew he had been sent to procure sookie and all that but somehow i didnt hate him the way i hate him now. I just wanna say thank you SVB, Maspencer, Serena and everyone else who opened my ignorant eyes and introduced me to the loathing for Bill i now feel. one more thing, I AM A MUCH FUCKING HAPPIER WOMAN NOW THANKS TO YAL!!!!!

    P.S i always loved and was infatuated with Eric though. :D

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  • jennifermarguerite

    F**K YEAH! SVB, F**K YEAH!

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  • wahoozit

    Both characters have immense dark sides but not in the same areas of their psyche.

    So the fan followings are just expressing what areas they would be most comfortable with those negative attributes covering. Each seeing some of the others traits as more reprehensible than the ones they have chosen to be comfortable with.

    Yes all the characters in TB have grey areas and I personally believe Sookies moment of introducing Jar O’Talbot to the drains was a streak of Fae ruthlessness creeping in and nothing to do with either Bills or Erics influence.

    However a big obstacle to getting to know and like Bill Compton is the fact that he lies even to himself. I hope we do get to see more of his true nature and less of the lies he has built around himself.

    I don’t think the character we see emerge at the end of that journey will be much like the one we saw at the start.
    Just like the Eric we see at the end will have dramatically altered from the one we were introduced to.

    It will be interesting to see how that journey goes.

    I can admit I prefer the character of Eric to Bill and am under no illusions that he is a knight in shining armour or that after season 4 will be an easy journey either as far as his involvement with Sookie is concerned. Do I think he should end up with Sookie by show finale? Well that would depend on where AB takes the characters ;) .

    Does Bill love Sookie? Perhaps as much as he is capeable of given that he seems to loathe everything about himself but its not a healthy love its destructive and its not a healthy relationship for either of them more like an obsession on both parts. That is if we have not had the wool pulled further over our eyes and the whole persona was a total act and only further seasons will tell us this no matter how much we speculate.

    I have seen speculation from other sites as to the reasons for the whole finale to Bills and Sookies relationship and it does make me wonder if we were all watching to same show. The problem there seems to be some have failed to follow the characters progression through the seasons and just see Bill as the persona we were introduced to in season 1.

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    Ashley Reply:

    I agree wahoozit. Well said. With Eric there is so much growth potential, and I can’t wait to see it, and with Sookie as well.

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    hiddeneloise Reply:

    Very well said, wahoozit.

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    legalease Reply:

    ITA as well, wahoozit. What a great way to describe both Bill’s and Eric’s present and potential for future development.

    I don’t have much more to add to SVB’s awesome rant and all the excellent comments except F*CK YEAH!

    Sorry, my mind is still blown that they had the audacity to compare Eric fans to the Tea Partiers. I mean, SRSLY???

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  • Revamped

    BRAVO!! What she said!

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  • Lynyrd

    I agree with those who have said that whatever love Sookie/Bill have is not healthy. I would also like to share my own mini-rant, because if I don’t get rid of it I may end up cutting a bitch,and no one wants that.

    I HATE it when Bill fans (or the occasional Eric fan) bash Sookie in order to lift up their hero. “She kicked him out without an explanation,” or “she should have stayed at Jason’s like Bill told her to,” are billshit… er… bullshit excuses. Now I am not show Sookie’s biggest fan at this point, though I do have high hopes for S4 after the Sookie we saw at the end of S3, but she has every right to be pissed off at both vampires. Just because Bill was knocked off his pedestal into the depths of TV hell, doesn’t mean that his fans should try to blame Sookie. SHE is the one who has been injured in this mess, and if she doesn’t want to hear more of Bill’s lies the she shouldn’t have to.

    End rant.

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    Winnie Reply:

    Seriously Lynryd. At this point, Sookie developing a “No More Vampire Weirdness…EVER!!” policy would be entirely understandable and arguably a good survival mechanism given the fey blood. (Sadly for her, I think just avoiding the fang is no longer an option if it ever was for her.) So yeah, I could see Sookie after returning to Bon Temps making a point of staying far away from Bill, Eric, Pam, etc. on the sensible grounds that she doesn’t want to have any more involvement in Vamp politics. Which is one reason I’m excited about AE. A. If it plays out like in the books, while Sookie won’t be eager to get into a feud between fangs and cauldrons she won’t be able to leave Eric helpless on the side of the road and I think that’s a very realistic way to see her getting involved with Eric and Pam again. Not them forcing her or Sookie being fool enough to head back to Fangtasia but just Sookie showing some concern for someone’s who’s helped her in the past. B. AE as opposed to RE has no knowledge of vamp politics much less an agenda. We know in the books that Sookie’s biggest problem with Eric is all the politics and there’s plenty of evidence that’s her problem with him on the show. She knows he won’t *hurt* her but she also knows Eric’s usually playing a game of some sort and she doesn’t care to participate. Plus it makes her sceptical of where Eric’s interest in her is coming from. Is it about bagging a trophy telepath? Her intoxicating fairy blood? Or just annoying Bill? For what it’s worth I’m damn sure that none of these explanations, (that Bill girls throw out for Eric’s interest in Sookie,) account for it but it will feel better when watching AE going into mad lust/love for our favorite waitress PROVES it to everyone especially Sookie herself.

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    Ashley Reply:

    I think it’s pretty obvious that Erics feelings go beyond the fairy blood or telpathy to even the casual audience, maybe not to Sookie, but the audience for sure. Yes, he’s struggling with them, and totally confused Sookie and sent mixed signals, but his resolve in not handing her to RE or refusing to hide at her house, protecting her, and his reaction to their kiss (no fangs!) prove to me he has genuine feelings for Sookie. He’s just not acknowledging them yet, to her and to himself. Same goes for Sookie, but she’s understandably confused by Eric and his mixed signals. Even my brother, a very casual viewer, was like “It’s obvious Eric cares about Sookie, she has to see the bigger picture.”

