3.03 Post Mortem

Alcide’s story seems to be taking a turn from the books – what did you think of Joe Manganiello in the role?

And WHAT did you think of Bill and Lorena’s twisty rape sex?

Share your thoughts on episode three with us!

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229 comments to 3.03 Post Mortem

  • VikingLover

    Yes, that scene was rape! I don’t care which way you cut it! HOW DARE HE DO THAT!!! He said I will never when she wants to make love and then he jumps on top of her like an animal!!! I was shocked!

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  • rubysmom03

    From next weeks trailer it looks like they might follow the bit with Eric coming to the club to help Sookie! I’m excited for that. Oops I mean TWO weeks from now trailer. Damn Fourth of July, getting in the way of True Blood! How am I ever gonna make it two weeks!

    Ok, I am revealing my lesbo side, but Pam and Yvetta were hot! Was I the only one to think that? Much hotter than Eric doing his super vamp hump with her. I love Pam…

    Not as much as Eric, I’m just sayin…

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    Enjoying Reply:

    I don’t know if it the club ,may be his bar .

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    Tracey Reply:

    There’s a lot of comments here and I don’t have time to read every single one right now. But I’m responding to the few I did read. I disagree it was rape because Lorena can overpower Bill at any time. That kind of aggression is her “thing”. Plus Lorena is supposed to be a twisted women so its not out of her characters zone. When Bill pinned her against the wall her body language was saying “fuck me”. Had Bill stabbed her with a sliver blade she would have still loved it. In the flash backs in season 2 their sex scene went much different. The head twisting was defiantly weird. I would expect that to kill any vampire so I think the readers are pushing the abilities of what vampires can with stand. However, had Lorena felt threatened she would have done something dramatic. I think she wanted him to feel like he had control quickly because he doesn’t compare in speed not to mention strength. However, I liked that she starched him because it didn’t make her look like a helpless victim and she looked very much like she was enjoying herself (not in any kind of pain). As for the Pam scene, I absolutely loved it! I would have liked to see more detail. Bill and sookie sex scene season 2 ep 1 was very graphic. Compare to that Pam’s scene was pathetic and left everything to the imagination. Pam look soooo YUMMY! I read somewhere Sookie will be playing bisexual in this season which I’m excited for. I would love to her Sookie and Pam together. I find that unlikely but it could be a possibly.

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    TeeMarie Reply:

    i especially loved how they cut right from that scene to the half eaten pie in the next scene. made me laugh outloud.

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    Seán Reply:

    I’m obviously not revealing my lebsbo side but I agree. Pam looked seriously hot in that episode and normally I don’t think Pam is all that hot!

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  • jayetea

    Yeah, for me that was a rape scene and it was really disturbing. Yes, TB writers I get that Bill completely hates Lorena, so much so, that he doesn’t want to look her in the face while f*cking/raping her. Her part in it disturbed me just as much, though, with her saying make love to me as her head is twisted around!!! I also really oddly thought of an old Meryl Streep/Goldie Hawn comedy where their bodies did really odd things, like their necks stretched really long, etc. (not during rape, er sorry sex scenes, though.) I really think they could have conveyed Bill’s hatred effectively without him twisting her head around like that. I mean that effect almost took me out of the show in a way, but it was such an obvious CGI move. I say FAIL on that part AB and writers. ALso, isn’t Lorena physically stronger than Bill, I mean we saw that in Dallas, so we are supposed to believe she wants to be f*cked by him so badly that she lays there and allows him to twist her neck around and sayd “make love to me” while he is doing it? WTF? Would Sookie ever let him touch her again anywhere on her body if she witnessed that?

    I will have to comment on the rest of the episode later. I need to rewatch as I was continually interrupted, but man, I’m really sort of shocked by the last scene even though I knew it was coming.

    I will say that SM is an amazing actor. Mariana Klaveno too. My brain hurts.

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    VikingLover Reply:

    Oh yes, it’s definitely conceivable that Lorena would allow it because they have a dysfunctional relationship. Unfortunately there are many women in real life that would put up with that. I’m glad they showed it because it shows the extend of Bill’s lack of control and anger. There was no reason for him to do that to her.

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    Ashley Reply:

    Yeah that scene was truly disturbing. It was so much worse than i thought it would be. Bills portrayed sympathetically at first, but that sex scene just totally counteracted any sympathy i had for him. He’s released from Lorena, yet has sex with her in the most violent way possible. I almost had to look away. I know Lorenas messed up, but there is no excuse for Bills actions sorry.

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  • dsm

    I found myself fascinated by the Lorena and Bill back story. Up until this point, they’d painted Lorena as 100% evil – the worst possible maker one could have. I’ve no doubt that she is terribly damaged, perhaps even insane, but it also seemed to show that in certain ways she tried to be a good maker to Bill and in her own twisted way she does love him. This further illustrates, I think, how AB is really painting in more shades of grey than black and white. And the ambiguous sex/rape scene between Lorena and Bill takes that even a step further. That scene was so twisted I think it will be a few days until I can fully even process it. But I think it was meant to be exactly what it was – unsettling. It calls into question everything we thought we knew about Bill and also his relationship with Lorena (which clearly he isn’t as emotionally finished with as he’s claimed).

    So far this season, we are being forced to question everything we thought we knew about the characters. We thought we knew Lorena but now we aren’t quite as sure. We thought we knew Bill and now we aren’t quite as sure. We thought we knew Eric and now we aren’t quite as sure. We thought we knew Lafayette and now we aren’t quite so sure …

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    pennydreadful Reply:

    dsm- Like many others, I’m blown away by your insights into the disturbing scene that we saw tonight. While we’ve seen Lorena do evil, despicable, unspeakable things…my heart actually broke for her. How deranged and pathologically obsessed with Bill must she be to consider what they did to be “making love”?

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    Robin Reply:

    Agreed, a very insightful post dsm.

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    KPMRSE Reply:

    On the decision Russell forced on Bill – turn her or else – I was a little thrown that Bill WOULDN’T jump on this idea. It would seem to give him exactly what he wanted, to be with Sookie happily ever after AND he wouldn’t need to take responsiblity for his actions because Russell MADE him do it. Unless, he doesn’t really want eternity with Sookie, or that making her a vampire would make them equals…

    Like others, I was blown away by Lorena tonight. My heart broke for her in the rape scene with Bill. To be that desperate for someone to consider that brutality Love, is incredibly sad. Plus, she’s now where shocked by it, which makes me think this isn’t the first time this type of scene has happened.

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    Charlotte Reply:

    I think the reason Bill wouldn’t ever turn Sookie is because he is obsessed with humanity. I think we saw both sides to Bill Compton last night. With Caroline and Sookie and his sad excuse for ‘mainstreaming’ we see the Bill Compton who is completely obsessed with humanity. He never wanted to be a vampire and he never came to terms with it. He is trying to hold onto his humanity as strongly as he can whether that means going back to his wife and children like nothing changed, or falling in love with a human waitress. (I also think he loves that Sookie ISN’T your typical human because he feels like is a linking of both of is worlds.) Conversely, because he’s a vampire he can do the things he wouldn’t have done in his human life and I think he enjoys that, which makes him want to clutch his humanity all the more. Bill to me is a very interesting character. He is far from my favourite and truthfully I really don’t like him but he really is so interesting haha.

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    caratstick Reply:

    While the special effects were a bit cheezy and reminiscent of “Death Becomes Her” (that’s the name of the movie with Streep and Hawn), I thought the scene itself was strongly written. Viewers are forced to confront some very unpleasant truths about Bill, just as Bill is forced to confront these things in himself. That last scene, as he screams so tortuously at what he has done–at what he is–was very strong. I think, because Bill believes that by nature he is evil, that when he lashes out, he takes it to extremes, trying to prove (to himself, to others, to us) that he is soulless, a damned thing. He is so obviously filled with self-loathing.

    I’m making no excuses here. That was disturbing and disgusting on so many levels. I’m saying I felt the scene (and the acting) was strong and impactful and served a definite purpose. As Lorena said, “There’s no excuse for domestic violence.”

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  • greenelemons

    Joe sucked.

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    Ashley Reply:

    I agree i was very underwhelmed by his character so far. That may change but not impressed as of this episode.

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    ellemoe Reply:

    I was shocked by quite a few things. I don’t think I need to mention the scene between Bill and Lorena because I’m still reeling over that (ugh…) but the strength of a were on V is more than that of a 1,000 year old vamp? Still can’t get over that. Franklin and Tara’s tryst was… I’m not sure about him at this point. He seems to be after info but he always wants to be seen as an okay guy. Guess that’s part of his strategy to get people to open up to him. I liked Joe but I hate that he pronounced Alcide’s name wrong. The ‘d’ is silent. That really bugged me for some reason. Arlene lying to Terry was expected but his reaction to the news was not. Now she can’t go back on it without hurting him.

    I did feel bad for Lorena but she really deluded to think she can be with Bill after he tried to burn her alive. Did she forget about that so soon? Their relationship is beyond dysfunctional and it scares me. She’s put too much into wanting Bill to return her love and devotion and she thinks having Sookie out of the picture will change that. She’s mental and needs help.

    I was disappointed with Mr. Hobbs. I wanted Hobbs from the book but, whatever. I’m guessing Debbie will be introduced soon and that I’m looking forward to.

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    VikingLover Reply:

    {but the strength of a were on V is more than that of a 1,000 year old vamp?}

    It’s not more than a 1000 year old Vamp, Eric was still able to overpower him but Eric was injured from the bullet. Plus Were’s are also supernatural beings.

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  • A Northern Soul

    Yeah, that scene shocked me too. And the head in the bag? EEEWWWW. We’re getting to see what FM is really all about.

    I’m still a bit shaken by the Bill/Lorena scene. Everyone knows how fucked up their realationship is, but the “twisted sex” is one of the darkest, most disturbing things I’ve seen on the show. His hatred and violence was explosive, yet she was passive and didn’t fight. I’ve never liked her, but I felt so sad for her tonight. It’s obvious she loves him desperately and deeply, even when he’s mistreating her. She’ll take him any way she can, even like that. It’s very, very sad. I think Lorena is going to emerge as a much grayer, somewhat sympathetic character, and her death won’t be gratifying like it was in the books.

    I agree about SM and MK, *amazing* actors! Scenes like that can’t be easy, but they acted out the range of emotions superbly.

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  • VikingLover

    DSM, I couldn’t agree more! Well said!! :)

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  • Jo

    I have not seen yet, but just have to say

    Bill = drama queen

    he is by far the most melodramatic persoangem I have seen on TV

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    Jo Reply:

    sorry, I meant “more melodramatic character of tv”

    I really need to go to sleep.

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  • A Northern Soul

    Excellent analysis, DSM!

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  • Serena

    I think that’s a new shot of Sookie doing shots up there. I heart Black Wig Sookie.

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  • VikingLover

    I actually liked Alcide very much. And of course I loved that Eric called him in to protect Sookie. :)

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    dsm Reply:

    Yep, agree with 100% on that VL. In general, I loved loved loved the way that they grew the relationship between Eric and Sookie in this episode. The way she asked “you’ll know if I’m in danger right?” just made me melt. Also the way he confessed to her that a were on vampire blood is hard to handle “even for me.” These sorts of expressions of vulnerability are the kind of things we only share with friends – people we feel we can trust. A big big step for these two IMO

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    Freyja Reply:

    Yes I loved that he’s showing her that he cares and trusts her by saying such vaulnerable things about himself. And he basically told her that he thought she was intelligent when he said that if she was concidering saving a vamp in daylight then he had overestimated her intelligence :) But she of course did that in Club Dead, that was the only way to save Bill.

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    Robin Reply:

    And, when she asked him if he would know if she was in danger, he shakes his head yes in a very quiet way, acknowledging to Sookie that he can feel her emotions.

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    Ashley Reply:

    Yeah i liked that Eric called Alcide without telling her just to make sure she was protected that was really sweet.

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  • Paloma

    WOW.

    Definitely going to need a few days to process this, but WOW. I didn’t think I’d ever feel sorry for Lorena, but I do. You must really hate yourself or be that far gone in your infatuation and desperation to think that what Bill did to her was in any way shape or form in the ballpark of love. Insane. I guess AB didn’t want to go as far and having Bill rape Sookie, but he still made him a rapist after all.

    Caught a couple things and wanted to ask if you saw it too….

    RE pointed his finger at Bill’s head and then that night Bill had those dreams (first time I’ve ever seen a vampire dream, but I could have missed something). Just wondering what that was all about…if anything.

    Did anyone see Bill’s face as Caroline was telling him that her soul was safe (don’t know the exact words)? It looked like he was a bout to rip her throat out until Lorena called him back. Did it look like that to anyone else?

    Last comment….not impressed by Joe. Even in the show he is a douche…why did he leave Sookie all alone?

    And…loving the Sookie/Eric theme music. Didn’t catch it last week, but I caught it tonight and its great!!!

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    Enjoying Reply:

    Bill has dream befor ,in season 1 when he dream of Sookie bening killed

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    Gigi Reply:

    Which is very lame because vampires are dead and not asleep during their daily rest…

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    sookieverseblog Reply:

    I KNOW! WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?

    I went off my rocker.

    Vampires are dead. They do not dream. My god, in the books Sookie had to forcibly and repeatedly kick Eric’s ass, slap his face, and scream full throttle in his ear to wake him during the day. And after doing all the same to Pam, she STILL couldn’t wake her up.

    Yet, here’s Bill – DEAD VAMPIRE YA’LL – all tucked up under his blankies in his nice warm bed, having dreams?

    NO. NO NO NO.

    And this is not even about the books, it’s about the fact that in ANY vampire mythology, vampires are dead during the day (oh except those ones that sparkle in sunlight but they aren’t really vampires).

    I’m having such a friggin’ fit at this.

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    Robin Reply:

    I SO enjoy reading your rants SVB! I can only imagine what its like when you are watching the show, especially if there is wine involved!

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  • VikingLover

    {Did anyone see Bill’s face as Caroline was telling him that her soul was safe (don’t know the exact words)? It looked like he was a bout to rip her throat out until Lorena called him back. Did it look like that to anyone else?}

    Oh yes!! Lorena saved Caroline’s life! Bill was going to kill her.

    {And…loving the Sookie/Eric theme music. Didn’t catch it last week, but I caught it tonight and its great!!!}

    Me too! I get very giddy whenever it comes on now because then I know they’re going to have a moment. lol :)

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    sookieverseblog Reply:

    I haven’t seen this yet but I have to know – is it really CLEAR that he is going to kill her?

    Or is it, once again, just vaguely implied and can be taken one of a million ways?

    I’m getting really, REALLY tired of this bullshit.

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    dsm Reply:

    Well, nothing short of him lunging at her neck would be clear enough for the Bill lovers out there IMO. As with everything AB does, I think there is unfortunately room for self-delusion.

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    VikingLover Reply:

    No, it’s clear because Lorena tells him something like “Stop right there Bill” or something to that effect. He then backs away from her. The “funny” thing about it is that he could have just chosen to glamour her and yet his first thought to her cries/pleas/fear/sorrow/grief was to kill her.

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    VikingLover Reply:

    It was Lorena who glamoured her and helped Bill glamour her. Lorena showed extraordinary restraint and mercy for Caroline.

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    dsm Reply:

    I still think the Bill fans will claim that it is not certain that he was going to kill her. I don’t agree with them but I rarely do right?

    I think this scene in particular shows Lorena being what a Maker should be. She steps in when her child is about to make a terrible mistake and helps them to do the right thing. She is firm yet caring with Bill. She is gentle with Caroline. Bill is caring emotional scars now related to his human family. I can only imagine what those scars would be like if that scene had played out without Lorena stepping in …

    I find myself having a great deal more sympathy for TB Lorena at this point than I ever had for book Lorena. I am starting to get the feeling that I’ll feel much more conflicted about her death on the show than I ever felt about her death in the books.

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    Ashley Reply:

    They can claim that all they want, but why else would he get angry looking like that and bare his fangs? He was going to attack her. If they say anything else then they are just lying to themselves. Ive seen BLs already saying the Lorena scene was rape, and this is the BLs we’re talking about.

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    Gigi Reply:

    @SVB [Or is it, once again, just vaguely implied and can be taken one of a million ways?]

    IMO, it can be taken one of a million ways…

    Caroline begged him to kill her because she couldn’t endure the pain she was feeling for loosing their son and seeing him like that after she thought he was alive and that he returned to her. And yes, he has the thought to kill her because he also was in pain and couldn’t endure neither her suffering nor her painful beg to do it, and also because he was afraid thinking that Lorena wanted to kill her. I don’t know, but where some of you saw viciousness in his face, I only watched a deep pain. But Lorena had compassion for both of them and ordered him not to do it, and to glamour her in order to make her to forget that he was there that night.

    So, officially AB has disclosed Bill as domestic abuser (like Lorena foreshadowed in Godric’s house), because he sexually abused her (with her consent, therefore it couldn’t be defined as rape). But because Bill is his beloved lead character, also attached to him a PTSD label (as a way to justify his behavior -as if it could be justified…) in his attempt to keep him as the victim of the cirmstances. MEH!

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    caratstick Reply:

    I agree completely with Gigi about the Bill/Caroline interaction. It was not viciousness or anything like that on his face. I think he thought it would be merciful. Frankly, I’m not even sure he would have done it, in the end.

    I disagree with one thing, though. I don’t think AB gives him an excuse because “Bill is his beloved lead character.” I think it’s because AB never wants there to be clear black and whites. People are complex and complicated and we can hate them and feel sorry for them–love them and see their failings–all at the same time. I can feel sorry for Bill’s suffering and self-hatred, I can understand his motivations, even while I loathe his whining and self-pity and abusive behaviors.

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    Gigi Reply:

    Cara, you’re right that AB is always remaining ambigous about the characters and he doesn’t make them black and white per se to allow the people to relate to their feelings. But I used the word “justification” and not the word “excuse”, because actually, once he made the connection of Bill’s past with a trauma with the way Lorena separated him from his family and his humanity, AB made him a victim of the circumstances and has created a PTSD, a trauma “as a reason to explain” his behavior in the present. Moreso, when he show him in the present as a vampire who hasn’t had a choice over his own life. Because when Lorena recommended him with Russell, both, Lorena and Russell left him with no control over his own life and no choice, but to accept Russell’s offer to protect Sookie. And that leads again to point Lorena the be the one to blame once more for his actions -not allowing the character to take the full responsability for his own actions. Because Bill is still a victim of the circumstances, what isn’t an excuse for his behavior, but is still the reason to explain it…

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    caratstick Reply:

    I understood what you meant…and I don’t disagree that AB has set up Bill with a “justification.” I just don’t think it’s necessarily because “Bill is his beloved lead character.” I just think AB tends to do this with a lot of characters. He shows us the guy in the white hat…and then he shows us maybe it’s not-so-white, and he shows us why. I like that. I like knowing why. For some things, the why makes a difference in how I see their actions. It provides a context, if not an excuse or justification. He’s done it with Lafayette, among others. Lafayette is still a drug dealer, but it colors my view of his behavior to know about Ruby Jean and the costs of her care.