    This is also why I am looking forward to Season 4. To hopefully show some people that those feelings are very real, and not because of the blood or telepathy.

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    Ashley Reply:

    And yes the vamp politics is a big part of it…so yeah, Im looking forward to Eric with no vamp politics. :)

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    legalease Reply:

    I love your rant and ITA about hating the attitude towards Sookie. I’ve even read a “discussion” between BLs regarding whether or not Sookie is a slut if she moves on from Bill and sleeps with someone else in Season 4. I’m pretty sure they won’t be calling Blessed Bill a slut if he fucks Portia next season. I’m sure he’ll be justified in the way mean ol’ slutty Sookie betrayed him. Just like his cheating by raping Lorena was justified and excused, if not outright ignored. I’m not surprised by the hypocrisy because it’s some of the same fans who think Book Sookie is a whore for failing to take a vow of permanent celibacy once she broke up with Bill.

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    Ashley Reply:

    Not even up for discussion IMO. Bill screwed Lorean while they were together…and yes, it was his choice, because he was released and that’ how he chose to channel his anger and desire to cause her pain. So Sookie can do whatever she wants. Plus “slut” is an ugly word to me that really is just used to degrade women, so them calling her that is beyond repulsive IMHO.

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    Winnie Reply:

    Thank you guys. The double standard really bugs me as well. I actually have ZERO problem with people, (men AND women) who sleep around a lot provided it’s all consenting adults with no one being hurt, lied to, or cheated on. But one any of those rules are broken I got more than a little mad like say having twisted hate sex with your ex-girlfriend while your current girlfriend is sick with worry trying to find you. And realistically given that Bill was Sookie’s first and ONLY sexual partner it’s probably a good idea for her to meet some other guys and uh…experiment a bit. Not to mention if the time warp happens it will have been a year Bon Temps time since she’s been with anyone. Perfectly natural a redblooded Southern gal would want some company on those lonely balmy nights. Yeah, while it might be obvious to even casual viewers that Eric has real feelings for Sookie, (which he Eric is totally thrown by,) there are a surprising number of Bill fanatics who insist it’s just the blood or Bill rivalry on his part. Sookie being under the influence of all that Bill blood, (which she is only JUST starting to recover from with Dream Eric telling her “You know you can’t trust Bill-that’s not my blood talking. That’s your own survival instinct.”) is confused on one level and on another she certainly finds Eric’s ruthless side repulsive. The Lafayette situation was espcially ugly. I know perhaps Eric as Sheriff was obligated in a sense but it didn’t make it any easier to watch. That scene on the porch was so great because we basically had Sookie admitting that Eric’s attractive and is capable of generosity and selflessness but that his viciousness and talents for manipulation always pop up too and frankly it makes it a little hard for her to know where she’s at with him. Plus now that’s she’s found one vampire admirer really *did* start courting her because of her special blood Sookie can’t help but be wary of all other vampire gentleman callers in the future…unless of course the vamp somehow couldn’t be expected to know or *remember* how delectable Sookie’s blood is.

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  • hann23

    Glad you ranted! I have to say that I don’t even look at pages where this stuff is occuring anymore. I come here!

    It’s always amazed me how people can only view a piece of art one way. Why can’t there be two? or three? or four? Sometimes, I believe that the artist really doesn’t have one intention for their work. In the case of writers, I’ve read that it’s often the characters that take them along.

    What I really don’t understand, is how they can even believe that Bill and Sookie woild be forever in Season 4. That’s so redundant and boring that soap operas don’t even do it.

    It’s good to get the steam off and I am glad you shared.

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  • leanan sidhe

    Preach it Sister!!!!Amen!!

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  • cssyya

    reading all this comments all i can say is: thank god we know the truth, thank god we know the facts, and hopefully some day the rest of the beel’s lovers will see it too

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  • Dwimordene

    Wow… The picture you have picked is quite revealing too in all this shit. Ok, we know almost all episodes along are… But really, seeing it frozen and in black and white makes it so simple to understand. I wonder, after seeing something like that how “loyalties” wouldn’t change.

    Not only Bill gives us his back, but his face is CONCEALED IN THE LIGHT, lol. Eric, at the same time, is open to us and, although his face is in the shadows we clearly see it. (That as an example… There is sooo much more in the image…)

    Remember when last year (yea, it’s long since I came here…needed a break, lol) I said (I don’t remember if here or at sunny or at TAP) that s4 poster was so similar to the last dinner of Leonardo? And of course… Seeing it at the “new bar” in the wall or the beer arrengement was also telling. Ok, going back to the matter.

    It just reminded me to how AB uses a very similar way to comunicate his ideas to Leonardo’s (and other genius, like Velazquez or Michelangello). AB with a film, the others with paintings… It’s not about something as stupid as hiding numbers or letters, which child can do… It is about giving messages to our subconsciencious and other more specific that must be studied by geometry, light, color and proportion.

    I find that AB is comparing himself to Leonardo. Its being long since he died, he has been studied a lot since and still there is people (like Dan Brown)that make absolutelly stupid and silly theories that take the geniallity out of those master works. So I’m sorry to tell you, there will always be people that will see whatever they want out of the series, because it is a more atractive solution to them, and it is an easier one. As it is easier thinking the Last Supper is about Magdalena and not a complex teatrise about art, science, maths, music, his ideas and so on…

    Sorry about my English.

    I’m anxious to see if he can exceed his ownself :D

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