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    Gigi Reply:

    I would believe Bill isn’t the beloved lead character of AB the day I see they invest the same time and effort to create also a reasonable explanation for the Torture Dungeon. And -beyond that SA is Eric’s Queen and he wants to keep his job- to explain why Eric has to sell V and bring his car to Laffayette as a gift to motivate him to sell V, and the way he is trying to seduce him to stay at the business with money and a better house and life…

    THIS is actually a character assasination. No matter how much people like Laffayete and Eric interactions.

    And BTW, a not so smart move from Eric, because if Lafayette were caught by the Magister’s people selling V, the car will lead directly to Eric…

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    Ashley Reply:

    He was going to kill her. She asked him to kill her and he got vicious looking and bared his fangs. either he was going to kill her or attack her.

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    Robin Reply:

    Caroline asked Bill to take her life, probably out of fear, and it appeared he was going to do it. Lorena to Bill to make her forget. I was under the impression they glamoured her and did not kill her.

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  • VikingLover

    Oh DSM, I soooo agree with you 100%! Okay, I’m going to start fangirling now…I just loved that whole E/S scene so freaking much!!! I’ve already watched it like 10 times. :) I loved when he’s explaining to her the art of disposing of bodies “fresh graves are ideal for disposing of unwanted bodies”. LOL

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  • By the way, I am LOL’ing so hard at the Domestic Violence Help Service that Google adsense has deemed appropriate for this post.

    You guys are probably seeing something else but it’s giving me a chuckle.

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    VikingLover Reply:

    LOL!!! I guess that says it all right there! Google thinks it’s domestic violence too!

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  • Ashley

    Is it just me or did Bill ask Russell to kill Eric? Or is that what were supposed to think? (from the preview for next episode)

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    VikingLover Reply:

    Yes, it seems that he did! There is a thread set up in the forum for the next ep because otherwise we’ll go off topic here. :)

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    Enjoying Reply:

    Ashley
    Look’s like they are talking about killing Eric.Know Bill would try that .
    Ck out another blog and the Bill lover’s are not saying a word about Lorena and Bill rape .They are just talking about how Bill is protecting Sookie .
    I love Eric and I kept wishing that Bill ture colors will come out .

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    Ashley Reply:

    LOL Oh please! Is Bills cheating and basically rape of Lorena really going to be excused just because people dont like her? wow, i didnt think it would go that far. I understand Bill swearing fealty to Russell to protect Sookie, but how is fucking Lorena in the most twisted way possible protecting Sookie?

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    Mony Reply:

    you know what i hear when BL’s talk? bla bla bla bla
    LOL

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    Ashley
    I just wrote on there blog about it beening rape and not sex or making love .LOL Will have hit put on my head for that

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  • Paloma

    I think it was Bill who mentioned killing Eric to RE. I’m saying that b/c RE seemed hesitant for a moment saying that there would be consequences if a vampire where to kill another vampire. Wasn’t Bill’s response something to the effect of “not if they don’t find the body”?

    That Bill…he only hates Lorena b/c they are one and the same. He hates her almost as much as he hates himself and the horror that he is capable of. When he tries to kill or violate Lorena it’s like he is trying to kill or eradicate the parts of himself that he hates the most. But it’s impossible. You can’t cut out part of your soul and psyche. I think as much as you try to change the more you stay the same. Your fiber is still the same.

    Loved the E/S scene although Sookie once again pissed me off with her casual dismissal of Eric not being able to understand why she would want to go after Bill. I can’t wait for Eric to diss her b/c IMO, she deseves to be shot down by the Viking God!

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    Robin Reply:

    [Sookie once again pissed me off with her casual dismissal of Eric not being able to understand why she would want to go after Bill.]

    And, Eric did acknowledge that he understood why she would want to do that. I am just not sure she caught that, though.

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    Paloma Reply:

    I thought she caught it. Didn’t she look at him for a brief second or two? Oh well, I guess I’m just going to force myself to rewatch that scene for the 49th time ;-)

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    Ashley
    You will this they talk about getting soft .I check them out but I don”t write any thing but tonight I got up set when they were calling the rape ,banging ,sex and making love .

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  • Gigi

    Yes, Bill rape Lorena because of hate (and there goes down the drain the trunk rape scene). But she’s so sick for him and for pain that she was enjoying it. And it was sad for me to see how she actually has the power to turn him into an cornered animal and bring out the worst of him, no matter how hard he try to deny that part of his nature. That’s why he had the nervous breakdown… Anyway, I agree with Paloma about the dreams of Bill after Russell pointed his finger in betwwen his eyes… and BTW, neither him nor Lorena killed Caroline. On the contrary, Lorena asked him to glamour her in order to keep her from suffering after she saw him as a vampire. I guess this was the redeeming good deed that Klaveno mention at one of her interviews. But I really don’t care about them, I even would pay them a honeymoon in the artic to enjoy the days of night…

    I really don’t understand what the show is doing with the concepts of the vampire blood and the V. And I’m saying it because the were at Sookie’s house called V the blood of Eric. So, it seems that at the show V isn’t only the storaged blood that is for sale as a drug, but also the vampire blood that could be drink right from a vampire… (?!?!)

    I also find kind of erratic Sookie’s behavior. First, she runs after a werewolf into the woods (like is she were Wonder Woman with the golden lasso of truth…) because that were was her only link to know where is Bill. And then, when Eric is at her house protecting her, she try to shoot the were? For what??? Because I can’t believe she’s so great with guns that she aim and shot him only with the purpose to hurt him… LOL. Then again, she regreted that Eric killed him because they couldn’t interrogate him more? :roll: And her behavior at Lou Pines was sooo lame… GAHHH!!! WTF was that??? I thought that when Alcide and she, on entering the bar, took separated ways to investigate and not to arouse suspicion, she would begin to try to hear the thoughts of others, not that she would begin to flirt with the gang members. OMG… Didn’t she heard what Eric and Alcide already told her about how dangerous are those weres? Sorry, but that was lame and very stupid of her part.

    And about Eric bringing the car to Laffayette as a gift to motivate him to sell V, and the way he is trying to seduce him to stay at the business with money and a better house and life… I’ll try to forget what I saw. But I know I will not.

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    Ashley Reply:

    I personally dont care if Lorena cornered him he didnt have to screw her, especially in the most sadistic way possible. That scene did not make him sympathetic to me at all, whereas the other scenes did. The Lorena bill sex was just brutal.

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    Gigi Reply:

    Well, you personally don’t care Ashley, but for me is sad to see the level of patological sickness that their relationship has because not only because he raped her, but because she was enjoying it, too. And it’s sad precisely because this isn’t far at all of the reality of a lot of sick couples in real life… because believe it or not, I have seen worst cases than theirs in my professional life.

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    Gigi Reply:

    ***That their relationship has not only because…

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    Ashley Reply:

    Yes there relationship is sick and twisted and i cant stand Lorena and think its sad that she is so obsessed that she let him hurt her, but i dont see that as an excuse for what Bill did thats all.

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    Ashley Reply:

    And yes Lorena said “i still love you” bill even as he was twisting her head around…it reminded me of battered women who go back to the men that abuse them. Lorena was egging Bill on before the sex, but hes the one who threw her on the bed and started screwing her. It was sad, but i cant feel sorry for Bill in that scene specifically because of the way he chose to outlet his rage and anger at Lorena.

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    Gigi Reply:

    You are right Ashley, and I don’t feel sad for Bill. I feel sad for both of them. Because both are sick.

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    Ashley Reply:

    Its the classic “he/she made me do it ” abusive scenario and relationship. I agree they are very sick.

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    Mony Reply:

    I’m with you in this…i don’t feel sorry for Bill…maybe for LOrena becouse he was abusing of her and she said I Love You, maka elove to me…and he uses violence…so i feel sorry for her…but certainly not for Bill.

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    Gigi Reply:

    Even when his behavior doesn’t has an excuse, I do feel sad for both of them and their sick relationship, because as I said before, it actually shows the daily exchange of a lot of sick couples in real life. And it’s sad for me because only when you has worked with people sick to this extent, you can understand how fucked up is the society in which we are living in today.

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    Enjoying Reply:

    Gigi
    Sookie in the were bar is just asking for touble.WTF ??

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    Gigi Reply:

    Well actually I don’t understand Sookie’s irrational behavior. Because the first thing that Eric said to her was that he knew she was human and will be screaming “Werewolf Bait” once she left Fangtasia, and she said she wasn’t that stupid… But she couldn’t wait to tell the same day to the first two persons she saw after talking to Eric: Jason and Terry… :roll: After that she ran after the were into the woods, for WHAT??? And at Lou Pines, she didn’t only forgot that Eric and Alcide told her how dangerous are the member of the werewolf gang, but she began to flirt with them, and actually she was stupid enough to say where she was from and to follow the werewolf like a moron into the other room away from Alcide :roll: . Therefore, my only explanation for her behavior is to think she’s dumb…

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    Robin Reply:

    Yes, Eric would be disappointed with her.

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    Enjoying Reply:

    Who is doing the writing for Sookie part ? Cause you can sure tell it is Nothing like the Sookie from the books .This Sookie part is so bad I got were I like ever one but her

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    LKC Reply:

    Also the first thing Sookie says to Alcide is she is a werewolf on vampire blood. So yes Sookie IS that stupid!

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    Hime Reply:

    I figured she mentioned Fangtasia to make the Weres think about vampires and therefore about Bill, if they saw it. And it worked. She could have handled the situation better, though… She should have been more patient and subtle, and try to read the Weres’minds silently in the first place.

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    Hime Reply:

    +++him+++

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    Ashley Reply:

    I think they are writing her as very naive at this point, hopefully she’ll wise up.

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    anna Reply:

    Gigi, RE seems to have pointed straight at B’s “third eye” which, according to some traditions, brings about dreams of psychological significance and B did have some powerful dreams that day.

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    Gigi Reply:

    Your right Anna, he pointed his finger in the middle of the forehead between his eyes, that is know as the third eye. So it seems that’s one of the magic powers that RE has, because he was a druid priest before he was turned into a vampire. As they were worshippers of the sun, that’s why I think RE stays awake until the sun rises and therefore, he have the “bleeds”. It was foreshadowed by Talbot’s fit for the “celtic” rug damaged by the vampire torch (Lorena).

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    anna Reply:

    I wonder what other powers Russell will have?
    Talbot did seem extremely upset about the damage to the celtic cloth though I thought it was a tapestry not a rug and then Russell tried to shrug it off by implying Talbot was an interior decoration freak.

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    Gigi Reply:

    Talbot behaves exactly as Nathan Lane in “The Birdcage”… he even make the same sounds HHHHHHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA!!!!

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    anna Reply:

    Its a long time since I’ve seen the film but I’ll look out for that bit when it comes round again.

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    anna Reply:

    Gigi, the tapestry was definitely celtic, or Welsh to be exact, as it was a present from Owain Glyndwr.

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    Eric is hot Reply:

    I love the E/S parts of the episodes. Eric and Sookie’s relationship is going in the right direction. I think Laffy will be Eric’s Bobby B from the books. Bill dil rape her and it was said that she confused it with love. Talbot is great. I also agree that Franklin is creepy sexy. Even though Tara works my nerves. A/B may love Bill but at least he is starting to show his true colors.

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  • midnightblack07

    oh my, that Bill/Lorena sex (although I like many others feel that the word “rape” is more appropriate) is going to take a few days to sink in. To say that I found it insettling would be an understatement, but I think that was the point: the show the viewers just how twisted the relationship between these two characters are, the extend of Bill’s hate for Lorena, the extent of her desperation and longing for him EVEN at her own expense… very, very sad indeed :(

    On a much lighter note: LOVED Sookie/Eric AGAIN!! Oh, and I caught their theme music right away this time, yay!! :D

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  • allabouteric

    Very dark. Very very dark stuff today.
    Bill/Lorena – masochistic dysfunction exemplified. He hates her with every fiber of his being and yet she is perversely and ineluctably a part of him. Oh the sadistic self-flagellation, the violation, the head wringing, the blood, the begging and that guttural howl afterward! That was some intense shit.
    This was Bill getting sucked into that one-way vortex, kicking, flailing, screaming and getting a depraved rush out of it all the while. This was no hero. This was no villain either. This scene just plumbed the depths of the twisted minds of mentally ill people world over – pedophiles, rapists, sadists etc – You can never fully escape your destiny. You can run, but you can never hide.

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  • talktrueblood

    That episode took a lot out of me then I had a BL next to me saying that didn’t make Bill look bad…WTF?!

    1. I was def not impressed with Alcide…it is the first episode though…
    2. Sookie was being stupid at Lou Pines…she must be obsessed with Bill to pull something like that.
    It was just so dumb though after ALL the warnings that Eric gave her.
    3. Speaking of Eric…nice flirting once again…SHE SAID “you saved my life” and “Thank you”…
    YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS, FINALLY! Obvious trust and attraction established!
    4. I WAS IRRITATED by the sympathetic Bill moments!
    5. I was relieved that the sex with lorena or rape as it probably was…was enough to make me vomit… since that should make people just as sick of Bill…even though I expected it I am haunted by the violence of it…
    I wonder if I hadn’t expected it…how bad it would be…
    But he had sex or raped her with his free will…so no maker excuses now..he straight up cheated and not only did he cheat…he was violent bill…all behind sookie’s back…for shame
    YET, many BLs are looking past that and solely on how sad it was that his son died…

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  • Dee

    Well BL’s can call the B/L scene anything they want and if they want to ignore that big fact well they can’t ignore that Bill cheated on Sookie. I have seen some ask if it was cheating lol they throw the excuse that Bill is protecting her. I didn’t know sex with Lorena can protect Sookie in any way so I’m interested to see what most have to say about this since I’m sure it will be talked about a lot this week.

    Adored the E/S scenes, even when he yells out “Stay back Sookie” he quickly is concerned about her even though he was just shot and has a were on top of him. He showed his vulnerability too when he said it brought back bad memories, I felt sad for him when he said that. He was open with Sookie and then you also get Eric being flirty with her which was great and at the end we also see his feelings for Sookie again. The best part is that next time we see a scene with the two of them it will be in Alcide’s apartment, we’ve all been waiting for this one too bad we have to wait 2 weeks. There is one thing I noticed in the episode 4 promo, they show the part we’ve all seen with Eric coming through the window and saying “turns out he wasn’t the man I was looking for” then they showed right after a clip of them two kissing but it’s very different than how we’ve seen it so far. He is not grabbing her hair and it’s a much softer kiss and the lighting is VERY different. I think that one might be the real thing and the other a dream.

    I just love FM, just the way he carries himself and he has a bit of a sense of humor lol. Poor Jessica, she doesn’t know anything about being a vamp, she didn’t even know that vamps can just walk into another vamps home without being invited.

    Bill better not be trying to get Eric killed, I hope they just edited it that way to trick us but I’m not so sure that is true. One way or another he is going to screw Eric over.

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    allabouteric Reply:

    @Dee…
    Yeah now that you mention the differences in the E/S scenes I do think that its possible that one might be a dream…yep…the lighting is different…but isnt Eric in that same black wife beater in both the scenes…? but then he always is…
    God…I dont want another dream scene…but it might be too early in the series for a full-on passionate kiss…so we shall see..

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    Enjoying Reply:

    black wife beater?????

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  • liv

    James Frain as FM kicks Alcide’s butt x1000
    That man has presence. I think he could’ve made a much better Bill too. Nice addition to the cast. I’m not feeling Joe yet.

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    sookieverseblog Reply:

    He has AMAZING presence. I just find him mesmerising.

    He would have played a good Bill, actually.

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  • Olio

    My understanding of the whole scene was that one cannot ignore a command from their maker, and as Lorena is Bill’s maker and commanded him to make love to her, he was physically compelled to do so no matter how little he wanted to.

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    sookieverseblog Reply:

    Uh-uh.

    Lorena released Bill in season 2 in the Chicago flashbacks.

    A beautiful departure from the books, which now makes TB Bill 100% responsible for his actions, where book Bill was not. Lorena can no longer command TB Bill to do anything.

    At the time, Lorena releasing Bill didn’t impress me – “that didn’t happen in the books”.

    Now, I’m coming around :)

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    Mony Reply:

    yes that’s why this scen almost make vomit!!!One becuse it IS, IT WAS AND FOREVAH WILL BE, an abuse, rape…whicj seriously it’s giving me hard time to write right now!
    Second becouse Bill was released decades ago….so all he’s done with Lorena was his responsabilities…..Dis rape is a new way to see at “protecting Sookie”???Becouse i may missed that day where insanity is become a common rules in Bl’s mind!!
    Btw…..*breathe Monica breathe*

    I loved this episode!I adore Talbot, i think i love him just a little less than Eric but the scene with the ancient and precious rug made me love him even more!!!LOL
    Franklin Mott is really really interesting….i loved every scenes with him, even when he is with Tara and that mean he’s really a good character!!!
    Denis O’Hare is a brillant actor, the way he portrays this Russel is sooo good that i could be sad if i’d found out he want to kill Eric or even try to kill him!
    Lafayette and Eric were GREAT!!!!Oh God Eric is something that should be illegal…my hormens made several happy dance!!! I like that he left his car to Lafayette and i loved so much his expression when he talked about Lafa’s house LOL Priceless!
    Loved sooo much E/S moments….i love that they are building up a relationship which is a frindship now…he really trust her and value her so much…and God when he said he made her rug all wet and smiled to her…*faint*
    They’re getting deep in their emotions…falling for each others…they just don’t realize it yet..as in the books!!!
    and that rug dirty with blood….it’ll be something that AE would like to discuss in S4 LOL

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    linn Reply:

    in ditf did’nt eric’s maker release him but he told sookie he would have to have sex with him if he commanded him to do so

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    sookieverseblog Reply:

    The concept of a vampire being “released” by the maker doesn’t exist in the books. Vampires are able to leave their makers side – as both Bill and Eric did – but they must return when called, and they are still subject to their command.

    Release in TB seems to involve the maker relinquishing command over their progeny. So not only is Bill free to leave Lorena, but she can no longer call him back to her or force him to do anything. In the books, the physical distance can be there but the maker always has control. The only way to break that is final death.

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    Katee Reply:

    Yeah Bill was released. If Lorena still had control over Bill, he would still be chained to her side.

    Are BLs trying to gloss over this horrific rape scene as a command from Lorena the Maker?

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    Mony Reply:

    Some ignore the scene as if it never happened…aome think he was punished her for everything she did to him….that’s the worst part in all of the comment, at least for me…

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    AShley Reply:

    They are either all together ignoring the scene, or else saying “poor Bill” WTF??? A totally abusive act is being excused . How is having sex with her punishing her may i ask? LOL

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    Olio Reply:

    I guess I didn’t pick up on the being released thing as an actual change in their relationship. And I’m certainly not a BL, I’m for Eric all the way. Thanks for helping me understand what actually happened.

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    Ashley Reply:

    Being released means she no longer has the power to command/force him to do things.

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    Ashley Reply:

    UH, that might apply if Lorena hadnt released Bill. And not only that, but Lorena DID NOT command him to have sex with her. Bill was on top of her. Bill threw her on the bed, bit her, and then he started the sex.

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    Olio Reply:

    He throws her on the bed, bites her, she says, “Make love to me” and then terrible things occur. But I get the whole released thing… I guess I just kinda tuned out Bill’s flashbacks season 2.

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  • VikingLover

    Am I the only one who finds FM creepy as hell?? I don’t think he’s sexy at all. I do like the character itself though.

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    sookieverseblog Reply:

    Ha ha hubby and I were just discussing this.

    I’m sorry, VL. I find him HOT AS HELL and I cannot even begin to explain to you why.

    So intense! I am just riveted every time he’s on screen.

    LOVE HIM.

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    georginaelizabeth Reply:

    Ditto SVB! I thought he was really really good, I couldn’t wait to see what funny thing came out of his mouth next!

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    VikingLover Reply:

    Guys, I seriously could NOT watch the Tara/FM sex scene. That disturbed me more than the Bill/Lorena scene! I even had to mute my TV so that I wouldn’t have to listen to it.

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    nskars Reply:

    Haha, VL, I must be sick because I was actually mesmerized by that sex scene. Tee hee.

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    KPMRSE Reply:

    Watching him, I can feel how Tara is glamoured by him. In some scenes, he makes my skin crawl, in others he’s just burns sexy hotness.

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    Freyja Reply:

    I think he’s very sexy in strange way. I didn’t like the sex scene though! But his voice, his presence and his look is just glamouring.

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    Paloma Reply:

    HATED that sex scene. Didn’t care for the eye rolling and nonsense. I do find him sexy though and that accent is to die for!

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    allabouteric Reply:

    haha..VL you and I are of the same mind. Dude has that X factor…but sexy? nah…doesnt do much for me anyway…

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    dsm Reply:

    I find him irresistibly creepy if that makes any sense at all. If he showed up on my doorstep I’d know instantly he was trouble but I’d invite him in anyway and it wouldn’t take any glamoring. JF is playing the role perfectly IMO. He’s the really really bad guy who just fascinates you to the point of distraction and poor judgment.

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    LKC Reply:

    I find him creepy, sexy and mesmerizing, as well as humorous. His sense of humor, to me , reminds me of Book Eric. Because he is in no way involved in the love triangle I can enjoy him in all his evilness, if he is in fact evil. He might just be “VAMPIRE”

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    caratstick Reply:

    Oh, he is definitely creep as hell and terrifying. But absolutely riveting. Frain has so much screen presence. Those eyes and that voice. And those odd features that separately are not much to talk about, but together…damn. And he’s funny. I love a man (monster) with a dark sense of humor.

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    feather Reply:

    VL-
    throw my name in for the “creeped out by franklin” club…! in fact, “where the heart is” is on TV right now and i swear i screamed in horror when i saw him XD

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  • Davida

    1. FM is creepy as hell and I love it.
    2. After being promised the most “twisted” sex scene on tv ever, not only did the Bill/Lorena rape scene live up to my expectations, but the humor behind the pun was not lost on me. I guess I’m too desensitized to be affected by the violence. I appreciated the creativity behind it. Hats off to AB.
    3. Alcide was just ok. I’m expecting him to get better though.
    4. Poor Jason.
    5. Poor Sam.

    Did someone say we had to wait 2 weeks for the next episode because of July 4th? That sucks!

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    Serena Reply:

    Yup, waiting sucks more than ever, especially since the next episode looks like it could amazing with the E/S scene, sigh. we’ll have to find creative ways to spend the time.

    I didn’t find FM as creepy as I did Tara, dude girl stop making your eyes roll back into your skull! Ick! Franklin to me was really charming for A.) Not biting Tara, and B.) Refusing to not just have a one night stand with her. Also, I’m glad they showed us the absolute stupidity of the ‘I must be invited in crap’ when he glamoured her.

    I def. jumped out of my seat at the ‘twisted’ sex despite being spoiled on it, the side shot is still giving me the willies.

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    Gigi Reply:

    Actually, he said that he didn’t bite her because she asked for it. THAT! is an important detail that says a lot about his personality…

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    KPMRSE Reply:

    This reminded me of Eric in Dallas when talking in the lobby. What does he say about the thrill being gone from a willing donor…

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    Ashley Reply:

    yeah he wanted control, thats what it was all about.

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    Kristen Reply:

    AH HA! I just got the pun involved there… nice catch! God, I simultaneously love and hate Alan Ball.

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  • Robin

    At the very minimum, Bill cheated on Sookie, and it was domestic violence. Very disturbing scene.

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    Kathy Reply:

    Ah but the Bill apologists will say, Bill thinks Sookie broke up with him. Therefore, it was not cheating!!

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  • Enjoying

    Did any one else hear what Bud said about gap in his brain ??????
    Now that makes me wonder why? May -be Bill was up to his tricks with Bud.

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    sookieverseblog Reply:

    I thought he was just referring to his black-eye’d Maryann time.

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  • sarah

    The “sex scene” (I prefer the term rape) between Lorena and Bill was one of the scariest things I ever saw in television. My heart broke for Lorena who acted like the abused and dependant woman par excellence.
    You all were repulsed of her “make love to me” statement; I can understand this but to me in a very twisted unhealthy kind of way, Bill does love Lorena.
    All vampire in TB so far were shown to struggle with the vampire-humanity duality of their existence to a lesser or bigger extent. They tried to reconcile these pols. Bill on the other hand tends to ignore his “dark” vampire side and is drawn to the light and innocence represented by Sookie. By doing this he neglects a vital part of his own personality, a part that always will exist subconsciously and that will grow secretly. Because he avoids to confront himself with his own personality he doesn´t manage to maintain control when he has to deal with an extraordinaire situation (newborn Jessica visiting her parents for example).
    What has Lorena to do with this? She represents his dark and untamed desires. Sookie is what Bill wants to be. Lorena is what he is. She does not see entirely through him becauses she is blinded by the Southern gentleman thing but at least she knows his dark sides, his want of destruction and his liking of (sexual) sadism. To him Lorena is a mirror that forces him to face his true self.And because he simultaneously loaths and loves himself he also loaths and loves Lorena at the same time.The rape scene made this perfectly clear. THis whole exorcism move was not mainly about violence and pain. He loaths her (and himself!) so much that he can´t face her during the sexual act but on the other side he can´t restrain from her. I wonder what he will try to do with Sookie if she moves away from innocent and light?
    an additition: Due to his inability to face his true nature Bill does project his darkness onto Lorena whom he holds responsible for everything he lost. He says that Lorena destroyed everything valuable in this life although we saw in the previous scene that it was Lorena herself who saved Caroline and glamoured her instead of killing her.

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    only4eric Reply:

    Excellent analysis, Sarah. I was thinking along the same lines.

    I think with the rape/sex scene, AB is trying to show us that vampires are not people — that no matter how much they put on nice manners and try to act human, their essence is dark, violent and dramatically different from us.

    That said, I think the story arc is building around irony and change: the irony that Bill moons around lamenting his lost humanity, trying to regain it by attaching himself to Sookie like some kind of mollusc, yet ultimately being unable to deny (and yes, even enjoying) his vicious vampire nature. At the same time, Eric, who has always been enthusiastic about being a vampire and outspoken in his belief that humans are inferior, is ironically the one who is now developing his humanity.

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    allabouteric Reply:

    Oh yeah spot-on. The irony of how Bill and Eric’s “true” natures are unfolding is hard to miss!!

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    Enjoying Reply:

    That was Bill dream that Lorena save Caroline .Back in season one Bill dream Sookie was getting strangled and she wasn’t .It a illusion ,just like in Jason dream he was taking a test and when he walked up to Bud he had no pant’s on.Didn’t happen .

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  • Dan

    Yes. It was weird. I took one element from the show. In the flashback, Bill’s wife say she sent “Caroline” to Tennessee. It made me think they did that so they stay consistent with DITF. Anyone else notice that?

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    sookieverseblog Reply:

    Didn’t she say that she sent the daughter to Tennessee? Is the daughter Sarah in TB, I can’t remember.

    There is a MAJOR fuck up with that whole scene, I’m just writing up a post now.

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  • Kristen

    Okay… do we know who Franklin Mott is working for?? His character really intrigues me (as does his accent) but I can’t figure out who would send him to get the dirt on Bill??

    Eric, possibly??

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    sookieverseblog Reply:

    Noooo! Russell.

    Russell knows that there is stuff he doesn’t know about Sophie-Anne. Stuff that Bill isn’t going to give up without a fight.

    Franklin is Russell’s paid gun.

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  • ericsbulletsucker

    Did anyone eles find it odd that when Lorena mentioned to Russell, Talbot, and Cooter that Eric Northman probably killed the werewolf and is looking after Sookie that Russell didn’t know who Eric was? Obviously Russell has investigated SA since he knows about Bill’s mission. Why wouldnt he know about the her sheriff, “the oldest and strongest vapire in her queendom”?

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    Robin Reply:

    Yes, it is odd that he did not seem to recognize who Eric was. It would imply that Eric and Russell have no knowledge of each other at this point in the show, which would mean that Eric does not know that Russell is the master of the Weres.

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    Skarlove Reply:

    Robin, I found that odd as well. If RE doesn’t know what Eric looks like, it would parallel CD in that perhaps Eric will have an easier time assisting Sookie in a mansion infiltration. But you’d think that American kings/ sheriffs (especially when they are in such close geographic proximity!) would be familiar with one another – at least by name. Perhaps Godric really prevented Eric from continuing his hunt after WWII, and it’s just been on his back burner ever since….

    I have a gazillion thoughts in my head about the rest of this episode, and some disturbing leftover images this morning re: a certain latent-rage filled RAPIST. I agree with most others that the Sookie/Eric scenes were great, and I’m so glad she finally (and sincerely) said THANK YOU. I’m over the Mickens clan and the Ma/Pa Kettle act. I’m also loving FM more by the day, and am a little scared that I won’t mind his depravity.

    I’m reserving judgement on Alcide – he was just OK. But like another poster mentioned (sorry, can’t remember who), why the hell did he let Sookie leave the room with a dangerous V-amped Were in heat? Couldn’t there have been a slightly smarter way for her to go about gleaning information? (If Eric were watching Alcide’s actions here, after he entrusted him with Sookie’s care, he’d be LIVID!)

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    Paloma Reply:

    That was me Skarlove. I know in the book they get separated, but in TB Alcide left her on purpose. And she really proved she was Jason’s sister by pulling that stupid move. Eric would have wrung her neck if he had seen her in action. That was so out of character for her though. That whole scene was poorly written.

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    KPMRSE Reply:

    I found this incredibly hard to believe. I’m calling bullshit. He knows all about 150 yr old, man with no official title in her queendom that we know about, Bill Compton, but does not know not someone that would be clearly listed on SA’s official organizational chart.

    Plus, how many 1000 year old vampires are out there? Surely at 2900 yrs, you know EVERYONE whose been around for at least a few centuries.

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    Freyja Reply:

    I think RE knows Eric. In an interview with Denis O’Hare, he said that RE had been betrayed by Bill and Eric in the past.

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    Mony Reply:

    i thought he was taling about RE being betrayed during Season 3 not in the past…but now after Russel mentioning that Bill was welcome in his house AGAIN it maight be that him and Eric know very well but under another name, at least for Eric….

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    Mony Reply:

    Maybe they know each others but with another name?Dunno….i was questioning the same thing too.

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    sookieverseblog Reply:

    Yes and that PISSED ME OFF badly.

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    sunnynala Reply:

    RE didn’t know a 1000 yr old vampire sheriff in the next state “the oldest, strongest vampire’ in SA’s queendom, yet he knew Bill as ‘THE most promising young vampire in the country’. ummm, doesn’t that sound a lot like self aggrandizement on Bill’s part?

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    Serena Reply:

    Well who is to say he doesn’t know Eric and that he is just pretending to not know him so Lorena spills more.. RE is the type to me that plays his cards close to his chest, so the less Bill or Lorena know about RE’s own research into the state of LA is probably the better…. and that does feed into Bill’s ego. RE = master politician.

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    Enjoying Reply:

    Wasn:t Bill in his Kingdom before??? But not knowing Eric he’sover 1000 years old WTF.

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    Dee Reply:

    RE also said that Lorena recommended him and we know RE knows of Bill because Bill has been in Mississippi and met RE before. The whole “most promising vampire” part I think was just a way to gas up Bill’s head and get him to come to his side, RE knows how to play his cards and that was just one of his moves.

    While that explains how RE knows about Bill, still surprised he wouldn’t know who Eric is since he is interested in marrying QSA and acquiring LA, I would think he’d know who the Sheriff’s of LA are.

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  • dsm

    Off topic post here: But is there a way to watch these thread like on the old blog – so that you get the new posts to scan the entirethread for the new stuff?

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    dsm Reply:

    Hmm, that came across in an somewhat incoherent manner eh? To rephrase the question: Is there a way to watch/subscribe to the comments so that they are delivered to your email vs having to scan the entire thread for updates each time?

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    sookieverseblog Reply:

    You can subscribe with an RSS reader with the orange RSS button in the left hand menu…I haven’t got email subscriptions set up yet.

    Working on it :)

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  • FemmeScorpio

    wow, the bill lovers are in a bad mood today

    eric never tried to pass himself off as a goody two shoes so no surprise that he killed and liked it.

    bill is crappy in the books and i’m glad they’re putting it in the show. he is violent particularly towards women.

    someone kill sookie.. stat!

    on another board, someone complained that alcide pronounced his name wrong

    well, no he didn’t even in the books, it says that the ‘d’ is pronounced; just not a hard ‘d’. but hell, that’s just nitpicking. divorce from the books people..

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    Enjoying Reply:

    Oh please the Bill lovers kept thinking Bill doing this to help Sookie .At this point with Sookie writer”s who know:s. Can we get please have the Sookie from the books

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    FemmeScorpio Reply:

    Sookie did exactly what Eric said she’d do… she might as well have walked in Lou Pines and yelled at the top of her lungs that she was werewolf bait.

    Sook: it’s what’s for dinner. Sook… the other other other other other other red meat.

    friggin idiot!

    Bill is a downright lunatic. He doesn’t respect any one in charge human or vamp. he is continually talking smack to eric and even went so far to punch him… knowing eric could rip him to shreds. the police officer, king edg, his maker. i really hope he gets his @$$ handed to him this season.

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    Dee Reply:

    There is one thing that is not clear though and we didn’t get to see. Now Alcide and Sookie walked in with a plan, as soon as they went in she said she will go do what she has to do and Alcide said he’ll wait by the bar with friends. So far all we know Alcide might’ve even suggested something like this or a plan they came up with together. She went right over knowing what to say.

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    Gigi Reply:

    Well Dee, you could be right. But I actually don’t understand the point to make a show in where 1/3 of the time you have to imagine what could have happened or making assumptions over things that happened. IMO, is annoying as hell and not brilliant at all. Unless their only purpose is to manipulate the viewers’ minds and and reveal nothing…

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    Mony Reply:

    Bl’s=Denial

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  • VikingLover

    I personally feel Raelle Tucker should write all of the episodes. :)

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    Freyja Reply:

    Yes she understands the characthers the best, especially Sookie.

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    VikingLover Reply:

    I agree, Freya. Also, her ep was really “tight”. There seemed to be some holes in this one. The first ep was good to but ep 2 was the best. Well, the E/S scene in this one was great as was the Talbot scene.

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    Freyja Reply:

    Yes Talbot was wonderful :) But I think that Raelle Tucker would never have written that scene in Lou Pines like that, it was just not Sookie. But maybe it’s suppose to show how when it comes to Bill she just screams ‘werewolf bate’ and is ‘likely to getting herself killed’!

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    VikingLover Reply:

    Freyja, you’re like me soulmate! lol! :) I agree! Then I think it will prob contrast her black wigged Sookie.

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    Paloma Reply:

    Totally agree with the both of you. Raelle Tucker’s writing is crisp and well thought out. She really captures the essence of the characters and their relationships. If only we can eliminate the Sam story line and Jason’s as well. I could do with less of the both of them and more ERIC!

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    allabouteric Reply:

    Oh I went back and looked up Raelle Tucker…this from an interview she gave last year -

    Eric/Sookie
    “I think fans forget how slowly that starts out. It takes a while for that to happen, with Sookie and Eric. It’s not an immediate thing, spread over several books. We’re getting there.” Still, while Raelle understands how eager fans are to see Eric and Sookie get together, but cautions that “there’s no guarantee to anyone that we’re gonna go that route.”

    But AB has already said that the Eric-Bill-Sookie storyline is gonna be in line with the books. Maybe not exactly, but yeah E/S is happening. The winds have changed…

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    Mony Reply:

    i remember this!!!!
    Well of course we cannot have ALL S/E as in the books….for example this episode was sooooo book 8 for them!!!!
    But we’re going there….they’ve read all the books…they know, and they know very well…..

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  • I thought Joe did an excellent job as Alcide, frankly, given limited material to play with. To me, he is Alcide to a T. It’s not Alcide’s fault Sookie is a brainless twit who thinks with her courage and not her brains (really, she’s not much different than Jason sometimes). And he made it perfectly obvious that he’s not that interested in helping her–at least not yet. I thought the mind reading scene between the two was cute–as was watching him drink tea from Gran’s little cups. I actually thought this felt more real than the immediate connection between them in the books. I mean, in the books he shows up and starts cooking breakfast. This feels a little more…true.

    Anyhow, I’m excited to see how his character develops.

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    Enjoying Reply:

    Love Alcide and Terry last night

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    Enjoying Reply:

    In the books he did not stard cooking breakfast ,Sookie ask him if he wanted breakfast she cook his not him cooking for her ,he did help clean up.

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    caratstick Reply:

    You’re right. My mistake on breakfast.

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    AShley Reply:

    In the books Sookie didnt offer, he asks Sookie to cook him breakfast, i always thought that was weird. If some guy i didnt knew walked into my house and asked for breakfast with no please, id be kinda pissed.

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    Enjoying Reply:

    In CD page 57 she ask if he wants cooffie ,he said sure then he ask if she had eggs and some sausage.If he look’s like AB …Alcide no wonder she cook for him.LOL

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    nskars Reply:

    I agree, caratstick. I think Joe did a pretty good job considering his limited material. The entire Lou Pines scene irritated me though, but that was due to the writing more than anything. And silly, silly Sookie.

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  • Jo

    If Bill was so “honored and a true Southern gentleman,” he would not have raped Lorena, however much he hated her and judged her guilty of all their problems. which is what the majority of domestic violence begins with the person playing their frustrations on others.

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  • KPMRSE

    When Yvetta is on Eric’s desk, Pam tells her to think of her Estonia, isn’t this were SA’s beloved gourmet blood treat came from, or was it Latvia?

    Plus is she getting back at Eric, working off the stress he tells Layfette she’s been under, or giving SA an earful/message through the Queen’s in Eric’s office?

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    VikingLover Reply:

    LOL Yes, I thought it was a big FU to the Queen since she supposedly bugged Eric’s office.

    By the way, can I just say that I did not feel any empathy or sympathy for Bill during the flashback. For some reason, I just couldn’t work it up. Sometimes I hate Bill and sometimes I just feel sorry for him. Honestly, I think I could tolerate him if he would just stop standing in the way of Eric and Sookie. :)

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    AShley Reply:

    I felt sympathy for him in the flashback but that all went away when i saw the Lorena sex scene, which some are still trying to say she had coming and that they feel sorry for Bill. Im getting really tired of reading that type of stuff.

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  • Lynn

    I really don’t know how Bill raped Lorena….she wanted it..so in my book that’s not rape when someone keeps saying “make love to me” and she looked it she was really enjoying it (eventhough it was disturbing with him twisting her neck and all) she didn’t even seem to hate that to much. What is sad is that she feels that she really does love him and it was his humanity that made her change him into a Vampire instead of killing him like she did others who came to her door during the civil war. Bill isn’t one of my favorite’s on the show…to me he is a liar and trying to mask truly being a vampire by “mainstreaming” when really he isn’t…he came for Sookie and then fell in love with her but their relationship is founded on lies..

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    VikingLover Reply:

    Yes but his intent was to rape her initially. It was only afterward that she started to say “oh yes, make love to me”.

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    AShley Reply:

    He would have done it whether she wanted to or not, i firmly believe that.

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  • jayetea

    @caratstick, You make a very good point here: I understood what you meant…and I don’t disagree that AB has set up Bill with a “justification.” I just don’t think it’s necessarily because “Bill is his beloved lead character.” I just think AB tends to do this with a lot of characters. He shows us the guy in the white hat…and then he shows us maybe it’s not-so-white, and he shows us why.

    I agree with alot of your comments. I guess, what frankly angers me about the use of the CGI neck twisting effect (ala “Death Becomes Her”) is that scene was so strongly written and that SM and MK are such strong actors that it was completely unnecessary. I just felt like it cheapened the scene and really the whole episode. SM as Bill is perfectly capable of conveying his desperate tortured hatred of Lorena without that stupid (and horribly disturbing) CGI effect. I mean he did that. He could have just flipped her over bodily and f*cked her from behind for real so he didn’t have to look her in the face. I mean, I just feel like they did that just for the shock value of it.

    I suppose it upset me more because I really did feel for Bill in the flashback scenes. I guess that is what the writer’s wanted. SM was just really outstanding in this episode. I loved his scenes with Russell. He did an amazing job of conveying his slow realization of the reality of his situation under Russell’s thumb. Brilliant. I absolutely loved it when Russell says to him in that chiding tone, “Fangs!”

    It seems really clear that Bill has never felt truly humbled like that in front of another vampire. He certainly never behaved that way around Eric and not with QSA either. Russell is a whole different story.

    I also really loved FM’s sarcastic popping out of his fangs when Jessica tries to scare him. I really love him. I find him very funny, extremely creepy and yes, sexy. Even though I know his is super bad news, especially for Tara.

    When did Sam meet or learn who Jessica is? Did I completely miss that from last season or something?

    This episode had a ton of good stuff in it, but I found it emotionally exhausting to watch.

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  • DutchGirl

    Finally I get to watch it !!

    FM and Tara was scary and made me cringe, but I like FM creepiness and when he pulled out that head of the bag (which you could just see was going to happen eew) and scared the shit out of Jessica, made me LOL. She was on top form tonight our Jessica ! As was FM

    They seem to be into major flashbacks already this season (well it feels like it to me)

    Eric and Sookie, when will she get her head out of arse and be a bit more grateful to the guy, Eric was superb as usual :-) I liked his little car scene with Laf.

    Sookie was mega dumb blonde when she went into the club and why have they not called it Josephine’s !!??

    Who is the father of Arlene’s baby as I get the distinct impression it aint out lovable Terry!

    B/L Wow my jaw hot the floor, why did that do that, it was rather sick..

    I have learnt today not to watch TB loudly while the door is open for the neighbours to hear… ahem..

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    Mia Reply:

    @DutchGirl – I’m voting on Rene as Arlene’s baby daddy.

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    DutchGirl Reply:

    I wonder that too, but would the time line be right ? Having said that it is AB’s world so time could mean bugger all !

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    Mia Reply:

    [I wonder that too, but would the time line be right ? Having said that it is AB’s world so time could mean bugger all !]

    In S1, Sookie read Arlene’s mind when she was worried about being late and not wanting to make Rene feel trapped by a pregnancy. S2 started about 2-3 weeks where S1 left off and followed events for about a week, so I’m thinking Rene.

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    AShley Reply:

    Its Renee unless she cheated on Renee or something.

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    Dee Reply:

    It is not Terry’s baby, it is Renee’s. They told her she is 9-10 weeks pregnant and she has only been with Terry about 10-14 days about. Season 2 took place only over a period of 10 days and she started dating Terry in S2 so it’s impossible for it to be his baby.

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    sookieverseblog Reply:

    Yep, totes Rene’s baby. Poor Arlene.

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    Gigi Reply:

    Well, actually the doctor called her baby “the critter”… So, unless it were a very VERY bad taste joke (like most of what already happened in the last episode), it could also be a foreshadow that he/she could be something else. PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT!

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    Paloma Reply:

    I say poor Terry. Can’t believe that she lied to him about the critter being his. Terry is one of my favorites.

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  • Mia

    I have to admit that I watched with the volume turned down low (long story) so I missed some of the dialog, but why did Lorena allow Bill to return to his family home? Was that explained? I got the impression she was making a point to him by permitting it.

    Also I do think Bill’s intent was rape since there was so much rage in the act. Lorena didn’t view it that way though. Did he twist her head backwards because he wasn’t getting the reaction he wanted from her? Or because he didn’t want to see her triumph because she provoked him into losing his veneer of humanity again? Or he didn’t want any intimacy with her?

    I like that they’re making Bill interesting again albeit in a twisted way; I think he needs a room next to Ruby Jean. At least I feel like psychoanalyzing him this season instead of driving a stake through him like I wanted to in S2 everytime he said “Sookeh” in that controlling tone.

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    Hime Reply:

    [I like that they’re making Bill interesting again albeit in a twisted way; I think he needs a room next to Ruby Jean. At least I feel like psychoanalyzing him this season instead of driving a stake through him like I wanted to in S2 everytime he said “Sookeh” in that controlling tone]
    Totally agreed. In S2 Bill was a 100% pain in the ass. Now he’s interesting to watch. BoringBill is so boring only when he’s with Suckeeh, it seems.

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    AShley Reply:

    Yeah because without Sookie around to anchor his humanity hes just a ticking timebomb thats what make him more interesting.

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    Enjoying Reply:

    In dream”s are not always the way that things happen . This was Bill dream so it went as Bill wanted it to go .I do not think that is that way it happen.I do not think that it was real .
    Just like Jason dream ….it was not real.

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    sunnynala Reply:

    Very much agree Enjoying.

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    Ashley Reply:

    its very possible, never thought of that before. hmmm interesting

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  • Mia

    Also I love about every costume Lorena gets to where. I did in S2 also.

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  • Katee

    I tried to talk to my boss who is a Bill fan. I started with how disturbing the Lorena rape scene was. She brushed it off with, “Well, Bill really hates her.” So I said, “I bet they won’t do the trunk scene now. There won’t be two violent sex Bill scenes in one episode. That trunk scene was brutal.” And she said, “But Bill loves Sookie!” So rape is excused when the attacker either hates or loves the victim? WTF?

    This is a really intelligent woman who I respect reduced to ridiculous fangirl justifications over Bill flipping Compton! I don’t get his allure. At all.

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    Katee Reply:

    *There won’t be two violent sex Bill scenes in one season

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  • Enjoying

    Does any one else think that Bill dream was Illusion not real .This dream is not real ,Lorena want Bill to have to watch Sookie be Kill by Russell.
    So why would she save Caroline another women Bill love. ILLUSION
    Like Jason was a Illusion ,he was not taking the test.

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    Renée Reply:

    Yes, that’s exactly how I saw it, too. In fact I wrote an entire blog post about Bill’s inability to distinguish reality and illusion in both his dreams, the discrepancies, and the OOC aspects of Dream Loreana and Dream Bill. The only thing that’s for sure is that Thomas died in 1868 and was buried in the BT cemetary, and that’s because we saw his gravestone after Eggs’s funeral.

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    Dee Reply:

    Because Lorena knows Bill would never forgive her for doing that. She changed her tone after he said he’ll kill himself before he lets her kill Caroline. Damn I hate that I forget the exact lines at times but it was something similar to that. Lorena’s emotions came simply from her love for Bill. She can do many horrible things but she knew she’d never get Bill to love her if she killed his wife. So to me it wasn’t surprising at all how she acted.

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  • Enjoying

    I think we are beening set up by AB and the writer when Bill real self is showed .I kepting about that dream and no it did not happen that way it a illusion again by Bill

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  • nskars

    I’m probably the most heartless person in here but I just feel absolutely no emotion in regards to Bill and Lorena. I can’t bring myself to feel compassion or sympathy for either of them. True, the twisted err rape scene was a little unsettling but my cold, cold heart can’t feel anything in regards to these two. Besides exasperation and impatience maybe.

    I loved the Eric scenes as usual. I replayed the E/S graveyard scene a few times because he was so much like Book Eric, I was squeeing all over the place! I am such a lost cause, I crave seeing more Eric in this show…I get too bored and frustrated with the other characters.

    I am glad that Sam is home at last. Franklin has caught my interest…I’m looking forward to seeing what his full story is. Poor Jason, I just don’t care and am quite frankly a little bored with his storyline.

    Just call me No Heart Nikki.

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    sookieverseblog Reply:

    I thought Jason was really off in this episode. All his lines were quite forced, and the fact that they were writing him to look stupid just felt really obvious (the whole “there’s two kinds of people in this world” speech to Hoyt – during which he then goes on to list THREE kinds of people)…there was alot of this.

    Alexander Woo gave us Timebomb but he also gave us the hot mess that was the S2 finale…and I think with this ep he was once again off his game.

    As far as feeling nothing for Bill and Lorena…I’m with you. SO with you. Oh I did feel something….BLATANTLY MANIPULATED. Between the sex and the dream, I wanted to fucking stake Bill myself by the end of it.

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    nskars Reply:

    I am growing weary of the obvious “Jason is stupid” stuff. The Santa line is another example. I get that they could be using him as a bit of comic relief but if that’s the only reason he has a bigger part in the show (as opposed to the books), then it’s getting old fast.

    I find it strange that Alexander Woo’s writing is so hit and miss. Timebomb was probably my favourite of S2 (along with I Will Rise Up, of course) and yet the finale made bookies and well any intelligent TB viewer want to literally scratch their eyes out of their head. A bit of continuity wouldn’t go astray.

    I’m glad I’m not the only one. Plus, I hate that Bill and his woe is me shit takes up most of these damn episodes. Just sayin’.

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    Ashley Reply:

    yeah i cant understand people defending him, saying Lorena deserved it or Lorenas a bitch. To me that says that if you hate someone, and they treat you badly, its okay to retaliate in the same, and even worse, ways. What kind of message is that?

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    Dee Reply:

    The main part for me about Bill having sex with Lorena is that he cheated on Sookie. Now I don’t even want to hear BL’s complain about a possible E/S kiss scene when she most likely does it AFTER the phone call from Bill. She at least waits until the relationship is over and they both know it. It’s funny how people went from “how can people like Eric when he has some woman tied up for 6 hours having sex with her, the poor girl” to now making excuses for Bill and some even saying “oh well I still love him even when he is bad” oh how things change. More than anything the double standard bothers me because Sookie was called a skank just because of in the trailers she possibly kisses Eric, many even were upset about porch scene because it was flirting. Saying she is horrible to act like that when she has a boyfriend. But it’s ok for the man to do that?

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    nskars Reply:

    Agreed, Dee. It’s quite obvious that BL’s live in an unhinged world of delusion and double standards, anyways.

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  • Emily

    I’m not sure if this has already been brought up and I’ve missed it or if this is a totally irrational thought, but did anyone notice that Russell tapped Bill on the head in a weird manner and told him to ’sleep on it.’ After this Bill has a dream/flashback which made him realize he can’t be with Sookie and to protect her needs to pledge his loyalty to Russell? It just seemed a bit strange, maybe Russell has access to some magic? Or am I over-speculating? Feel free to tell me I’m being an idiot!

    On a lighter note, did anyone else think Eric touching the wreath in the cemetery before he walked off was one of the sweetest things ever? I don’t know why but I though it was adorable.

    As for Bill going all Exorcist on Lorena’s head- disturbing, creepy and just bizarre. I don’t like it, but at least it makes Bill look bad.

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    Enjoying Reply:

    I do belive that Russell tapped Bill in middle of his head so he would dream. One of Russell power’s may be to have other dream .But the dream is just illusion.Just like Jason taking police exam and the paper work is is all wronge.He goes up to Bud to tell him and the whole class is looking at him with no pants on.Illusion

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    Renée Reply:

    That bust of Hermes that Bill walked past tonight links RE with the original sandman.

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    Kathy Reply:

    Oh I just thought Russell was doing the ET “Beeee Gooooood Beeeellll” thingy. LOL!

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  • feather

    i watched the episode with a group of 5 friends last night. we all loved the opening scenes with eric, of course. i thought it was pretty neat that he could go from tearing out that Were’s throat, to being perfectly calm just like that. i was asquee at eric patting the wreathe, of course. it doesn’t take much for me, haha.

    we were bothered by the Compton family tree fail (who passed down the Compton name?)

    and i was specifically bothered by the return of Bill-in-Emo-Panties… augh. i liked him a lot last week when he was being all BAMF-ish, but back to the wangsting and crying? no thanks! i have a True Blood Bingo card i made with a space labelled “bill cries/screams over his apparent loss of humanity” and i hate that i’ve had to use it already :/ pffft.

    so, out of our group we had one BL who INSISTED that the twisty scene was Bill being compelled by Lorena to do those things. she was saying that Lorena raped BILL. at first i LOLed and thought she was baiting me, but i turned out she was serious. another friend and i (bookies) explained the whole “but he was released” thing to her, and she insisted book canon was not show canon and Bill would never do that on purpose.

    it went back and forth for awhile until i gave up. so yes, some people out there really do find Bill to be the victim in all of that O.O

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    Katee Reply:

    I don’t get why people think Lorena can compel Bill to do anything. Did they skip the middle episodes of season two? She wouldn’t have had to use any kind of physical force in Dallas to keep him in the room if she could still control him. She could have simply said, “As your maker I command you to stay away from Sookie” and he would have had to do it.

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    sookieverseblog Reply:

    Exactly.

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    Dee Reply:

    That is what I don’t get either. Ok if people didn’t realize the meaning behind “I release you” don’t they remember the scenes between Bill and lorena in Dallas? If she could compel him to do anything then wouldn’t have Bill let Eric have Sookie since Lorena told him to just do that. Wouldn’t she be able to stop Bill from going to rescue Sookie. That was last season so ok let’s say people just forget, but this season gives a big clue too. Why would RE waste his time trying to charm Bill, waiting for Bill to agree if he could’ve just brought Lorena in to compel Bill to tell RE what secrets of QSA he is hiding.

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    Ashley Reply:

    You should mention to your friend that the whole “released” thing is not in the books, so saying book canon is not show canon doesnt make sense LOL. Lorena did no such thing, she cant order him. Where was the command if she compelled him? He pushed her on the bed, bit her, and then initiated the sex. Lorena didnt rape Bil because you cant rape the willing, if he was unwilling why was he the one sticking it to her? LOL Bill was not a victim in that scene. They were both sick and abusive.

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  • Team Eric

    I just watched for second time and it seems Lorena compelled Bill- she says make love to me he says never and it seems he is fighting to not do it and the scream in the end is his frustration with feeling compelled to obey his maker for sec and his true desire to kill her. Hard to say since I’m team Eric but I don’t think it was bill raping Lorena but Lorena compelling / raping Bill… Just a thought…,

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    Ashley Reply:

    She cant compel him because she released bill from her command in season two. If she had been commanding him, she would have said As your maker, i command you to make love to me, or I command you to make love to me.

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    William T. Compton Reply:

    Team Eric, on the S2 Blue Ray DVD Commentary they make it very clear that once released, a Maker cannot compel a “child” to do anything. Bill was released so Lorena can no longer control his actions.

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    VikingLover Reply:

    Ooops! That response was from me not Bill. But he agrees. :)

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  • Tracey

    I think Lorena won’t harm/torture Bill as did in the books.I think she knows Bill will never be hers again but she doesnt want him with anyone else either exspecailly a human which explains why she holds such a grude aganist Sookie. We all know she considers humans as nothing but food. The thought of losing such a desire vampire to a worthless human must blow her mind. I was suprised Bill didnt eventually kill his wife in the flash back out of angry, to comply wit her wishes, or because Lorena told him too. The one thing I like bout the show is that is shows things the books doesnt not. Obviously everything can’t be centered around Sookie (as it is in the books)or it wouldnt be interesting. However, i jus like seeing “behind the scene” if you will as far as other peoples live such as Pam and Eric. Even Laf. He character is a bit deeper in this season i think

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    talktrueblood Reply:

    I think Lorena will torture Bill again out of sadistic frustration with not being able to torture/kill Sookie as well as on orders of Russell…maybe

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  • talktrueblood

    that is a lot to fit into one episode 3×04!!!

    1.bill calls to break up with sookie
    2.alcide and sookie try to comfort eachother
    3.eric comes to visit or find out why she is sad (they make out and/or have sex in a dream or otherwise)
    4.she goes back to the club after putting on a full disguise and goes to debbie’s engagement party and something happens and she has to run.
    5. She gets into another fight and sookie powers come out!

    DANG!!

    not to mention:
    1.Franklin comes to question Tara…maybe even ties her up and bites her… and then proceeds to take her on a road trip to jackson and tell her is going to turn her and tara tries to run!
    2.Bill and lorena…possibly russell? fuck around with some stripper chick before/after he calls sookie. Bill also talks to russell about politics later on but Franklin comes in and lets russell know what bill is up to so russell decides to go after eric and sookie and Bill gets into a physical fight!
    3.Lafayette hangs with Jesus and tries to sell more v after riding around with eric.
    4.Pam gets confronted and tortured by the magister and Eric has to come to her rescue after he fucks around with sookie in a dream and/or rides around with lafayette in his car or talks to lafayette about his work for him…maybe
    5. Jason guilts andy into making him a cop and follows crystal around town…and maybe gets into a fight with the norris clan.
    6. Sam probably confronts tommy.
    7. There is a mysterious hooded figure!
    8. Talbot shows his fangs for some reason.

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

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    Enjoying Reply:

    When Tara tie up in Jackson with Franklin at Russell she sees Bill and she ask Bill to help her ,,,,,BILL saids NO…..

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  • Tracey

    Bill was having sex with Lorena in the books which resulted in the breakup of Bill and Sookie. Therefore, I think the sex scene was needed. I’m curious to see what happens next. How Lorena will react in the next episode. How Sookie will react when she finds out (it’s inevitable that she does). And how is Eric going to slowly wheel Sookie in all for himself. Will he be bolder than the books? Or wait to take Bills place? Any thoughts?
    Sookie has always been quiet ditsy in the books. I’m not surprised she’s being foolish. She almost always counted on someone to be there for her, in the woods it was Terry, in the bar it was Alcide, at her house it was Eric which she was well aware of. I think Sookie talks a good game trying to act tough. Wasn’t til the 10th book that Sookie wised up a tiny bit so i dont expect a change anytime soon. She made herself look very suspicious and sleazy at the bar. Im not at all impressed with Alcide. “I barely know her.” I didn’t like that at all. Sookie didn’t learn anything from her near rape experience in Dallas. Her pathetic scream was really stupid. What did she think was gonna happen?

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